Huffing / Inhalant Abuse

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There are many posts here about smoking pot, underage drinking, and some "recreational" drug use by kids and young adults.

However, a search hasn't turned up too much info about huffing/inhalant abuse.

Is this even something law enforcement comes into contact with? It seems like everyone knows/suspects that teenagers out there are doing it, but it really only comes to everybody's attention when a kid dies doing it. I've never heard of any arrests being made by police or even warnings given.

I checked the DEA website for information and inhalants continue to be unregulated under the CSA. I doubt this is going to change given that it would mean illegalizing many household products. (But I really don't know what I'm talking about here, so if anyone knows specifics I'd appreciate it.)

Many containers have a label warning that federal law prohibits using the product for anything but its intended use. But I can't find the actual law. :(

From what I understand states have enacted laws to illegalize abuse of inhalants. It's a misdemeanor in my state, and it's probably similar in others.

Anyway, I have two (sets of) questions:

1) How often do you actually come in contact with inhalant abuse? Is it something that is on the rise or is it actually slowing down? Under what circumstances does it occur? Do you warn, educate, contact parents, arrest, charge? Has inhalant abuse ever been a factor in a DUI?

2) How does huffing as a teenager/young adult affect someone's prospects as a LEO? Is it comparable to MJ use or considered worse? Is "experimental" use OK or is it a "one time and you're out" deal? How does it compare to underage drinking? Every kid knows it's illegal to drink under 21, but many may not think that huffing is a crime. I'm not even sure legislature knows whether it's a crime or not. I just noticed that with all the posts here from LEO hopefuls I've never read about anybody being worried about having huffed in the past. I thought that was odd since at one point it seemed like it was evey kid's favorite past time.

As always, I appreciate your wisdom. :p

[Roger Dat]

I for the most part only come in contact with them when their parents call us to the house because they are unfornately found unresponsive or at least passed out.

There was one young guy that I locked up 4 times for crashing 4 cars and leaving the scene of all 4 accidents while huffing.

[Samuel]

[If I'm posting too much here tell me to shut up. Tell me in a nice way and I might even listen.]

If someone OG here tells you to shut up, it would behoove you to do so - whether it's phrased nicely or not...

There are many posts here about smoking pot, underage drinking, and some "recreational" drug use by kids and young adults.

However, a search hasn't turned up too much info about huffing/inhalant abuse.

Is this even something law enforcement comes into contact with?

Yes (of course).

It seems like everyone knows/suspects that teenagers out there are doing it, but it really only comes to everybody's attention when a kid dies doing it.

Media.

I've never heard of any arrests being made by police or even warnings given.

So?

I checked the DEA website for information and inhalants continue to be unregulated under the CSA.

What is your definition of "inhalant" and "regulated/unregulated"? Do more searching in places other than the DEA website...

I doubt this is going to change given that it would mean illegalizing many household products. (But I really don't know what I'm talking about here, so if anyone knows specifics I'd appreciate it.)

All you need to know is 1. don't do it and 2. if it's not made/designed/intended to be ingested/inhaled/injected/absorbed into the human body, again, don't do it.

Many containers have a label warning that federal law prohibits using the product for anything but its intended use. But I can't find the actual law. :(

Keep looking and look at statutes that refer to things other than "intended use".

From what I understand states have enacted laws to illegalize abuse of inhalants. It's a misdemeanor in my state, and it's probably similar in others.

Anyway, I have two (sets of) questions:

1) How often do you actually come in contact with inhalant abuse?

Pretty often.

Is it something that is on the rise or is it actually slowing down?

Not enough info to determine.

Under what circumstances does it occur?

Every.

Do you warn, educate, contact parents, arrest, charge?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Has inhalant abuse ever been a factor in a DUI?

Yes, what do You think?

2) How does huffing as a teenager/young adult affect someone's prospects as a LEO?

Bye bye.

Is it comparable to MJ use or considered worse?

No. Depends on what you consider worse.

Is "experimental" use OK or is it a "one time and you're out" deal?

Often "you're out".

How does it compare to underage drinking? Every kid knows it's illegal to drink under 21, but many may not think that huffing is a crime.

How do you KNOW "every kid" knows it's illegal to drink under 21? How do you KNOW that "many many not think huffing is a crime"?

I'm not even sure legislature knows whether it's a crime or not.

Who is "legislature"? Research more.

