Any Philly LEOs here? Open and Concealed carry laws

[txinvestigator1]

Does your state have open carry, and does the city of Philly require a seperate license? Also, is there such a thing in Philly as a VUFA violation, and is there a form 75-48A?

Having a discussion with someone and about to calll BS.

Thanks!

[Blackgoat06]

PA is open carry but as for Philly itself I cant help you...

[Legoate]

Open carry is idiotic.

[Joeyd6]

Within the city of Philadelphia there is no open carry unless you have a "concealed carry license." Half-*** backwards right? I know....but it is true!. See below...it just came out and might help you with your discussion. I am on a Task Froce with these folks and got the following on a e-mail chain recently. The form you asked about exists. See below. Here is the directive sent to all Philly districts regarding open carry in Philadelphia, PA Sept 22, 2010:

GENERAL: 1272 09/22/10 12:53:20

TO : ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS / DEPARTMENT HEADS
SUBJECT : FIREARM OPEN CARRY LAW IN PHILADELPHIA

1. DIRECTIVE 137, ENTITLED “FIREARMS” IS BEING UPDATED
CONCERNING THE PENNSYLVANIA OPEN CARRY LAWS
REGARDING THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THIS TELETYPE
REFLECTS THE NEW POLICY AS IT WILL APPEAR IN THE
DIRECTIVE.

2. ALL OFFICERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT PENNSYLVANIA IS
CONSIDERED AN “OPEN CARRY STATE” WITH THE EXCEPTION OF
PHILADELPHIA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE A FEW TERMS USED,
WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS:

“OPEN CARRY” REFERS TO THE ACT OF OPENLY AND VISIBLY
CARRYING A FIREARM ON ONE’S PERSON.

“OPEN CARRY STATE” REFERS TO A STATE THAT ALLOWS
PEOPLE TO OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM ON ONE’S
PERSON WITHOUT A SPECIAL LICENSE OR PERMIT.

“CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE” REFERS TO A SPECIFIC
LICENSE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AUTHORIZING THE PERSON
TO CARRY A FIREARM CONCEALED ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR
VEHICLE.

3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR
ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A
FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY
FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A
VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN
LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR
CONCEALED.

4. AN OFFICER ENCOUNTERING A PERSON CARRYING A FIREARM
OPENLY IN PHILADELPHIA SHOULD FOR THE SAFTEY OF PUBLIC
INVESTIGATE AS A POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION.

A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.

C. A 75-48A MUST BE COMPLETED AND THE BASIS FOR THE STOP
WOULD BE A “POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION”

D. ONCE THE OFFICER RECEIVES CONFIRMATION THAT THE
CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE IS VALID, AND THERE ARE NO
OTHER OFFENSE OR VIOLATIONS BEING INVESTIGATED,
OFFICERS SHOULD RETURN THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION
BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE END OF THE STOP.

E. HOWEVER, IF THE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT PRODUCE A VALID
CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE OR THE LICENSE IS NOT VALID
(I.E. EXPIRED OR REVOKED), PROBABLE CAUSE THEN EXISTS
TO ARREST THE INDIVIDUAL FOR THE VUFAVIOLATION AND
TRANSPORT THE INDIVIDUAL TO THE DIVISIONAL DETECTIVES
FOR PROCESSING. THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION SHOULD
BE PLACED ON A PROPERTY RECEIPT (75-3) AND MARKED AS
“ EVIDENCE”. A 75-48A FOR THE INITIAL STOP MUST BE
PREPARD ALONG WITH A 75-48 FOR THE VUFA ARREST.

[retdetsgt]

Within the city of Philadelphia there is no open carry unless you have a "concealed carry license." Half-*** backwards right? I know....but it is true!. See below...it just came out and might help you with your discussion. I am on a Task Froce with these folks and got the following on a e-mail chain recently. The form you asked about exists. See below. Here is the directive sent to all Philly districts regarding open carry in Philadelphia, PA Sept 22, 2010:

Same in Portland. There is an ordinance about carrying a loaded weapon inside the city limits, but the CCW law trumps that ordinance.

[mcsap]

Philly does a lot of things their OWN way that the rest of the state does not. They have their own traffic court. The rest of the state has regular district justices that handle all offenses. Although I am only 90 mi away from there , I RARELY go there.

Same with NYC , just too much of a hassle to deal with the traffic etc.

[txinvestigator1]

Within the city of Philadelphia there is no open carry unless you have a "concealed carry license." Half-*** backwards right? I know....but it is true!. See below...it just came out and might help you with your discussion. I am on a Task Froce with these folks and got the following on a e-mail chain recently. The form you asked about exists. See below. Here is the directive sent to all Philly districts regarding open carry in Philadelphia, PA Sept 22, 2010:

THANKS! That is exactly what someone told me they put out. I was a little skeptical due to the occasional poor grammar, poor spelling, lack of codes cited, etc.

[Joeyd6]

No problem! Glad to help.