CCW Without A Permit

[physicstech]

I was wondering how officers from each state felt about CCW without needing a permit (such as in Vermont) Please base your answers on the following assumptions:
1- In order to possess a handgun, or ccw in the state you must be 21 NO EXCEPTIONS
2- The gun must be owned by the carrier (thus passing NICS to buy it)
3- CCW on college campus is not permitted (I might ask about feelings on this in a different thread)
4- Local counties, towns, etc... can't override the state CCW system (ie: town A needs a permit of it's own even though the rest of the state is without permit)
5- Committing a crime of any nature (even something stupid such as public urination) while your gun is with you gets you banned from carrying in the state for life.

This is not for homework or anything (I'm an info tech student ;) ) I was just curious as to opinions on this from officers across the nation. I ask the specific elements above because in my mind I envision my ideal permitless system would operate that way. Thanks for your responses. I am looking forward to reading them.

[greg72982]

I don't have a problem with it either way. All CCW's do is keep honest people honest anyway. The bad guys will always have guns, concealed or not, regardless of the law.

[pac201]

I don't have a problem with it either way. All CCW's do is keep honest people honest anyway. The bad guys will always have guns, concealed or not, regardless of the law.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Legoate]

Couldn't have said it better.

Isn't that the truth.

[physicstech]

I must say, I am glad to see so many authority figures that support civilians with guns. If only the law makers could think this way.

[mcsap]

I am in support of any law abiding citizen who can legally possess a gun , to possess a gun. A convicted burglar from 25 years may lead an exemplary life style now but he still can't possess a gun.

Before I can release a gun to ANYONE , I must run the State Police background check. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it was stolen from you this morning and I recover it this afternoon.

In PA , three DUI's within 5 years and you are considered to be an alcohol abuser and you aren't getting your guns back. I just had that happen to a guy. If you get Involuntarily Committed to the Mental Unit , you won't get your guns back. EVER. The list goes on.

[mobrien316]

There should be some sort of training required. A law abiding gun owner who knows how to handle and operate his/her firearm is not a problem. Idiots who buy guns and assume they will just automatically know what to do with them often become a problem.

[physicstech]

Agreed about the background checks. I can easily pass NICS and state checks to buy a handgun today. The problem is the licensing. In NY (where I am) in order to get a CCW you need "good cause" that you need protection above that of a normal citizen? I was referring to doing away with permits, and if a person can pass the background to get the gun, they get it. No more licensing agents telling us we don't have a good reason to protect ourselves.

[mcsap]

My state allows open carry , so if you can't qualifiy for a CCW .....just carry it out in the open .

[physicstech]

What state is that? I wasn't aware that open carry was permitted anymore considering it might scare people that don't own guns. Personally if I had the choice I'd conceal it, since no one needs to know I have a gun, until it's time to use it (God forbid)

[greg72982]

If you get Involuntarily Committed to the Mental Unit , you won't get your guns back. EVER.

I thought this was the truth until a recent event occurred. We got called to a woman threatening suicide. Get there and she is in a bathtub. There are two friends of hers there and one tells us she had a loaded gun and he was able to disarm her prior to our arrival. He goes with the other officer and retrieves it from his car where it was locked up. Long story short the gun is now ours and she gets committed. After she gets released she keeps comes and asks the Chief for the gun back. He tells her not without a court order. Sure as **** it wasnt a week later she comes in with one ordering us to return the gun to her. She was apparently a former Sheriff's Deputy.

[Sgt. Slaughter]

There should be some sort of training required.

This is the only Constitutionally guaranteed right to which people constantly espouse this "requirement" in order to exercise it. Frankly, it boggles my mind. There's never any training required for free speech or religion; no training on how to have a speedy trial; no class on how to peaceably assemble or petition the government, etc.

I thought this was the truth until a recent event occurred. We got called to a woman threatening suicide. Get there and she is in a bathtub. There are two friends of hers there and one tells us she had a loaded gun and he was able to disarm her prior to our arrival. He goes with the other officer and retrieves it from his car where it was locked up. Long story short the gun is now ours and she gets committed. After she gets released she keeps comes and asks the Chief for the gun back. He tells her not without a court order. Sure as **** it wasnt a week later she comes in with one ordering us to return the gun to her. She was apparently a former Sheriff's Deputy.

AZ Prohibited Possessor as it refers to crazy people:

Who has been found to constitute a danger to himself or to others or to be persistently or acutely disabled or gravely disabled pursuant to court order under section 36-540, and whose right to possess a firearm has not been restored pursuant to section 13-925

Means you have to be found mentally ill by a court. However, at some point in time (according to this statute and ARS 13-925) you can get that right to a firearm reinstated. The burden of proof that the mental illness has vacated the petitioner is "clear and convincing" though. So, it's not an easy sell to the court.

[mcsap]

What state is that? I wasn't aware that open carry was permitted anymore considering it might scare people that don't own guns. Personally if I had the choice I'd conceal it, since no one needs to know I have a gun, until it's time to use it (God forbid)

That would be PA.

Funny though , a woman who did this at her kids soccer match a few years ago ( not at school) was arrested , had her permit yanked etc. Was ultimately found not guilty and got her permit back. She made QUITE the issue of carrying a big semi-auto on her hip. Within a year of the case being over , her husband shot and killed her during a domestic and than killed himself.

[BP348]

What state is that? I wasn't aware that open carry was permitted anymore considering it might scare people that don't own guns. Personally if I had the choice I'd conceal it, since no one needs to know I have a gun, until it's time to use it (God forbid)

If I remember correctly AZ allows for open carry as well.

You never know if you're open carrying then maybe it will stop the bad guy before hand. How many people do you think are going to try to mug you when they already know you've got a gun?

Like the others I have no problem with people legally having or carrying a firearm.

[Joeyd6]

I don't have a problem with it either way. All CCW's do is keep honest people honest anyway. The bad guys will always have guns, concealed or not, regardless of the law.

Yep!

Open carry has its pros and cons. While many say open carry prevents you form being a target, it can also make you a target. While a few idiots will decide to walk away, the harden criminal will not. Not good when with the wife and kids and and you walk into something or something finds you. Rather than being a just another person there, you become a threat and your kids and wife close by may catch a round from the perp. Open carry is like giving a map to your enemies marked with here your are tanks are on a battlefield. They know you...but you don't know them! There are also other issues with open carry as most folks are not going to invest in a decent holster with retention or know how to handle somebody going for that gun properly. Easier to protect and prevent the taking of a gun when they don't know you have it. Just my two cents.