I just noticed that with all the posts here from LEO hopefuls I've never read about anybody being worried about having huffed in the past. I thought that was odd since at one point it seemed like it was evey kid's favorite past time.

Maybe with YOU and YOUR friends or kids YOU know/knew. Not me or mine...

As always, I appreciate your wisdom. :p

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btw, look up "drug categories" - one of the groups starts with an "I"...

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I for the most part only come in contact with them when their parents call us to the house because they are unfornately found unresponsive or at least passed out.

There was one young guy that I locked up 4 times for crashing 4 cars and leaving the scene of all 4 accidents while huffing.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

How many decades from now will he get his license back?

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[If I'm posting too much here tell me to shut up. Tell me in a nice way and I might even listen.]

If someone OG here tells you to shut up, it would behoove you to do so - whether it's phrased nicely or not...

Point taken. I'll keep that in mind.

It was a veiled apology for posting so (too?) much.

I've never heard of any arrests being made by police or even warnings given.

So?

It was a simple statement of my experience. No more, no less. No hidden criticism or agenda.

I checked the DEA website for information and inhalants continue to be unregulated under the CSA.

What is your definition of "inhalant" and "regulated/unregulated"?

As stated on the DEA website.

Do more searching in places other than the DEA website...

I would appreciate if you could make some specific suggestions (and I'm NOT being snappy). There is a lot of information on the web, but a lot of it is outdated, and even the newer stuff turns out to be plagiarized old information (down to the same typographical and stylistic errors). I'm not writing a paper or anything so I do not intend to spend a gigantic amount of time and effort on researching this.

I was mostly interested in how prevalent this problem actually is in law enforcement and what your professional experience with it is. I can read anything I want in books, but I was hoping to hear from actual LEOs here. That's all.

I doubt this is going to change given that it would mean illegalizing many household products. (But I really don't know what I'm talking about here, so if anyone knows specifics I'd appreciate it.)

All you need to know is 1. don't do it and 2. if it's not made/designed/intended to be ingested/inhaled/injected/absorbed into the human body, again, don't do it.

I never had any intention of doing it.

Many containers have a label warning that federal law prohibits using the product for anything but its intended use. But I can't find the actual law.

Keep looking and look at statutes that refer to things other than "intended use".

I'll keep looking. I believe you're correct that I am searching for the wrong terms. But I wish they would just refer to the actual law on the can/bottle rather than just putting some ominous warning on it: "Sniff this and bad things may happen and maybe someone somehwere might even somehow punish you."

Has inhalant abuse ever been a factor in a DUI?

Yes, what do You think?

How do you recognize that an inhalant was abused (other than obvious signs such as typical containers)? Does it show up in the blood? Are officers trained to recognize the effects of all the different inhalants?

How does it compare to underage drinking? Every kid knows it's illegal to drink under 21, but many may not think that huffing is a crime.

How do you KNOW "every kid" knows it's illegal to drink under 21?

I don't. But I cannot imagine anyone between 13 and 21, who is of average intelligence who was raised by humans, and has had average contact with other people and society, not knowing that drinking under 21 is illegal.

How do you KNOW that "many many not think huffing is a crime"?

I don't. I wrote "many MAY not". It is made pretty clear to kids that "weed is illegal. cocaine is illegal. heroin is illegal." Up until recently, and from my admittedly VERY limited experience and observation, there were no warnings about "nail polish remover is illegal if you sniff it, lighter fluid is illegal, RediWhip is illegal". Hell, mom put it on my birthday cake. How illegal can it be? I bet you could ask random adults on the street if huffing paint thinners was illegal (illegal, not just stupid/dangerous) and most wouldn't know the answer.

I'm not even sure legislature knows whether it's a crime or not.

Who is "legislature"? Research more.

Admittedly not well-worded. Definitions and regulations appear to be changing constantly, and they certainly vary from state to state, and possibly from municipality to municipality. These are relatively new laws being incorporated into "old" codes. Of course it may just seem to me that way because the information available on the internet isn't terribly reliable. I'm not claiming to have seriously researched this. Again, I'm only interested in personal professional experiences.

I just noticed that with all the posts here from LEO hopefuls I've never read about anybody being worried about having huffed in the past. I thought that was odd since at one point it seemed like it was evey kid's favorite past time.

Maybe with YOU and YOUR friends or kids YOU know/knew. Not me or mine...

I have never inhaled any substance with the intention of getting high (I did once inhale something that wasn't intended to be inhaled in large quantities out of stupidity. Not sure that counts). Have I known people who have? Yes. Did I partake? No. Did I stick around when they got high? No. My parents kept me on a leash too short to hang myself with.

I suspect you are at least 20 years older than me, so A LOT has changed between your youth and mine. Just look at how you guys dressed back then. :eek::rolleyes:;)

[Roger Dat]

Sounds like an end of year research paper.

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Laws cannot regulate or enforce common sense.

Whiteout is a great tool for fixing mistakes. It is also used by kids to huff. Baseball bats are great for playing baseball. They are illegal to hit people with. Guns are great for hunting , target shooting and self defense. They also make a great murder weapon.

Alcohol is legal for adults to consume. It is not legal to drive with a BAC over a .08. One can drink mouthwash and get drunk ( look at the alcohol content) and get arrested for DUI from drinking mouthwash. Same with cough syrup.

If somene chooses to ingest something into their bodies for the purpose of getting high....their are or can be consequences. Even kids know this , not perhaps to the greatest degree but they do know. They just dont think it can happen to them.

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Sounds like an end of year research paper.

Somehow I knew someone was going to say that... I didn't expect it from you though since you initially gave me an honest answer.

Not wanting to point fingers here, but Samuel was the one who turned my innocent questions into a research assignment instead of sharing his vast on-the-job experience with someone who has none. ;)

I'm a math major and other than simple statistics there's no benefit to this subject matter. It's not related to computer science either. I am taking some paralegal courses, but not criminal law since for the last few semesters it has conflicted with my mandatory classes. :mad:

So no, it's not a research paper or any other paper of any kind. It's intended to satisfy my natural curiosity. Samuel has just inspired/challenged me to turn it into more than that. Can't hurt, can it?

Anyway, I was just curious what the reality of your job was regarding this issue. And I am hoping to be a cop one day. That's all.

Why I initially even thought to ask this question is because we had a group of kids come to the store and buy nine cans of whipped cream and we ended up having a debate about how they are going to huff them (I thought whip-cream wrestle...), and how we shouldn't be selling them to kids in large quantities, and how the kids could be arrested or the cashier who sold them to them, etc.

Two reasons why I asked about huffing and the application process are that 1) it did strike me as odd that I couldn't find (m)any posts that dealt with the issue, but TONS of posts about MJ and hard drug use; and 2) I did have an "inhalation incident" as a kid and I was wondering if that would be an issue in the application process.

I apologize if my post came across as something it is not. I don't express myself too well sometimes.

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2) How does huffing as a teenager/young adult affect someone's prospects as a LEO?

I would say that the fact that a huffer wants any job at all would be a good sign that he maybe has at least a couple of brain cells left.

I just don't see huffers having that happy ending as LEOs, later.

[Samuel]

Point taken. I'll keep that in mind.
It was a veiled apology for posting so (too?) much.

I wouldn't say you're posting "too much" - I might suggest that you proofread what you post a little more before you hit SEND. IMO, I found some material in your other post to be poorly worded, inane, naively assumptive, etc.

It was a simple statement of my experience. No more, no less. No hidden criticism or agenda.

Ok, but it was a stupid question. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, you think it Doesn't happen? Wouldn't you think it might have happened SOMEWHERE else in the country? And if you thought it might have happened regardless of you hearing about it, why did you bother to ask? Dumb conclusion OR Dumb question - take your pick.

As stated on the DEA website.

Yeah, that tells me a whole lot... :rolleyes: Btw, "inhalant" as referring to a category of drugs commonly abused is WAY DIFFERENT than an "aerosol" or a "pressurized consumer product" which is what you're trying to discuss the legality of - you're ignorantly mixing terms.

I would appreciate if you could make some specific suggestions (and I'm NOT being snappy). There is a lot of information on the web, but a lot of it is outdated, and even the newer stuff turns out to be plagiarized old information (down to the same typographical and stylistic errors). I'm not writing a paper or anything so I do not intend to spend a gigantic amount of time and effort on researching this.

Socratic learning. If you're not going to put in effort, then I'm not either (which means you're on the verge of being CLICKED).

I was mostly interested in how prevalent this problem actually is in law enforcement and what your professional experience with it is. I can read anything I want in books, but I was hoping to hear from actual LEOs here. That's all.

You are. It happens. Next topic.

I never had any intention of doing it.

I never said you did or do - I said MAYBE you did or your friends did because you made this assumptive statement - "I thought that was odd since at one point it seemed like it was evey kid's favorite past time." Wrong (again).

I'll keep looking. I believe you're correct that I am searching for the wrong terms. But I wish they would just refer to the actual law on the can/bottle rather than just putting some ominous warning on it: "Sniff this and bad things may happen and maybe someone somehwere might even somehow punish you."

That's ridiculous. Makes about as much sense as putting a law on a big mac wrapper saying that if you freeze this big mac and then put it into a sock and then hit someone in the head with it, you may be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, etal.

How do you recognize that an inhalant was abused (other than obvious signs such as typical containers)? Does it show up in the blood? Are officers trained to recognize the effects of all the different inhalants?

Google symptoms of inhalant abuse or drug use symptoms or something else like that. We don't have to recognize the difference between sniffing primer or clear coat or even between aqua net and miracle whip... :rolleyes:

I don't. But I cannot imagine anyone between 13 and 21, who is of average intelligence who was raised by humans, and has had average contact with other people and society, not knowing that drinking under 21 is illegal.

Guess what, doesn't matter if they know or not - it's still illegal. Ignorance of a/the law is not an excuse... :rolleyes:

I don't. I wrote "many MAY not". It is made pretty clear to kids that "weed is illegal. cocaine is illegal. heroin is illegal." Up until recently, and from my admittedly VERY limited experience and observation, there were no warnings about "nail polish remover is illegal if you sniff it, lighter fluid is illegal, RediWhip is illegal". Hell, mom put it on my birthday cake. How illegal can it be? I bet you could ask random adults on the street if huffing paint thinners was illegal (illegal, not just stupid/dangerous) and most wouldn't know the answer.

Again, it doesn't matter if they know or not. If it's Stupid enough - there's a good chance it might also be illegal. AND, show me the statute(s)/code(s)/law(s) where nail polish, lighter fluid, RediWhip, or some similar product is "ILLEGAL".

Admittedly not well-worded. Definitions and regulations appear to be changing constantly, and they certainly vary from state to state, and possibly from municipality to municipality. These are relatively new laws being incorporated into "old" codes. Of course it may just seem to me that way because the information available on the internet isn't terribly reliable. I'm not claiming to have seriously researched this. Again, I'm only interested in personal professional experiences.

It's obvious that you haven't "seriously researched" this from your ignorance. If you want to discuss the topic intelligently, I suggest you DO some "serious research" OR at least stop asking stupid questions and/or making dumb assumptions and erroneous statements.

I have never inhaled any substance with the intention of getting high (I did once inhale something that wasn't intended to be inhaled in large quantities out of stupidity. Not sure that counts). Have I known people who have? Yes. Did I partake? No. Did I stick around when they got high? No. My parents kept me on a leash too short to hang myself with.

I suspect you are at least 20 years older than me, so A LOT has changed between your youth and mine. Just look at how you guys dressed back then. :eek::rolleyes:;)

I probably AM 20 years older than you BUT, when I was your age, I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut about stuff I knew nothing about, ask intelligent questions, AND I was raised properly enough to respect my elders. :rolleyes:

[Samuel]

Somehow I knew someone was going to say that... I didn't expect it from you though since you initially gave me an honest answer.

Not wanting to point fingers here, but Samuel was the one who turned my innocent questions into a research assignment instead of sharing his vast on-the-job experience with someone who has none. ;)

Again, google Socratic Method or Socratic Learning. Take your flippant attitude and shove it up your gaping anal passage to keep your head company.

I'm a math major and other than simple statistics there's no benefit to this subject matter. It's not related to computer science either. I am taking some paralegal courses, but not criminal law since for the last few semesters it has conflicted with my mandatory classes. :mad:

So no, it's not a research paper or any other paper of any kind. It's intended to satisfy my natural curiosity. Samuel has just inspired/challenged me to turn it into more than that. Can't hurt, can it?

Anyway, I was just curious what the reality of your job was regarding this issue. And I am hoping to be a cop one day. That's all.

Why I initially even thought to ask this question is because we had a group of kids come to the store and buy nine cans of whipped cream and we ended up having a debate about how they are going to huff them (I thought whip-cream wrestle...), and how we shouldn't be selling them to kids in large quantities, and how the kids could be arrested or the cashier who sold them to them, etc.

