Police Jobs
RealPolice Forums
Police Gear
Police Agencies

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 13 of 13
  1. #1
    The Horologist is offline Junior Member The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts
    Join Date
    Dec 2nd, 2009
    Posts
    17

    Question about hearse headlights in PA

    So, I recently came across purple hi-beams specifically for hearses. The model hearse I have has four individual headlamps - a pair of low-beams and a pair of hi-beams. I know purple is use for hearses only, and isn't an emergency color. Also, the low-beams are only white.

    So, would purple hi-beams be illegal to have on a privately owned hearse in PA?
    Last edited by The Horologist; 12-02-09 at 10:33 PM. Reason: Forgot a detail.

  2. #2
    greg72982's Avatar
    greg72982 is offline Veteran Member greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Jan 18th, 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    9,207
    Quote Originally Posted by The Horologist View Post
    I know purple is use for hearses only, and isn't an emergency color. Also, the low-beams are only white.
    Then you know more than me. I have never heard of any law that permits purple high beams on hearses. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does please post the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Horologist View Post
    So, would purple hi-beams be illegal to have on a privately owned hearse in PA?
    As a general rule any color of headlight that doesn't come stock on the
    vehicle is illegal per title 67 (PA Inspection manual)

    Refer to the tables: PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Pennsylvania Commercial Driver's Manual
    Last edited by greg72982; 12-02-09 at 10:57 PM.
    "Knowing what you stand for limits what you fall for"

    "Hey, I don't know everything just because I'm a CJ student...I know everything because I'm a female." -PathosLogos

  3. #3
    Silver Fox is offline Banned Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute Silver Fox has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Mar 4th, 2006
    Location
    Metro Atlanta
    Posts
    2,140
    Quote Originally Posted by The Horologist View Post
    So, I recently came across purple hi-beams specifically for hearses. The model hearse I have has four individual headlamps - a pair of low-beams and a pair of hi-beams. I know purple is use for hearses only, and isn't an emergency color. Also, the low-beams are only white.

    So, would purple hi-beams be illegal to have on a privately owned hearse in PA?
    Go to your local P.D. or S.O. and ask them.

  4. #4
    The Horologist is offline Junior Member The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts
    Join Date
    Dec 2nd, 2009
    Posts
    17
    Quote Originally Posted by greg72982 View Post
    Then you know more than me. I have never heard of any law that permits purple high beams on hearses. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does please post the law.



    As a general rule any color of headlight that doesn't come stock on the
    vehicle is illegal per title 67 (PA Inspection manual)

    Refer to the tables: xxxxx PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Pennsylvania Commercial Driver's Manual PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Pennsylvania Commercial Driver's Manual
    Thanks for the link, but unfortunately, I couldn't find anything regarding hearse regulations aside from window tinting.

    I'm unable to find any actual law on the purple hi-beams, but I have seen hearses with purple lights. Purple has a history with processions. Doing a search for "procession purple" yielded a result on Canada allowing flashing purple lights on procession vehicles, and someone in Europe asking for samples of purple/magenta lights for procession vehicles as well. I also have come across a purple procession beacon for hearses, and of course, the hi-beams. I'd post links, but I don't have enough posts yet. I wouldn't want the beacon though, I stay away from anything that flashes.

    So, while I can't find any law on it, I have seen it done and purple is historical with processions/funerals.

    Also, I heard that the minimum to be legal is two working white headlights. Have the purple high's would leave the two lows (which are actually pretty illuminant for lows). Any confirmation on this?
    Last edited by The Horologist; 12-02-09 at 11:57 PM.

  5. #5
    DeltaV's Avatar
    DeltaV is offline Veteran Member DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute DeltaV has a reputation beyond repute
    Supporting Member L2
    Supporting Member L4
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Oct 17th, 2004
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    2,083
    In Florida, a funeral procession not lead by a law enforcement vehicle is allowed to display either a yellow or purple rotating light on the lead vehicle. Just look up Pennsylvania's vehicle code and search for specific laws involving funeral processions. If it doesn't say that you can have purple lights, you can't have them.

  6. #6
    Creeker's Avatar
    Creeker is offline Man of La Mancha Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute Creeker has a reputation beyond repute
    Supporting Member L2
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Jul 14th, 2005
    Location
    Coastal SC
    Posts
    10,792
    Are we sure you aren't refering to the HID lamps that are OEM and now available as aftermarket lighting for most any vehicle?

    I've never seen a purple headlight, and think I might confuse it with a blacklight of some type.
    My Inalienable Rights were given to me by God and NOT by the Government.


    "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."- Patrick Henry



  7. #7
    Piggy's Avatar
    Piggy is offline Trained Assassin Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute Piggy has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Aug 1st, 2004
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    4,461
    I don't think I'd want to be the guy who pulled over a hearse in the middle of a procession for an equipment violation.
    One Big Ass Mistake America

  8. #8
    greg72982's Avatar
    greg72982 is offline Veteran Member greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Jan 18th, 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    9,207
    This was all I could find regarding funeral processions, but it sounds to me you don't work for a funeral home you just own a hearse for whatever reason.

