Polygraph to Psychological

[Fatalo86]

Here is a good question for you guys. On the information that I give to the examiner (not the polygrpah it self) do the answers that the examiner writes down go to the Phsycologist? These questions by means of the 100 questions he asks before the test and jots down breif notes. Do the answers I give go to the Phsyc?

[Fatalo86]

Here is a good question for you guys. On the information that I give to the examiner (not the polygrpah it self) do the answers that the examiner writes down go to the Phsycologist? These questions by means of the 100 questions he asks before the test and jots down breif notes. Do the answers I give go to the Phsyc?

[Fatalo86]

Sorry for the repost. I was just checking out my signature.

[Kimble]

Uhhh... what? :confused:

[Roger Dat]

IMHO no it wont be fowarded, the doctor will rely on the interview they have with you and the test you take for them. Is it possible it could be fowarded? yes but its also possible that a meteor will hit your house tonight as you sleep. Relax, and let the process take care of itself, a little worry is fine but too much and your gonna be a nut by the time you see the psychiatrist!

:rolleyes:

[Apollo8138]

Here is a good question for you guys. On the information that I give to the examiner (not the polygrpah it self) do the answers that the examiner writes down go to the Phsycologist? These questions by means of the 100 questions he asks before the test and jots down breif notes. Do the answers I give go to the Phsyc?

Are you concerned about something? What department are you applying to (if you want to say)?

[freshgirl]

Here is a good question for you guys. On the information that I give to the examiner (not the polygrpah it self) do the answers that the examiner writes down go to the Phsycologist? These questions by means of the 100 questions he asks before the test and jots down breif notes. Do the answers I give go to the Phsyc?

This is kinda an odd question, but no I do not believe that the answers to the questions that they ask during the polygraph will be given to the phsycologist. They will be given to your background investigator. You can pass the poly and fail your background because your answers to the prepolygraph interview were not consistent with what you told your Background investigator.

[Fatalo86]

Well to be honost I was concerned about my underage drinking. I had actually given some voluntary information that wasn't so correct. For instance he would have asked me how much did you drink on New Years. I told him more than 4 but less than 12. He had worte down so between 6-12 beers right. I said No. I had more than 4 but less and than 12. So he said between 4-12. I said NO LESS THAN 12. It was like he was trying to get me disqualified or somthing. So he ended up writing between 4-10 beers. I didnt give him an exact. My problem is that my examiner kind of wrote w.e he felt he interperted. Just like he asked me have I ever gone to a casino. I told him yes, seminole and the hardrock 3x each. He said "Oh those are the same casino." I clearly tod him no they are not, they are two different buildings down the street from another. He told me since they are owned by the same people, that it is the same casino. I firmly told him they are NOT the same casino. They are two different casinos. He said well so you have been there 6 times. I don't know what his intentions of that were, but I was not happy with what he wrote.

Now when I face the Psych, he's going to confront me on these, and I'm not sure exactly what to tell him. If I say the examiner was lieing that's going to make me looks bad. But it is true. This guy was writing inaccurate information that I told him, which I was watching him jot these notes. Sorry for the bad grammar, but I have had a long night and am extemely tired from work.

This is why I am conerned about the Psych. I do not know what to do. I also told him I felt sick new years eve day, and he said well that must have been from the alcohol. I told him no, I think it was a from the food, and he stated well, I don't understand how you would get sick and not anyone else. I said I don't know. I would also like to make mention when I told him that I had gone on my girlfriend cousins bed to fall asleep, because I felt ill, he said "well you must have blacked out. I said no I didnt feel well after a long day of work plus It was late, and I had a couple beers. He said okay so you blacked out.

I passed the polly but my examiner wrote a lot of false information that I did not say word for word. I am really upset at this.

By the way it is for Miami-Dade PD.

[Roger Dat]

Arguing with the poly examiner? eek I wouldnt have done that! :eek:

[Fatalo86]

Why not argue if he is writing down FALSE informartion. He told me at the end I passed. I asked him if he would give me recomendation and he told me yes. But the fact is he wrote false information and I am extremely angry by that. Now my BI or Psych will question me on this and they probably will not believe me. I had another friend who was taking the poly and the same guy told him he was lieing that he had never smoked marijuana. My friend to my knowing has NEVER done it or drank before, and I have known him for 7 years, he is 21. Something is wrong here.

[freshgirl]

It was like he was trying to get me disqualified or somthing. So he ended up writing between 4-10 beers. I didnt give him an exact. My problem is that my examiner kind of wrote w.e he felt he interperted. ....... I don't know what his intentions of that were, but I was not happy with what he wrote.

Now when I face the Psych, he's going to confront me on these, and I'm not sure exactly what to tell him. If I say the examiner was lieing that's going to make me looks bad. But it is true. This guy was writing inaccurate information that I told him, which I was watching him jot these notes.

First, I really doubt that the info you gave on your poly is going to come up on your psych. The info from the poly goes to your Background inv., the info from your psych goes to your agencies risk management department.

If you think that the examiner wrote down incorrect info then I would write down all the stuff you remember and if you get a chance to talk with your background investigator tell him/her about it.

[getitdone]

VERY important thing to remember: the "lie detector" is NOT by any means any machine. Period, end of story. The "detector" is the person behind the machine reading physiological measurements it takes during the interrogation. He then interprets those measurements during certain questions to indicate truth or deception, or inconclusive if he can't determine.

Arguing with your polygrapher is kinda like standing at the pearly gates and shaking your fist in God's face - sure you may have a point, but if he decides you're gonna burn, then you're gonna burn one way or the other. In your case you got lucky, in your friend's case not so much. It really depends on the polygrapher and if he lets his subjective self enter the process (well it always does, but hopefully not to too destructive of a degree) or not. A polygraph is unfortunately and many times destructively still a necessary step in the process, and all you can do is tell the absolute truth and let the chips fall where they may. If you know in your heart of hearts and your consience is clear that you're doing that and he says you're lying, well to hell with him/her and chalk it up to a nasty encounter with the voodoo guy and move on to the next department if that one tosses you. No sense fighting about it. But DO be nice and friendly to the polygrapher from the get go no matter what. Studies have shown that establishing an amiable relationship prior to the test increases the chances that he will interpret some physiological anomalies as truth, whereas having the relationship turn bad at any point can also sway him to be more inclined to interpreting deception than he otherwise may have been. Remember that he is human and subjectivity always, ALWAYS enters into any human interactions by our very nature no matter how objective we try to and may think we are being.

So be nice, don't argue, tell the truth and hope for the best. Tell your friend not to let a failure squash his hopes. There are a LOT of officers are out there who've failed one or more and either the department hired anyway because of the totality of the background and interview process, or they passed one somewhere else and got on there. Failing a polygraph is no more an indication of actual deception than an astrology chart is of a person's character, nor the end of the road by any means.

[MikeDVB]

Well said! +1

Reputation your way =)

Mike

[Fatalo86]

Get it done, that was a well worded posts, but it doesn't help me in any case. We had a good relation ship before the test and after. The point was when I tried to correct on what he was interpreting, he basically shut me down and went to the next question. He seemed to twist somethings that I said, in to things I didn't say. I thought that was the Psychologists job to do that and see how I would react. After those two incidents that he wouldn't listen to me on, I just shut my mouth and answered what he asked, and didn't even bother to correct him.

My question was, what do I do about this? My BI is going to be calling me within the next two weeks for processing. Should I bring this to her attention or what. I also would like to say the the examiner was partners with my BI before he had retired from the department. It seems to me like a VERY sensitive topic. It seems like I am dealing with a crystal, if I blow on it, it will break. I just wonder WHY ME?

I have a friend who is a Lieutenant, and he told me you just have to go against what he wrote down. He doesn't write word for word, just phrases. So it is my job to correct these problems when I am asked. He told me to get on here and get some more opinions though, and he will ask around for me as well.

[getitdone]

Well absolutely correct any misinterpretations/miscommunications/misunderstandings and such with the BI when you get there. Just tell him about your experience with the polygrapher and why you were unhappy about it, and explain the corrections you'd like him to know about. Or not. Really you have two options here:

1) Tell the BI about the experience and what not as I said above to preempt any concerns, if any, that he may have.
2) You passed, so leave well enough alone and hope the BI doesn't go into it too much if at all seeing that you passed (most likely the case unless the polygrapher highlighted something on the test report that he wants the BI to notice).

What *I* would do is probably not worry about it or say anything UNLESS the BI either: a) Says there was something about the test that concerns him, in which case I would explain the situation; b) Doesn't say anything about the poly but expresses concerns or issues that logically and reasonably lead you to believe that such issues are probably being based on portions of, the whole of, the result of or any combination of the polygraph interrogation.

Sounds like maybe you're sweating the small stuff here and it won't be an issue at all. The reason I would wait before I tell him about the experience for any reasons I said above is because in doing so you might just then CREATE an issue in his mind that does not currently exist.

Per my metaphor earlier, it might be worse to open your mouth and give God a reason to rethink letting you through the pearly gates where one didn't exist to begin with. The big thing to remember about BI's is that you live and die from what dribbles from your pen on the application or spills from your mouth during the process. I'd just wait to see what God's got to say, if anything, before letting me in unless it seriously starts getting a little warm so to speak.