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    How does the focus on rehabilitation affect Law enforcement, corrections, probation, interventions programs, community services?

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    You already asked this in another thread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildAngel View Post
    How does the focus on rehabilitation affect Law enforcement, corrections, probation, interventions programs, community services?
    It takes away effectiveness from some while it makes others a little more so.

    This is an extremely broad question and if its Homework, which it sounds like it is, you may wish you hadn't posted it, since most of us believe in people doing their own homework.
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    It raises crime. Criminal rehabilitation doesn't work. It was the rage when I started as a cop and continued up until about 1990. During that time, the crime rates rose continually. It was embraced by government because it's so much cheaper than incarcerating people.

    In the early 90's, the people of Oregon passed Measure 11, an initiative that forced judges to impose mandatory minimum sentences for violent crimes. There was all sorts of hand wringing, but within a very few years violent crime declined measurably. One example was the murder rate in Portland. Within three years, it was cut in half. Potential murderers were locked up before they reached that level.
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    You already asked this in another thread....
    I know but I have learned if you get no response ask again, and again. At some point the question will be answered sorry if the question got old. I truly apologize for the annoyance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creeker View Post
    It takes away effectiveness from some while it makes others a little more so.

    This is an extremely broad question and if its Homework, which it sounds like it is, you may wish you hadn't posted it, since most of us believe in people doing their own homework.
    No this is a question for me to better understand the questions I am answering with about 200-300 words, I understand completely doing my own homework, however is it wrong to inquire insight from those who know more about this topic than I to ensure that I am on the right path in my work, I assure you I am not a cheater. If I were to use the information provided here within my class work I would ask first, and site from whom I recieved the information from as well as the site. I am merely using your help to find resources online. I hope I have not affended you in any way. Thank you for the lead it might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retdetsgt View Post
    It raises crime. Criminal rehabilitation doesn't work. It was the rage when I started as a cop and continued up until about 1990. During that time, the crime rates rose continually. It was embraced by government because it's so much cheaper than incarcerating people.

    In the early 90's, the people of Oregon passed Measure 11, an initiative that forced judges to impose mandatory minimum sentences for violent crimes. There was all sorts of hand wringing, but within a very few years violent crime declined measurably. One example was the murder rate in Portland. Within three years, it was cut in half. Potential murderers were locked up before they reached that level.
    Thank you this helps a great deal. I now can search using these key words. Does rehabilitation raise the crime rates.

    I thank you for understanding I needed a push in the right direction. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retdetsgt View Post
    It was the rage when I started as a cop and continued up until about 1990.
    Unfortunately, it is STILL the rage down here in CA! In fact, my fellow CA officers can attest to this, within the past year or so the CDC (California Department of Corrections) recently changed its name to CDCR (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation). As if changing the name is going to make any bit of a difference, let alone the philosophy itself, which I believe is bull$hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grussem View Post
    Unfortunately, it is STILL the rage down here in CA! In fact, my fellow CA officers can attest to this, within the past year or so the CDC (California Department of Corrections) recently changed its name to CDCR (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation). As if changing the name is going to make any bit of a difference, let alone the philosophy itself, which I believe is bull.
    They must have still had $ left in their Bankrupted budget. They had to spent the millions on something, else they wouldn't get to increase it next year.

    Changing out signage, business cards & stationary probably cost a few million statewide.

    But now they are "kinder and gentler".
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    When I worked in the jail we always had four of five, “rehabilitation” programs running at any given time. The inmates would start a new one every time they came back into custody. I think that says it all about how well these programs work.

    The only reason inmates enroll in programs is because it is time out of their housing units. Moreover think about court ordered programs. These inmates aren’t in these programs to make a change in their lives, they are only there because they are physically brought to them and will spend more time in custody if they refuse to attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grussem View Post
    Unfortunately, it is STILL the rage down here in CA! In fact, my fellow CA officers can attest to this, within the past year or so the CDC (California Department of Corrections) recently changed its name to CDCR (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation). As if changing the name is going to make any bit of a difference, let alone the philosophy itself, which I believe is bull.
    It took a citizen's ballot initiative to change it here. The state had to build at least two more prisons that I know of. The legislature just snuck a bill through that allows a 20% early release for "good behavior". Like their behavior in the joint is going to reflect how they act on the outside..... They admit it was to save money.

    Even the most avid opponents have to admit that violent crime has plummeted. Just taking these asswipes off the street for a significant amount of time changed it.

    A Republican former state attorney general has been talking about getting another measure on the ballot doing the same for property crimes. I truly believe a lot of the global warming can be attributed to all the hand wringing by liberals over it because they knew it will pass if the people get to vote on it.
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    You just gotta realize he is hard of hearing and cranky, and try to speak up more clearly next time and make it perfectly clear what you were saying so there is no misinterpretation. You gotta try not to get mad at the old guy, recognizing the issue at hand.

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    for the most part, it wastes everyones time.

    So when it the homework paper due?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kels View Post
    for the most part, it wastes everyones time.

    So when it the homework paper due?
    I can agree there the way they have it set up it does. It is due the 22nd The total paper is min 1,750 to 2,100 word. Thank you for your response. I have answerd most of the questions I have to find the affects on corrections, and the community service and intervention programs. So, I am doing fairly well and my paper is just about done. I skipped these questions for awhile and went back to them later with a clearer mind and was able to reword my search to find the information to site. Also a new veiw from this forum helped as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg72982 View Post
    Rehab only works if the person wants to be rehabilitated....
    How hard is this for people to understand? A few years ago we passed a proposition for drug offenders allowing them to got to treatment instead of being incarcerated..... Great concept.... except now people sign up for treatment, avoid incarceration, then never participate in the treatment programs.

    Forcing someone to "rehabilitate" themselves will never work until that person hits rock bottom and they make a personal decision to change their behavior.
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