    § 3107. Drivers in funeral processions.
    (a) General rule.--The driver of a vehicle which is being
    driven in a funeral procession may:
    (1) Park or stand irrespective of the provisions of this
    part.
    (2) Proceed past a red signal indication or stop sign if
    the lead vehicle in the procession started through the
    intersection while the signal indicator was green or, in the
    case of a stop sign, the lead vehicle first came to a
    complete stop before proceeding through the intersection.
    (b) Visual signals required.--The privileges granted by this
    section shall apply only if each vehicle in the funeral
    procession displays lighted head lamps and emergency flashers
    and bears a flag or other insignia designating it as part of a
    funeral procession.
    (c) Right-of-way to emergency vehicles.--This section does
    not relieve the driver of a vehicle which is being driven in a
    funeral procession from yielding the right-of-way to an
    emergency vehicle making use of audible and visual signals, nor
    from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all
    persons.
    Equipment characteristics are defined by the inspection manual. I don't see there being any exceptions other than for emergency vehicles. Table IV in that link lists all equipment characteristics for passenger cars and it states two white lamps.
    "Knowing what you stand for limits what you fall for"

    "Hey, I don't know everything just because I'm a CJ student...I know everything because I'm a female." -PathosLogos

  9. #9
    RoadKingTrooper's Avatar
    RoadKingTrooper is offline Have gun.....will travel RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute RoadKingTrooper has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Jul 19th, 2009
    Location
    Cotopaxi
    Posts
    895
    Purple lights on a Hearse? I thought they were to be used exclusively by Psychics when tracking fugitive cosmic entities
    "They don't give a damn about any trumpet blowing band........it ain't what they call rock and roll................"

  10. #10
    The Horologist is offline Junior Member The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts
    Join Date
    Dec 2nd, 2009
    Posts
    17
    Quote Originally Posted by greg72982 View Post
    This was all I could find regarding funeral processions, but it sounds to me you don't work for a funeral home you just own a hearse for whatever reason.



    Equipment characteristics are defined by the inspection manual. I don't see there being any exceptions other than for emergency vehicles. Table IV in that link lists all equipment characteristics for passenger cars and it states two white lamps.
    Correct, I do not work for a funeral home. I own a hearse privately, and am planning on turning it into a street-legal show car.

    Thanks for the list! I was unable to find anything on that stuff.

    I did have one more question though; I know ornamental lights are illegal in PA, and I was wondering if only exterior after-market lights are considered ornamental or if any interior after-market lighting would be considered ornamental as well. I'd like to have some blacklights on the inside of the car (none directly in view) to give some ambient lighting inside the vehicle, but I don't want to get pulled for it.

  11. #11
    greg72982's Avatar
    greg72982 is offline Veteran Member greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute greg72982 has a reputation beyond repute
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Jan 18th, 2006
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    9,207
    Quote Originally Posted by The Horologist View Post

    I did have one more question though; I know ornamental lights are illegal in PA, and I was wondering if only exterior after-market lights are considered ornamental or if any interior after-market lighting would be considered ornamental as well. I'd like to have some blacklights on the inside of the car (none directly in view) to give some ambient lighting inside the vehicle, but I don't want to get pulled for it.
    You are safe with interior lights as long as they can't be seen while you are driving.



    Also a little birdie told me the following. Here is your answer on paper:

    State Law ( no exceptions for hearses)

    PAVC 4301 The dept shall promulgate the regulations governing the ...color....of lamps etc.

    PA Equipment Regulations regarding the 4301 reference.

    Title 67 Section 175.66 ( b , c 1 & 2 , also g) Lighting and Electrical Systems.

    HEADLAMP SYSTEM

    (g) says that the color shall not be contrary to Tables II-IV.

    Table II ( CMV'S)
    Headlamps , all must be white.

    Table III SUV's trucks trailers over 80 in wide.

    Headlaamps must all be white.

    Table IV

    Passenger cars and light trucks under 80 in in width.

    Headlamps must be white.



    Actual insp procedure 175.80 a, 9 , v.

    Lamp shows color contrary to the lighting chart , tables.
    So a hearse ( or any PA vehicle ) with purple headlights would also fail state inspection.
    "Knowing what you stand for limits what you fall for"

    "Hey, I don't know everything just because I'm a CJ student...I know everything because I'm a female." -PathosLogos

  12. #12
    The Horologist is offline Junior Member The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts The Horologist is infamous around these parts
    Join Date
    Dec 2nd, 2009
    Posts
    17
    Quote Originally Posted by greg72982 View Post
    You are safe with interior lights as long as they can't be seen while you are driving.



    Also a little birdie told me the following. Here is your answer on paper:
    Ah, just what I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!

  13. #13
    basher52's Avatar
    basher52 is offline Veteran Member basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute basher52 has a reputation beyond repute
    Supporting Member L2
    Verified LEO
    Join Date
    Dec 16th, 2007
    Posts
    771
    In NYS you are good to go (funeral vehicles) with purple. They changed the law a number of years ago, but it has been slow to catch on here in NY. I have noticed more asian funeral processions with purple lighting, stobes and LEDs.

  14. This ad will disappear if you login

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts