Could use some advice please

[GCFD_5]

Hello I've been posting on this website for a while and need to hear some advice. I can't believe that it's gotten to the point that I'm actually asking what my chances are but here is my huge long story and sorry for being so detailed but I always feel that details will help explain things.

I graduated HS back in 2006 and went right to college, for the most part good grades, never broke the law, never been convected, never been arrested, never done drugs in my whole life, I also have never drank an smoked, I also have no speeding tickets and what not, basically no record. Anyway back when I was a kid in grammer school I saw a counseler because I was being bullied in school, yeah I was one of those kids, anyway I saw one from lte grammer school and earlier high school. No I was not on meds, it was not a pyschiatrict, it was a regular pyschologist and it was just one on one talk thats all, no big deal.

Ok so anyway fast forward to late September of 2008 I enlisted in the Army National Guard and went to basic training in early january, I am came home in late March because I am very sorry to say that I did not pass basic training because it was just my fault. Not that this is any excuse but it was my first real time away from home and I was also one of those sick call rangers and what not, I missed mandatory training because I got hurt there and was put on profile. I wasn't being what a SOldier should be I was letting my battle buddy down and letting them do all the work and this showed and after a few other things happened the CO met with me and after talking it was decided that I could do this and that I can become a Soldier but just not now after all that had happened. Also when I was there I tried to speak to the chaplian in the begiining but was denied for some reason and was told that I could go to mental health instead to speak with some one there. So I did and the counseler who I saw basically said I was fine and didn't see any reason to be discharged and that I could return to training. She put down on her report that to basiclly sum it up that I missed home and would rather be home. SO I left basic training with a chapter 11 failure to adapt unchararterized discharge, with an re code of 3, a separation code of JGA, and a narrative reason of entry level performance and conduct.

I have regretted what has happened so much and I am working on how I can get back in the Service because I truly have wanted this for so long and for so badly my whole life that I can not and will not let this go. I am determined to get back in and become a Soldier. Now what my plan is so far is that once I got home I got right back to school but I changed my major to accounting because I know thats a good major to have and that many law enforcement agencies like a degree love people with a degree like that. While I am working on that I am trying to rebuild myself by showing positive things and gettign as many letters of refrence as possible, getting documentable things that show good positive things that I have done and that once I am in my senior year of college that ( because I changed my major I am a sophmore again ) I will go to a recruiter and start the ball rollign so that I will set it up so that once I graduate I will be able to leave for basic training again. Now I am 22 at the moment and according to my caluclations I will be 25 at that time in the future.

Now after reading all that again sorry for the long posts but what do you think my chances are of becoming a police officer in the NYPD or maybe some day even working for a federal agency such as the IRS? Any how thanks

[retdetsgt]

Now after reading all that again sorry for the long posts but what do you think my chances are of becoming a police officer in the NYPD or maybe some day even working for a federal agency such as the IRS? Any how thanks

No chance, I'd say. Army basic training isn't all that hard and you messed it up miserably. Sorry, but that doesn't say a lot for your courage and character.. A whole lot of kids get out of high school, go to military basic and do just fine even though it's their first time away from home too.

Sorry, but you asked....

[GCFD_5]

For what it's worth I don't have any article 15s, I never went awol, I went in as a pfc and left as a pfc so i was never demoted or anything like that. I mean does that help at all?

[Roger Dat]

I dont have a problem with you being homesick and eventually coming home. I do however have a problem with letting your buddy do all of your work and it being reflective in your performance as reported by your C.O.

Those two things together probably have you sunk. LE in para military in many aspects. You didnt make it there you probably wont make it here.

Good luck to you in the future.

[retdetsgt]

For what it's worth I don't have any article 15s, I never went awol, I went in as a pfc and left as a pfc so i was never demoted or anything like that. I mean does that help at all?

No. Look, just about everyone I know that went in the military laid in their bunk that second night and thought, "Oh, ****, what have I done?" I know I did. I was so homesick I nearly cried.

But we all got up the next morning and did what was expected of us. You got homesick, went into a power snivel, abused sick call and started looking for a way out as soon as you got there. And you were in the National Guard for crying out loud! You were going home after 6 months anyway.... It's not like someone who enlisted for four years in the regular Army.:rolleyes:

Any agency is going to look at your discharge and more than likely toss your application. You made some poor decisions and now you're going to have to suffer the consequences of those decisions.

The only way I know to fix it is to get back in the military and do it right. Whether or not they will be willing to do that, I don't know.

[Cat_Doc]

You won't know unless you try. This is what amazes me about people who pose these type of questions on here. They need to take the steps and find out for themselves if an agency is going to give them a shot.

[Cat_Doc]

I was so homesick I nearly cried.

We all heard that muffled crying after lights out. :wave:

[GCFD_5]

No. Look, just about everyone I know that went in the military laid in their bunk that second night and thought, "Oh, ****, what have I done?" I know I did. I was so homesick I nearly cried.

But we all got up the next morning and did what was expected of us. You got homesick, went into a power snivel, abused sick call and started looking for a way out as soon as you got there. And you were in the National Guard for crying out loud! You were going home after 6 months anyway.... It's not like someone who enlisted for four years in the regular Army.:rolleyes:

Any agency is going to look at your discharge and more than likely toss your application. You made some poor decisions and now you're going to have to suffer the consequences of those decisions.

