College Diplomas/Degrees

[TridentX2]

Hello all!

I am going to make this clean, and simple, a few points to throw out there.

- LEO's in Ontario are few and far between compared to USA, I'm not sure on the numbers however, it's just been told to me a few times.

- Already accepted for Police Foundations, prior college experience (albiet 1 month)

- 190lbs, 6'1, work in a warehouse/sales fulltime so i'm semi-fit

- Sketchy past, however no criminal records / illegal drug usage. (MJ is legally permissible as long as you single bag it, do not bring it in public, and posses less then 30 Grams) have not smoked MJ/drank in the last 2 years.

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Where you are from, are most LEO's average civillians who take there COR and go threw the 1 year academy and then become a police officer? Do most have Post Sec education?

I am indefinably going to achieve my 2 year Police Foundations course (happens to be beside the OPP Headquarters) and I am wondering if that will guarantee me a spot? Does it REALLY up my chances?

What are the fitness requirements where you live? How many miles/km's in what time? How much need you curl, pull, press, etc.

Thanks in advance!

[Roger Dat]

These questions are so broad for us here in the U.S. because every department has their own standards but I will try.

Not all departments here require a college degree to apply or be accepted however it can be very difficult to get hired without one. Whether one is required or not you will be competing against people that do have one.

As far as physical standards there are big differences depending on the department. To get hired where I work its a mile and a half run in under 12:29, 29 Pushups and I think its 39 situps.

As far as your sketchy past, I'm not sure what you could have done that is considered sketchy yet legal. You may get a better sample of requirements from some of my canadian brothers here but do a search we have covered hiring standards numerous times here.

[Samuel]

Hello all!

I am going to make this clean, and simple, a few points to throw out there.

- LEO's in Ontario are few and far between compared to USA, I'm not sure on the numbers however, it's just been told to me a few times.

- Already accepted for Police Foundations, prior college experience (albiet 1 month)

- 190lbs, 6'1, work in a warehouse/sales fulltime so i'm semi-fit

- Sketchy past, however no criminal records / illegal drug usage. (MJ is legally permissible as long as you single bag it, do not bring it in public, and posses less then 30 Grams) have not smoked MJ/drank in the last 2 years.

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Where you are from, are most LEO's average civillians who take there COR and go threw the 1 year academy and then become a police officer? Do most have Post Sec education?

I am indefinably going to achieve my 2 year Police Foundations course (happens to be beside the OPP Headquarters) and I am wondering if that will guarantee me a spot? Does it REALLY up my chances?

What are the fitness requirements where you live? How many miles/km's in what time? How much need you curl, pull, press, etc.

Thanks in advance!

What Roger said - plus you really need to improve your grammar and spelling...

[dinarguy]

I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.

300 meter run - 67 seconds
Sit ups - 30 in one min
Push ups - 13
Vert Jump - 14 inches
1.5 mile run - 16:54

[jhf4083]

I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.

300 meter run - 67 seconds
Sit ups - 30 in one min
Push ups - 13
Vert Jump - 14 inches
1.5 mile run - 16:54

Why? What makes me less qualified than someone with an associates degree in say, Technical Management? I was hired without a degree, but I do have experience in a very large, very busy, high stress communications center. Two years of having to work evening shift and having to dispatch up to 80 officers on STEP radio while answering 911 and non-emergency/administrative lines is better experience in my opinion than having to pass a class in Financial Accounting or Managerial Accounting. (Which I've done.)

Ever try talking on the phone with someone and listening to the radio at the same time? Consider the following:
- You can't miss any details from either source and you have to enter all the information from both into a computer.
- The person on the phone is screaming because they just found their daughter face down in their pool; you have to calm them down, start Emergency Medical Dispatch, update the call as you go, and if you're working that area, dispatch the units.
-Meanwhile, while you're doing that, an officer gets into an altercation on a traffic stop and a fight ensues. He has no backup on scene, and it's your responsibility to make sure everyone knows where he's at and what's going on.
-You still have to enter all the details of both calls into the computer.
- The officer is now injured and backup units are now chasing the suspect on a major freeway.
-You are still walking the mother through CPR.

How do you handle that? That's just one incident on one day of work when I worked at communications.

Now, I have some college credits, and I know the value of an education. However, I will tell you right now that I was not too impressed with a lot of the college graduates who were taking the POST Exam with me. A few didn't finish in time, and a few others didn't pass.

Sometimes, events in a person's life can prevent them from getting a college education in the standard time frame, or even at all. There are people that have MOS's in the military that require a lot of education and training, but don't have a college degree. Not to mention the physical standards. Coming from a military and law enforcement family, your comments come across as a bit rude to me.

