Detective Not Doing His Job NYC

[wakeuppeople]

My mentally disabled son of 15 years was sexually touched by his father's 64 year old girlfriend at the father's house on 12.18.09.* The girlfriend told the father right after the incident happened and the father did nothing.* My son reported the incident to his school counselor who called ACS.* When I found out I went to the 71st precinct in Brooklyn and reported the crime with my son.* The detective did not want to pursue the case from the beginning from the way he talked to me.* He says my son is a liar and has emotional issues and even commented on my parenting when he knows nothing about me.* The detective closed the case.* My son's counselor and I believe that my son is telling the truth from how my son describes the incident.* My son's story is consistent.* If he was lying then the story would have changed.* Plus, the way he describes the incident leads me to totally believe him.* How can I bring this woman to justice?* What are my steps now?* Should I go to the DA's office in Brooklyn?* But I read that the DA cannot do anything without an arrest and this detective does not want to do this.* This detective even lied and said that ACS has closed the case and found nothing and when I spoke to ACS myself they said that was not true.* This is not the only lie I caught this detective in. It's still open from ACS.* This detective is using my son’s mental illness as an excuse to not pursue this matter. He used the excuse that the girlfriend is 64 years old and church-going “sweet lady” I didn’t know that sexual touching had an age-limit and we all know about sexual abuse in the churches. This detective is using mental illness as an excuse to not pursue this case and this is wrong. Please tell me how to pursue this case?* My son has visitation through the courts and if this gets thrown out and he goes to his father's house this woman is still there and I don't want my son around this disgusting woman.*And the father does not care.

Thank you for reading my story.

[Legoate]

Anytime custody issues are involved we have to look closely at the motives of the parties reporting crimes. The vast majority of the time we run into issues with one parent making false claims to discredit the other in the eyes of the family court.

Hence the skepticism with your claims.

[retdetsgt]

I agree with Leogate, having worked those cases for a lot of years, they are difficult at best to pursue.

You might try getting a hold of the detective's supervisor and ask him/her to review the case.

[Samuel]

My mentally disabled son of 15 years was sexually touched by his father's 64 year old girlfriend at the father's house on 12.18.09.* The girlfriend told the father right after the incident happened and the father did nothing.* My son reported the incident to his school counselor who called ACS.* When I found out I went to the 71st precinct in Brooklyn and reported the crime with my son.* The detective did not want to pursue the case from the beginning from the way he talked to me.* He says my son is a liar and has emotional issues and even commented on my parenting when he knows nothing about me.* The detective closed the case.* My son's counselor and I believe that my son is telling the truth from how my son describes the incident.* My son's story is consistent.* If he was lying then the story would have changed.* Plus, the way he describes the incident leads me to totally believe him.* How can I bring this woman to justice?* What are my steps now?* Should I go to the DA's office in Brooklyn?* But I read that the DA cannot do anything without an arrest and this detective does not want to do this.* This detective even lied and said that ACS has closed the case and found nothing and when I spoke to ACS myself they said that was not true.* This is not the only lie I caught this detective in. It's still open from ACS.* This detective is using my son’s mental illness as an excuse to not pursue this matter. He used the excuse that the girlfriend is 64 years old and church-going “sweet lady” I didn’t know that sexual touching had an age-limit and we all know about sexual abuse in the churches. This detective is using mental illness as an excuse to not pursue this case and this is wrong. Please tell me how to pursue this case?* My son has visitation through the courts and if this gets thrown out and he goes to his father's house this woman is still there and I don't want my son around this disgusting woman.*And the father does not care.

Thank you for reading my story.

I think maybe you have * issues...

[Creeker]

I think maybe you have * issues...

Yeah, I couldn't figure that out myself... so you may be right.

Does putting a "*" by each word make it more true?

[DeltaV]

Is there solid evidence in the case, or is it just going to be your son's word against the word of the girlfriend?

In order to close out such a case here, our detectives must at least have a discussion with the prosecutor first. If it's just going to be a "he said/she said" case with no other evidence, there's a good chance that the prosecution wouldn't file given the slim chance of a conviction. That doesn't mean that your son is lying or that it didn't happen, just that nobody believes that the case can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

ACS's investigation is civil, not criminal in nature and has no bearing on the criminal investigation. It is completely different, with different levels of proof required and different penalties should they find that there was a violation.

[Creeker]

FWIW, have you actually considered that the woman "touched him" in a non molesting way, such as, if he was having some type of difficulty in the bathroom or getting dressed? You say that she told your ex- as soon as she did it, and I find it unlikely that a molester would broadcast the act. I could also envision a 64 year old treating him as a grandmother might, which may be the crux of your outrage.

What was the woman's intent?

Also FWIW, relatively speaking, there are very few female molesters in the world regardless of what the media would lead you to believe.

I am not excusing anything, but LEO's are forced to consider the possibilities of many scenarios... including the possibility that you are attempting to use LE action as a cure-all for your custody issues.

[Joeyd6]

You can't come here asking for help or our opinions when you only give half the story. Your son is 15, and mentally disabled. Yet you fail to disclose what that disability is.

There is another red flag. In NYC, if what your son said was a crime, and he reported it to the counselor, the counselor has to call the NYPD and ACS. It is called "must report" in NY State. If the counselor only called ACS, they think what happened was inappropiate but not a criminal violation. Thus no NYPD involvement until you went there. Another indication what happened was not a crime.

Then you come on here and say a detetctive is not doing there job. That is a big assumption when you don not know state laws or what has happened other than what you were told by various people.

[pac201]

You can't come here asking for help or our opinions when you only give half the story. Your son is 15, and mentally disabled. Yet you fail to disclose what that disability is.

There is another red flag. In NYC, if what your son said was a crime, and he reported it to the counselor, the counselor has to call the NYPD and ACS. It is called "must report" in NY State. If the counselor only called ACS, they think what happened was inappropiate but not a criminal violation. Thus no NYPD involvement until you went there. Another indication what happened was not a crime.

Then you come on here and say a detetctive is not doing there job. That is a big assumption when you don not know state laws or what has happened other than what you were told by various people.

added emphasis...I have not met an officer in 34 years of police work that didn't take an accusation of molestation seriously. That being said, if he showed such indifference as you describe there really is a lot more to the story...

Where's Paul Harvey when you need him...

[RoadKingTrooper]

Yeah, I couldn't figure that out myself... so you may be right.

Does putting a "*" by each word make it more true?

Just because the Det. doesn't accede to your wishes does NOT mean he isn't performing his duties.

Why come here and complain? Are you really so simple minded to think we would dissect your self serving one sided post and agree with you?

Best Wishes!

[greg72982]

Just because the Det. doesn't accede to your wishes does NOT mean he isn't performing his duties.

Why come here and complain? Are you really so simple minded to think we would dissect your self serving one sided post and agree with you?

Best Wishes!

RKT are you forgetting that the public knows how to do our jobs much better than we do??

[wakeuppeople]

It seems like I rattled a few feathers by my post "topic". I first want to thank DeltaV because this poster was the only one who TRULY answered my question WITHOUT BIAS, and stuck to the facts. I also want to thank retdetsgt because this person posted without sarcasm and total outlandish remarks like most of you here. As far as the * goes, like I'm in the police station and have to comment on that. If you should know, when I posted that post all these stars came up and since it was my FIRST POST, I thought it had to do with the site. But, there was a reason for the * and as you can see I think I fixed that little calamity.

I never in my post said that me and the father were having issues and were fighting. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Know the FACTS and don't make ASSUMPTIONS. This Det. did not even want to pursue this case BEFORE he did his investigation. He didn't question anyone yet. He had a troll on his shoulders since the beginning. I am not here to 'complain'. I am here to get FACTS and telling me how to raise my son was purely inappropriate. Saying something like "simple minded" and "self-serving". Boy did I hit a nerve with you guys. Now I know what people mean when they say that they were "victimized" by the system as well!

Joeyd6 said "You can't come here asking for help or our opinions when you only give half the story. Your son is 15, and mentally disabled. Yet you fail to disclose what that disability is." How about asking me what the nature of the sexual assault is? How come you didn't ask about that. I do not have to tell the whole world the nature of my son's disability. He is not in the habit of making accusations and lying about serious stuff like this. That is like saying that a woman has a right to be raped when she goes on a date with a man. A woman has a right to say No and my son's disability does not impair him about what happened. He was educated numerous times by his teachers because mentally people get abused lots more than normal people. Also, because the police use the excuse of mental impairment means the act didn't happen, right?

For greg72982, I'm not telling you how to do your job. But the excuse that this woman is "sweet" and "old" are just descriptions of this woman. A sweet old lady cannot sexually touch a person. Wow, I didn't know this group of people were exempt.

Leogate said "Anytime custody issues are involved we have to look closely at the motives of the parties reporting crimes. The vast majority of the time we run into issues with one parent making false claims to discredit the other in the eyes of the family court.

Hence the skepticism with your claims." I appreciate you not lashing out at me like a lot of the other posters. However, where in my post does it say that me and the father are having custody issues? We are not? Our court issues were decided long ago and me and the father were getting along for YEARS before this disgusting thing happened. In case you people who lashed out me don't know, you probably don't by your responses, that it is common for one parent to have court-awarded custody and for another to have court-appointed visitation. That's what I meant when I said visitation through the courts.

No, I did not and would not tell my son to do this or say this because this is not good for HIS interest to be subjected to this type of thing and I never ever met this girlfriend. And I know that false reporting is a crime. Why would I go to the cops knowing if they found out I lied and then this happened again that my word would not be as believable?

FWIW, this woman went into the BEDROOM and touched my son at his private area through his pants and telling him that it's an educational session? Then coming out and telling the father what a great session they had. No, this act was not a mistake.

I came on here for help and advice and got struck down by "custody" sayings and "issues" sayings. My son was victimized, plain and simple. Him being mentally disabled does not mean it did not happen. Him having court-appointed visitation does not mean it did not happen. It DID happen.

Thank you to the posters who stuck to the FACTS and didn't lash out at me. The ones that did lash out at me are the ones with the issues. I guess I hit a nerve. FWIW, I caught this det. in LIES and speculations that were not even there. I guess this det. is supposed to lie about ACS closing the case. I guess you guys are all for him. Who's biased now? Police for police will always stick together. This last paragraph was not intended for the posters I mentioned above who did not lash out at me. I only thank them. The rest of you....well, you know! Also, as you can see, I didn't call anyone names because that's just purely childish and some of ya'll need to grow up.

[DeltaV]

Look, if you have a problem with the detective then take it up with their supervisor or make a complaint with internal affairs. You come onto this website, post your story, INTENTIONALLY do not disclose all the facts of the case (what exactly occurred with the touching and what your son's disability is), yet you expect everyone here to take your side and tell you how wronged you are? Not gonna happen.

You're right in that we're taking the side of the detective over you. The detective is the one who actually knows the facts of the case, facts which you have left out and frankly have no reason to post on the Internet to a bunch of cops who can't do anything for you. For that reason, if an experienced detective has reviewed the facts and then determined that there's nothing he can do, nobody here is going to second guess him without knowing the ENTIRE story and also knowing what he has or has not done which you may not even be privy to.

As I said, if you have an issue with what the detective did then there are avenues where you can file a complaint. This is not one of those avenues. If he didn't do anything wrong then there's nothing for him to worry about.

[greg72982]

For greg72982, I'm not telling you how to do your job. But the excuse that this woman is "sweet" and "old" are just descriptions of this woman. A sweet old lady cannot sexually touch a person. Wow, I didn't know this group of people were exempt.

That comment wasn't directed toward you personally. It was a general statement based on RKT's reply.

I'll be honest with you I didn't really READ your initial post until just now, I just quickly skimmed it. I don't work in NY nor for NYPD and I don't know how they handle things there, so I really can't comment either way.

That said, I've arrested many church going people.

[Joeyd6]

...only one who TRULY answered my question WITHOUT BIAS, and stuck to the facts.

Actually you are a little confused here. As others pointed out, you left out large facts that would give everyone here the full story so they could address your concern.

.... without sarcasm and total outlandish remarks like most of you here.

And with that, remember you came here, to a cop forum and asked our opinions. It is apparent that not only the counselor did not believe it was crime (as they only called ACS), the police involved did think it was a crime, and a dozen cops on here did not see it as a crime with the lacking facts. You asked for our opinion and complain when it is not what you wanted to here. You are a typical NYC liberal that every NYPD cop has to deal with daily. Thank you for showing our fellow officers around the world of the know-it-all attitude and blatant disrespect NYC cops experience form the ungrateful public who think the police department is Burger King where they can have it their way.

As far as the * goes, like I'm in the police station and have to comment on that.

Nice sarcasm. It shows your true opinion of the police. Just like I am sure you did not answer the detectives questions or did such with sarcasm. You came here as you did the police that day, and have got two slaps in reality, both of which you don't like. My grandma said you get more with honey than vinegar. Dump the sarcasm and insulting undertones and maybe people would go out on a limb for you and give you the benefit of doubt.

I never in my post said that me and the father were having issues and were fighting. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

The fact you left it out is important. If you told us all of the facts with details, then we would not have to fill in the blanks. As cops, when somebody leaves out big details, it usually means they are hiding something.

Know the FACTS and don't make ASSUMPTIONS.

OK, but what is good for the gosse is good for the gander.

This Det. did not even want to pursue this case BEFORE he did his investigation.

One sentence later you cry about us making them, yet you make a huge ASSUMPTION. Your credibility is shot.

He didn't question anyone yet.

Maybe the information you provided was not enough to warrant asking anyone a question. But then again, how would he know she is a "nice old lady" who "goes to church" if he did not interview somebody.

He had a troll on his shoulders since the beginning.

ASSUMPTION

I am not here to 'complain'.

That is all you have done so far in your two posts.

I am here to get FACTS and telling me how to raise my son was purely inappropriate.

Not one person here told you how to raise your son. ASSUMPTION. If you can show me one one post, I will suspend that person for one week.

Joeyd6 said "You can't come here asking for help or our opinions when you only give half the story. Your son is 15, and mentally disabled. Yet you fail to disclose what that disability is." How about asking me what the nature of the sexual assault is? How come you didn't ask about that.

Because I am a a cop and know what sexual assault can be. I am wondering if you know what it is. I don't need that info to answer your question. I need to yours sons disability and and functioning level to determine his capability to make such an allegation.

I do not have to tell the whole world the nature of my son's disability. He is not in the habit of making accusations and lying about serious stuff like this.

The old "not my kid." With all due respect ma'am, that attitude is going to cause you major problems in life. Keep those blinders on and don't say you were not warned. I heard that line a lot from parents. I then watched them watch their kids die, have their stomachs pumped, or lock their kid up and watch them get sued. You don't want to tell the details that make a difference, that is your prerogative. But don't complain when called out about it and you get answers you don't like. You can't make a cake without flour, so don't think you get an answer without all the facts and details.

...my son's disability does not impair him.....

• 15 year old boy vs. 62 old lady
• 15 year old alleges sexual assault
• 15 year old boy who has been taught about being victimized and what to do if it happens
• 15 year old boy whose disability does not impair him did not make a noise at the time, did not pull away, did not try to get away, did not yell for dad, did not get up and call the police, did not get yell stop, etc....

Either you again are leaving out details or there is more to the story than you know.

Also, because the police use the excuse of mental impairment means the act didn't happen, right?

Who said that? You are making an ASSUMPTION

For greg72982, I'm not telling you how to do your job. But the excuse that this woman is "sweet" and "old" are just descriptions of this woman. A sweet old lady cannot sexually touch a person. Wow, I didn't know this group of people were exempt.

Ma'am, greg72982 did not say anything about what you are referring to. He made a comment about how you seem to think you know how to do our job, something most of us went to school for 6 months or so and have years of experience investigating and experience with the law. Please don't put words in our members mouths.

In case you people who lashed out me don't know, you probably don't by your responses, that it is common for one parent to have court-awarded custody and for another to have court-appointed visitation. That's what I meant when I said visitation through the courts.

Ma'am, don't insult us. We all know about this. We deal with it daily when parties don't comply, are late or show up at the police station about the issue. Insulting us by trying to make it sound like cops are stupid will get you banned from the website.

Why would I go to the cops knowing if they found out I lied and then this happened again that my word would not be as believable?

You are not the victim. You are not even a witness. You are a third party. You son is the victim. You can lie to the cops all you want, no charges. It is your son who gets in trouble. An just maybe what he told his counselor without you there, which the counselor has NO right to tell you, is the truth, in which no rime occurred. Thus why the counselor did not call the police as is required by law. Instead, the allegation may sound like something could have happened which not against the law but possibly jeopardizes the safety, and they reported it to the ACS for investigation.

FWIW, this woman went into the BEDROOM and touched my son at his private area through his pants and telling him that it's an educational session? Then coming out and telling the father what a great session they had. No, this act was not a mistake.

Well, here is where I can help you. And it is obvious you don't know what sexual assault is. What allegedly happened is not sexual assault, which is a felony. If the allegation is true, what happened was forcible touching.

30.52 Forcible touching.
A person is guilty of forcible touching when such person
intentionally, and for no legitimate purpose, forcibly touches the
sexual or other intimate parts of another person:
1. for the purpose of degrading or abusing such person; or
2. for the purpose of gratifying the actor`s sexual desire.
For the purposes of this section, forcible touching includes the
squeezing, grabbing or pinching of such other person`s sexual or other
intimate parts.
Forcible touching is a class A misdemeanor.

I came on here for help and advice and got struck down by "custody" sayings and "issues" sayings. My son was victimized, plain and simple. Him being mentally disabled does not mean it did not happen. Him having court-appointed visitation does not mean it did not happen. It DID happen.

You don't know what happened. You are making an ASSUMPTION based on what your son told YOU! Be very careful on what you say happened and did not, as you were not there and you could be sued for defamation/libel/slander or possibly arrested for harassment. Under NYS law, the counselor must notify the police of any sexual crime against a patient. If they don't report it, they can be arrested, lose their state license to practice and face huge civil penalties. They report everything they think even comes close so they are off the hook. You son told the counselor his version, probably without you there. And after that conversation, the counselor did not call the police. That speaks volumes. No counselor is going to put their license on the line by not making a two minute phone call.

The ones that did lash out at me are the ones with the issues.

Nobody lashed at you. The police are there to protect and serve. That does not mean kiss your behind or let you have it your way. And unless you have proof, your statement is an ASSUMPTION, and an insulting tone at that.

Who's biased now?

YOU! You claim to know what happened....yet the fact is you were not there. You claim your son would never lie.....but the fact of the matter is, your son has lied to you and will lie to you, because every kid does. You claim you came here for help...but the fact is when questions arise you start insulting and complaining. A NYS licensed professional who has a legal obligation to report abuse crimes heard your sons story and did not report it....fact is they did not see a crime.

Only person biased here is you. You want us to stick to the facts, yet your reply is filled with ASSUMPTIONS made by you, mis-statements, hidden insults, a blatant disrespect for the police, and passive aggressive behavior. Your bias far outweighs ours.

Good luck with your situation.