The only way I know to fix it is to get back in the military and do it right. Whether or not they will be willing to do that, I don't know.

Wait hold on ok yes I know I messed up and it's totally 100% my fault ok but to say that I tried to escape isn't fair to say because like I said I never went Awol or attempted too or even had any thoughts about it and I can prove that because I have no time lost but anyway ok look I think that maybe my question was a bit misunderstood earlier. Now when I plan to start applying to any agencies is after I get back in. Which I know people here are thinking that oh they will never take you back and what not but here is what I am asking.

After I have graduated college, done good things, put time inbetween what happened and got back in and passed basic and Ait and am back in the Guard will the that old chapter out of basic still be an issue? I know no one has a absolutel answer to that but any thoughts, opinions, and and ideas about how things are handled would be apprecited. Thanks

[retdetsgt]

After I have graduated college, done good things, put time inbetween what happened and got back in and passed basic and Ait and am back in the Guard will the that old chapter out of basic still be an issue? I know no one has a absolutel answer to that but any thoughts, opinions, and and ideas about how things are handled would be apprecited. Thanks

I have no idea if the military will take you back. As I said earlier, if they will and you clean up your record then you'll have a pretty good shot. As it stands now, no.

As far as not going AWOL, etc., who cares? You're grasping at straws. The bottom line is you were discharged early because you couldn't hack military basic training.

[retdetsgt]

We all heard that muffled crying after lights out. :wave:

I remember hearing some pretty ragged breathing the first few nights...... There may have been some, but I never met anyone who thought on their second day of basic that they had made the best decision in their lives.:uhoh: I and probably everyone else though had made a commitment and I'd be damned if I'd go home and tell my friends and family I couldn't handle it.

I think it's a different world with the all volunteer military now. When you and I went in, they wouldn't have bothered to send us to mental health counseling. :rolleyes:. If you were a screwup, the CO called you in and told you your military career was over and that was that. You'd pack up when the rest of your unit couldn't see you and you'd be on the next big bird back home. A couple of guys in my platoon "disappeared". There was no warning at all from anyone, the DI just told them to report to the orderly room one day and we never saw or heard from them again. And you didn't ask, either. Also there would be no way of fixing it, the discharge you got was what you lived with the rest of your life. The Army got all it needed from draftees and the rest of the services had waiting lines to join so they wouldn't be drafted. They didn't need to coddle anyone or tolerate any bull****.

My youngest daughter did two tours in the Navy and I couldn't believe some of the things she told me about how some people behaved in basic and especially out in the real Navy. That just wasn't done in our time.

[PapaBear]

If you cannot make it successfully through basic military training there is no way you can make it through a basic police academy. As I see it you have a number of options available to you. Re-enter the military and become successful; finish your education and maintain a straight and narrow lifestyle; or, seek out an occupation that is not going to make demands on you - mentally and physically.

It is all up to you to become successful in your goals. Nothing we say can modify your behavior or emotions.

Good luck!

[GCFD_5]

Ok listen I won't turn this into one of those 500 page threads but I will it with this. I messed up but I am working to fix this HUGE mistake that I have made. Regardless if in the end of things if I become a police officer or not one thing that I am GOING to do is absolutley get back into the Military. I have wanted this for soo long and for soo badly that I can NOT and WILL NOT let this go or leave it the way it is. When I get back in I will let you know. All I can ask is to wish me luck and if you have any helpful suggestion or any advice on that I could use or try that will help me get back in the service that would be very much appreciated. Thank you

[lax854]

Ok listen I won't turn this into one of those 500 page threads but I will it with this. I messed up but I am working to fix this HUGE mistake that I have made. Regardless if in the end of things if I become a police officer or not one thing that I am GOING to do is absolutley get back into the Military. I have wanted this for soo long and for soo badly that I can NOT and WILL NOT let this go or leave it the way it is. When I get back in I will let you know. All I can ask is to wish me luck and if you have any helpful suggestion or any advice on that I could use or try that will help me get back in the service that would be very much appreciated. Thank you

brother you are on here asking for advice and opinions to a question you pose. Again, you are getting solid opinions based on facts and seems youre just not liking what we got to say. If you want to feel good about your future, talk to your mom. These boys and gals are giving you their opinion based on their experiences and if it aint what you want to hear, youre in the wrong place.

[retdetsgt]

When I get back in I will let you know. All I can ask is to wish me luck and if you have any helpful suggestion or any advice on that I could use or try that will help me get back in the service that would be very much appreciated. Thank you

My recommendation would be to contact a recruiter and find out if going back into the military is even viable. As I posted earlier, at one time the military wouldn't give you a second look, but that may have changed. But if it were me, I'd like to know before I did much planning for my future. How badly you want to go back in isn't going to be a factor in whether or not they take you.

On one hand, you sound like you're taking responsibility for what happened, but I'm not comfortable that you're understanding why you're not a good candidate for either the police or even returning to the military. Some of your logic about not getting article 15's, etc. is similar to someone being arrested for DUI, but arguing that they didn't hit anyone or anything. That's not the point.

I hope it all works out for you, but the basic problem is we always want to be judged on our intentions. Unfortunately, the world judges us on our actions instead.

[Roger Dat]

the basic problem is we always want to be judged on our intentions. Unfortunately, the world judges us on our actions instead.

Quote says it all.......:beer: