failed poly, new background process wants previous background investigator info

[wizzard35]

as the subject says i took the sheriff dept polygraph and failed. im now doing corrections and there background check wants the info of any background investigator i may have had in the past and how far along i was in the process. the thing is though i wasnt lying on my polygraph and i was denied a second shot. i would have appealed but learned a woman failed the test and was able to retake it 5 times until she finally passed. after hearing that my pride took in and i stopped the appeal.

I plan on telling the truth on this background check about that but i was wondering if that will hurt me being denied employment do to a polygraph once before.

Also what is allowed to be shared from one investigator to another. are specifics given or just he failed this question. is my file confidential or fair game?

Thanks. ive been reading this site for 7 months now just never made a post.

[wizzard35]

also to add the question i failed was a drug use question. i talked to a few people and they said with my coast guard work with anti-narcotics and trafficing that there is a chance since i worked with it is why my body reacted to the question "other than what you told us have you used any other drugs."

again thanks in advance

[freshgirl]

There is not much use worrying about it, since you have to tell them about it anyway.

I don't know what info agencies share with each other, but I've had my polygrapher ask me questions about things that came up in previous background investigations. I have taken 6 poly's and did have some issues with the 3'rd one. I don't know if I failed it or not, but I was not hired by that agency. I was honest with my other background investigators about that experience. One agency did not continue with my background after I told them, the other did and I received a conditional job offer from them today.

[wizzard35]

corrections doesnt have a polygraph. but i dont want a faulty polygraph test to make my current background investigation to be a waste of his time.

[wizzard35]

i know this is the wrong thing to do, but if i dont list that i had a previous background check can they find out i did have a background check?

[mobrien316]

Polygraphs are worthless and a lot of agencies out there are aware of that fact.

I failed three pre-employment polygraphs even though I was telling the truth on all of them. I passed my fourth and got my current job in law enforcement.

Just keep applying and telling the truth. The odds are that eventually the polygraph coin will come up heads instead of tails and they will tell you that you "passed."

[Plazoo]

Polygraphs are weird things: some times you pass, sometimes you don't....even if you provided the exact same answers to all of them.

However, in response to your question, the stupidest thing you could do, (in my opinion) is lie to your background investigator and tell them you never applied for department x. By just keeping your mouth shut, thus lying by ommission, you stand a much larger chance of being disqualified than if you tell them about the poly.

I don't know about corrections, but as far as I know, your results are fair game and will be obtained by your background investigator...but then every investigator is different so maybe not.

Just tell your guy/gal everything and hope for the best.

[BJJVad]

..the thing is though i wasnt lying..

..I plan on telling the truth on this background check about that..

I am no polygraph but my B.S. meter is starting to get some readings.

..but i was wondering if that will hurt me being denied employment do to a polygraph once before.

Also what is allowed to be shared from one investigator to another. are specifics given or just he failed this question. is my file confidential or fair game?

B.S. meter going off the charts...

i talked to a few people and they said with my coast guard work with anti-narcotics and trafficing that there is a chance since i worked with it is why my body reacted to the question

You just broke my B.S. meter. It does not support that much B.S. Maybe this is why the investigator disqualified you.

[mcsap]

A BI is more concerned with what facts they discovered via legwork than what issues they might have discovered on a poly.

Your " pride " didn't let you go on to retest with that PD but now your " pride" is considering lying to the next agency ??

You lie one time and you will find yourself wearing a blue vest with a smiley face on it. If you did nothing wrong ( that Coast Guard excuse isn't holding a lot of water) , then keep going and apply again.

[wizzard35]

I am no polygraph but my B.S. meter is starting to get some readings.



B.S. meter going off the charts...



You just broke my B.S. meter. It does not support that much B.S. Maybe this is why the investigator disqualified you.

good thing you dont earn your living calculating BS. im just trying to get a feel for how it will affect me from all angles. im not a liar and theres nothing against being curious. and you second quote on me. those were all questions. how can a question be BS? and for the third quote ive talked to 4 different narcotics officers from 2 different agencies and everytime you promote within narcotics or to narcotics you need to take a polygraph. at least those agencies do and they failed theres. still got the promotion. reasoning was because of there job and how they handle drugs often. weather not it was illegal your body can still react to the question.

you may want to send you BS meter in. it was broken before you read my post

[wizzard35]

A BI is more concerned with what facts they discovered via legwork than what issues they might have discovered on a poly.

Your " pride " didn't let you go on to retest with that PD but now your " pride" is considering lying to the next agency ??

You lie one time and you will find yourself wearing a blue vest with a smiley face on it. If you did nothing wrong ( that Coast Guard excuse isn't holding a lot of water) , then keep going and apply again.

i never considered to lie. most my references read this site and know my handle and if they thought i was going to would asked to be removed as a reference. plus im just not gonna do it. as i said before. nothing wrong with curiosity. it was more of a question on how deep the background investigator will look. not if i would get caught. i know i didnt lie on my poly. my references believe me and said they would do it again this time around. if i was a liar they wouldnt let me put their name on my BG packet.

and im not using the CG as an excuse. there are many factors i had a fever that day and they documented that and she actaully took my temp and at time of test was 100.6 but she said it shouldnt affect the test so i said ok. not sure if maybe that had a play in it. either way i shoudl have appealed. i was pissed because they let a woman do it 5 times and i didnt get my second chance at it, maybe other reasons behind it but on the surface seems unfair.

[BJJVad]

good thing you dont earn your living calculating BS. im just trying to get a feel for how it will affect me from all angles. im not a liar and theres nothing against being curious. and you second quote on me. those were all questions. how can a question be BS? and for the third quote ive talked to 4 different narcotics officers from 2 different agencies and everytime you promote within narcotics or to narcotics you need to take a polygraph. at least those agencies do and they failed theres. still got the promotion. reasoning was because of there job and how they handle drugs often. weather not it was illegal your body can still react to the question.

you may want to send you BS meter in. it was broken before you read my post

Listen guy, you made several statements there. Those were not questions. The only question you were asking is, "Will I be able to sneak onto another Department without them discovering my previous failure?"

I am a LEO. They pay me very well to calculate BS. That is 50% of our job. The other 50% is taking incoherent statements, like this reply I quoted, and trying to make sense of it enough to put in a report.

You are not a LEO yet, hopefully nor will you be if you are a shady individual who doesn't like to disclose vital information. Once you become a LEO maybe then you can come back here and correct me on how I am wrong.

The Polygraph will not fail you. It will find area's around specific questions where your body reacted. The investigator then asks more questions about that specific area to find out if you will change your statements. You obviously did and you were disqualified for it. The investigator disqualified you for you being a liar. Just as you were posting here out of "curiosity", mcsap and myself smelled your B.S. statements.

You continue to add information that has no relevance.

my references believe me and said they would do it again this time around. if i was a liar they wouldnt let me put their name on my BG packet.

Your next door neighbors and previous supervisors are not truth detectors. They put their name on that BG packet because you asked them to and they would like to see you succeed. Sounds like they are good people. To bad they are not trained to sniff this crap like your investigator, mcsap and myself.

To answer your only questions..

Also what is allowed to be shared from one investigator to another. are specifics given or just he failed this question.

Your entire file is allowed.

is my file confidential or fair game?

Fair game between LEO's.

Conclussion:
Hopefully you will read this information and tell your BG investigator the truth.

If you were completely honest you wouldn't even have to ask this question here. Curious or not, you posting here in the way that you did, you have presented yourself as a liar. Have a nice day.

[mcsap]

i never considered to lie. most my references read this site and know my handle and if they thought i was going to would asked to be removed as a reference. plus im just not gonna do it. as i said before. nothing wrong with curiosity. it was more of a question on how deep the background investigator will look. not if i would get caught. i know i didnt lie on my poly. my references believe me and said they would do it again this time around. if i was a liar they wouldnt let me put their name on my BG packet.

and im not using the CG as an excuse. there are many factors i had a fever that day and they documented that and she actaully took my temp and at time of test was 100.6 but she said it shouldnt affect the test so i said ok. not sure if maybe that had a play in it. either way i shoudl have appealed. i was pissed because they let a woman do it 5 times and i didnt get my second chance at it, maybe other reasons behind it but on the surface seems unfair.

YOU may not consider it lying but to withold information that a BI seems important will be looked at in the same manner.