Will I be Dq'ed?!

[Moz18]

Hi,
I'm 29 and finally going to fulfill my dream of leaven my Attorney carrier to become a Police Officer.

I have a real clean sheet but between 2 1/2 and 3 years ago a friend offered me to taste his cigarette (marijuana) in a Country that this particular act is not illegal: taste marijuana on a friends house. That Country law doesn't define this as an illegal use.

I just put the dull thing in my mouth and spit it right away, always found drugs to be for weak minded.

So in my entire life I only tried that thing ONCE in a foreign country 2 1/2 years ago...

****The problem is that the Arizona "Minimum Qualifications for Appointment" states this:

"10. Not have illegally used marijuana for any purpose in the past 3 years;

11. Not have ever illegally used marijuana other then experimentation;

B. The illegal use of marijuana, or a dangerous drug or narcotic is presumed to be not for experimentation if:

The use of marijuana exceeds a total of 20 times or exceeds five times since the age 21 years."

I'm having trouble to interpret the item #10.

I have never 'illegally' used marijuana acoring to the letter B, but does #10 includes experimentation?

It's clear to me that the illegal use EXCLUDES experimentation so what does the "any purpose" stands for then (blackmailing, smuggling etc)?

If that is a correct line of thought why they would state on #11 the same thing already said on #10?

So what do you guys think?

[retdetsgt]

I dunno, be honest with them and see what they say. I guess the interpretation of "tasting" will come into play and that will be up to them.

[Roger Dat]

If it wasnt medical use it was illegal use. Doing something in another country that is illegal here but not there doesnt matter. You only experiemented but its the less then 3 years thats going to jam you up.

[Moz18]

If it wasnt medical use it was illegal use. Doing something in another country that is illegal here but not there doesnt matter. You only experiemented but its the less then 3 years thats going to jam you up.

Wow do you really think that will be it for me?

I'm being very honest here that's all to it I never did anything beyond tasting a SINGLE puff in my mouth and then out in 29 years... My entire background is clean apart from this.

I have done volunteer work, BA degree in Law, worked with special needed kids etc. No parking tickets, no crimes, nothing...

If a person is DQed because if this problem 6 months to fulfill the 3 years period is it possible to reapply for the same agency 6 months after this incident?

[Roger Dat]

I'm not saying your DQ'ed Im just saying you dont meet the minimum requirements. You need to wait till its 3 years. The older you wait to try marijuna the worse it looks to a department and investigator.

Minimum requirements mean just that the MINIMUM. If you dont meet the standard then you dont.

[CelticSmackdown]

Hi,
I'm 29 and finally going to fulfill my dream of leaven my Attorney carrier to become a Police Officer.

****The problem is that the Arizona "Minimum Qualifications for Appointment" states this:

[B]"10. Not have illegally used marijuana for any purpose in the past 3 years;

I'm having trouble to interpret the item #10.

Wait a minute...you're an attorney, and you're having trouble interpreting line 10?

Wow do you really think that will be it for me?

I have done volunteer work, BA degree in Law, worked with special needed kids etc. No parking tickets, no crimes, nothing...

A law degree is a Juris Doctorate, not a bachelor's degree. Unless you're a foreign law graduate (and you may very well be considering the syntax issues in your posts), I'm really doubting the fact that you're an attorney.

You'll find that most department drug policies are incredibly strict and that a large number of applicants have not used or come in contact with illegal drugs.

[vegas8921]

It sucks that your experimentation 2.5 years ago would DQ you if that is truly all you have to be your worse thing to confess. Can you interview an officer in your area or a recruit officer and ask them their opinion? Thats what I would do before throwing in the towel. Other then that you sound like a good guy and all.

[Moz18]

Wait a minute...you're an attorney, and you're having trouble interpreting line 10?

No because there is margin for a restrictive or non-restrictive interpretation especially if you use a combined method to include letter B. Laws are made buy human begins you know? I assure you this document where not intended to meet law standards and requirements.

A law degree is a Juris Doctorate, not a bachelor's degree. Unless you're a foreign law graduate (and you may very well be considering the syntax issues in your posts), I'm really doubting the fact that you're an attorney.

You'll find that most department drug policies are incredibly strict and that a large number of applicants have not used or come in contact with illegal drugs.

Yes I haven't detailed all the boring information because this is not the point of the post! I'm asking for advice and you come up with this?

I have a BSL and went thru law school to get a JD. I'm not trying to convince you about this nor need to.

I know that many agencies are strict, especially in Arizona, but frankly I've seen much worst case scenarios with success.

I am planning to detail this on the background check and also take the polygraph.

I can wait for 3 more months to complete the 3 years but I don't see how this is going to change anything if I really speak honestly about all this.

[Moz18]

It sucks that your experimentation 2.5 years ago would DQ you if that is truly all you have to be your worse thing to confess. Can you interview an officer in your area or a recruit officer and ask them their opinion? Thats what I would do before throwing in the towel. Other then that you sound like a good guy and all.

Yes it does my friend and this is putting a hold in my life. I'm married for over 4 years and we are only waiting on this to have kids. This is sad. Doing the correct math this occurred between dez/05 and jan/06 so it's almost 3 years from that date.

This is really the only thing I have to confess as incredible as it may appear. Would be very stupid to come to here and seek advise hiding things about my past.

I happen to know a really high ranked officer (3rd in hierarchy). His wife worked with me for over a year but I don't know if I would feel comfortable asking him about this. Would his expectations be shattered?

[cntryboy0531]

I'd say put in an application and see where it goes. Won't hurt. Background isn't that bad IMO. Don't think you're a perminant DQ. Just try and see where it goes.

Good luck.

[Ispbear]

Just do yourself a favor, when you go in for your polygraph or interview, don't use the line I just tasted it. It sounds like an attorney for Bill Clinton and everyone will see right through it. You took a hit from a joint, coughed and spit it out and never tried it again. By minimizing your poor judgment at the time, it only makes it look worse.

[Moz18]

Just do yourself a favor, when you go in for your polygraph or interview, don't use the line I just tasted it. It sounds like an attorney for Bill Clinton and everyone will see right through it. You took a hit from a joint, coughed and spit it out and never tried it again. By minimizing your poor judgment at the time, it only makes it look worse.

By any means I will make this as clear as water. I will admit the use. But I would also like to be clear that it happened only ONCE.

The problem is I don't know how is the Polygraph test.

I don't want to admit more then I really did (or give that impression). If the question was: how many times you tried mj in your life? I would say ONCE and I would pass the test with the officers knowing the extent of my use.

I would be devastated if the Poly detects that I'm lying just because I want to explain the entire truth!

[mcsap]

No because there is margin for a restrictive or non-restrictive interpretation especially if you use a combined method to include letter B. Laws are made buy human begins you know? I assure you this document where not intended to meet law standards and requirements.




Yes I haven't detailed all the boring information because this is not the point of the post! I'm asking for advice and you come up with this?

I have a BSL and went thru law school to get a JD. I'm not trying to convince you about this nor need to.

I know that many agencies are strict, especially in Arizona, but frankly I've seen much worst case scenarios with success.

I am planning to detail this on the background check and also take the polygraph.

I can wait for 3 more months to complete the 3 years but I don't see how this is going to change anything if I really speak honestly about all this.

The hiring agency has MINIMUM standards. Simply because YOU feel YOU should be exempted from them because YOU only " tasted" MJ one time and you are otherwise a wonderful person doens't mean squat.

Wait the three months , and when you DO meet the minimum standards , apply. Of course you will be up against plenty of people who didn't have to worry about waiting three years.

[Group9]

Wow do you really think that will be it for me?

I'm being very honest here that's all to it I never did anything beyond tasting a SINGLE puff in my mouth and then out in 29 years... My entire background is clean apart from this.

I have done volunteer work, BA degree in Law, worked with special needed kids etc. No parking tickets, no crimes, nothing...

If a person is DQed because if this problem 6 months to fulfill the 3 years period is it possible to reapply for the same agency 6 months after this incident?

Yeah, but these are bright line disqualifiers. They don't mean that just being outside of those guidelines means an automatic pass. Especially if the agency you applying for is federal (and with those liberal marijuana use guidelines, it could only be one federal agency I know of) and you are going to have to pass an SSBI, which is about as serious as a background investigation gets.

[Moz18]

Yeah, but these are bright line disqualifiers. They don't mean that just being outside of those guidelines means an automatic pass. Especially if the agency you applying for is federal (and with those liberal marijuana use guidelines, it could only be one federal agency I know of) and you are going to have to pass an SSBI, which is about as serious as a background investigation gets.

No I won't be Federal for now, I want to start on a small town for now (so it's for the city) and grow from there. There is not enough officers here and they are really trying to get people to take the plunge. But their minimal requirements are higher then other towns.

I don't mind any investigating (SSBI or not) they won't find anything apart from what I confessed here and it was an one and only mistake.