I have not graduated from college, but I am plugging away class by class. I wish I could have afforded to go straight through, but I couldn't. One of the benefits of the department I was hired at is free tuition. I fully intend to take advantage of that once I'm eligible. I passed every test thrown at me in the hiring process not once, but twice now. However, according to you, I, and several other members of this board, are not qualified to even be considered for a position in law enforcement.

Thank you for passing on your judgement. Though I consider your minimum physical qualifications to be on the low side and can easily pass them, I will now go call the department that hired me and inform them that they should not hire me because I am not qualified with my lack of degree.

Screw needing a job, supporting myself through college, starting a career, and doing something worthwhile with my life. I'm clearly not worthwhile to try and serve my community because I couldn't afford to pay for college in one big lump sum.

[Roger Dat]

I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.

300 meter run - 67 seconds
Sit ups - 30 in one min
Push ups - 13
Vert Jump - 14 inches
1.5 mile run - 16:54

I disagree. How can you say that military experience sholdnt be compared to some college? You gain many wonderful traits and experience in the service that college doesnt provide that is a benefit to law enfrorcement which is a para military organization. Seems like a rediculous statement.

[ruby0711]

I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.

300 meter run - 67 seconds
Sit ups - 30 in one min
Push ups - 13
Vert Jump - 14 inches
1.5 mile run - 16:54

Hmm...interesting.

I've known a lot of morons with 'advanced' degree's.

Trust me.

I'd rather learn in the field than from a book. Book knowledge means nothing without the life experience to back it up.

[TridentX2]

What Roger said - plus you really need to improve your grammar and spelling...

As for grammer I was trying to make this as-point-blank (such as your post) as possible.

I cannot see one spelling mistake so i'm not too sure what you are talking about

I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.

300 meter run - 67 seconds
Sit ups - 30 in one min
Push ups - 13
Vert Jump - 14 inches
1.5 mile run - 16:54

Thank-you for your input!

Oh and I completely agree with you jhf4083 as i'm sure most do, life experience is much more valuable then book "experience's" par se.

Thank-you everyone! Still seeking more information however.

[Big Sexy]

I do not plan on polluting your forum with random questions

Yeah right. :rolleyes:

[dinarguy]

Well in my area and surrounding areas, probation and parole officers must have a bachelors degree. Nothing less, and nothing can be substituted for the bachelors degree. I just think if PO's need to have a bachelors, police officers should have at least an Associates. I am simply going by this fact, because you would think a police officer SHOULD have more education than a PO. Maybe I am thinking about this in the wrong way?

And military experience is really great, but I think two years of college is even better (not better than the military experience, but in combination with) But I agree that 4 yrs of the military experience can show/teach you things that 9 yrs of college wont teach you. I have changed my mind about the military experience substituting for college, because it CAN teach you life experiences that college wont. It should be allowed.

To jhf4083...I never passed judgment in my previous post. I simply stated MY opinions, which obviously are not what is true today. I never said that "all of the officers on this board are not qualified", so read more carefully next time. Also, I apologize if you took my post as rude, but I absolutely meant nothing of the sort. Im know many officers on this board and across the US do not have any degrees, but are GREAT police officers.

[jhf4083]

To jhf4083...I never passed judgment in my previous post. I simply stated MY opinions, which obviously are not what is true today. I never said that "all of the officers on this board are not qualified", so read more carefully next time. Also, I apologize if you took my post as rude, but I absolutely meant nothing of the sort. Im know many officers on this board and across the US do not have any degrees, but are GREAT police officers.

Originally Posted by dinarguy
I believe ALL LEOs should have *at least* an associates degree. I think nothing less should be allowed in, not even military experience.
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My reading comprehension is more than adequate, but I will take your comments at less than face value in the future if that is what you prefer. However, in an online discussion, without the help of tone and body language, maybe you should write a little more carefully in the future.

I've bolded your statements above that led me to infer your opinion of officers without degrees. Still, while you may think they are great police officers, according to your belief's, they never should have been considered for employment for the first place.

And, as long as we're suggesting people read more carefully, I'd like to point out that I never once quoted you or implied that you held this belief that "all of the officers on this board are not qualified."

From my original post:

I have not graduated from college, but I am plugging away class by class. I wish I could have afforded to go straight through, but I couldn't. One of the benefits of the department I was hired at is free tuition. I fully intend to take advantage of that once I'm eligible. I passed every test thrown at me in the hiring process not once, but twice now. However, according to you, I, and several other members of this board, are not qualified to even be considered for a position in law enforcement.
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I was responding to your remarks about officers without degrees. I had hoped, based on what's bolded above, that everyone would infer that I was interpreting your remarks about officers without degrees. I apologize for any misunderstanding.