Two reasons why I asked about huffing and the application process are that 1) it did strike me as odd that I couldn't find (m)any posts that dealt with the issue, but TONS of posts about MJ and hard drug use; and 2) I did have an "inhalation incident" as a kid and I was wondering if that would be an issue in the application process.

I apologize if my post came across as something it is not. I don't express myself too well sometimes.

In case you missed it embedded above:
Again, google Socratic Method or Socratic Learning. Take your flippant attitude and shove it up your gaping anal passage to keep your head company.

And a limerick for you:

I never finished my EE degree
Fourier transforms were a chore
Because you're HUA with attitude
I shall now put you on Ignore

::CLICK::

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Point taken. I'll keep that in mind.
It was a veiled apology for posting so (too?) much.

I wouldn't say you're posting "too much" - I might suggest that you proofread what you post a little more before you hit SEND. IMO, I found some material in your other post to be poorly worded, inane, naively assumptive, etc.

I will try to work on that, but I cannot guarantee that I won't post something else that false into those categories. I can only try.

It was a simple statement of my experience. No more, no less. No hidden criticism or agenda.

Ok, but it was a stupid question. Just because YOU haven't heard of it, you think it Doesn't happen? Wouldn't you think it might have happened SOMEWHERE else in the country? And if you thought it might have happened regardless of you hearing about it, why did you bother to ask? Dumb conclusion OR Dumb question - take your pick.

It wasn't a question at all, but a statement.

As stated on the DEA website.

Yeah, that tells me a whole lot... Btw, "inhalant" as referring to a category of drugs commonly abused is WAY DIFFERENT than an "aerosol" or a "pressurized consumer product" which is what you're trying to discuss the legality of - you're ignorantly mixing terms.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/inhalants.html
This is a very basic overview put in very simple terms so that people like myself will (hopefully) understand. Aerosols are only one of four categories of inhalants. I am talking about all those categories.

I would appreciate if you could make some specific suggestions (and I'm NOT being snappy). There is a lot of information on the web, but a lot of it is outdated, and even the newer stuff turns out to be plagiarized old information (down to the same typographical and stylistic errors). I'm not writing a paper or anything so I do not intend to spend a gigantic amount of time and effort on researching this.

Socratic learning. If you're not going to put in effort, then I'm not either (which means you're on the verge of being CLICKED).

I certainly appreciate the preparation for law school (should I ever make it there). I do appreciate the time/effort you are putting into this. I came here to learn, not to lecture. I'm sorry if I gave a different impression.

I was mostly interested in how prevalent this problem actually is in law enforcement and what your professional experience with it is. I can read anything I want in books, but I was hoping to hear from actual LEOs here. That's all.

You are. It happens. Next topic.

Umm...You pick one.

I never had any intention of doing it.

I never said you did or do - I said MAYBE you did or your friends did because you made this assumptive statement - "I thought that was odd since at one point it seemed like it was evey kid's favorite past time." Wrong (again).

I said it SEEMED like -- to ME. I didn't say that was indeed the case. How would I know? It's completely subjective. And as you said in a previous post, peoples beliefs/assumptions are largely influenced by the media, and I do remember a time when it SEEMED as if huffing was "everywhere". I am not stating this as fact.

I'll keep looking. I believe you're correct that I am searching for the wrong terms. But I wish they would just refer to the actual law on the can/bottle rather than just putting some ominous warning on it: "Sniff this and bad things may happen and maybe someone somehwere might even somehow punish you."

That's ridiculous. Makes about as much sense as putting a law on a big mac wrapper saying that if you freeze this big mac and then put it into a sock and then hit someone in the head with it, you may be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, etal.

That's not what I meant. I meant that instead of simply saying "Federal law prohibits..." [I'm sorry, but I cannot find a product in my apartment that actually has the warning on it, so I cannot give an accurate quote], it should reference the actual law, i.e. statute/section/paragraph (or whatever the proper terms for this may be) so that people can look up the actual wording rather than just having some generic statement on there without any definitions or explanations. I just think that they should cite the source.

How do you recognize that an inhalant was abused (other than obvious signs such as typical containers)? Does it show up in the blood? Are officers trained to recognize the effects of all the different inhalants?

Google symptoms of inhalant abuse or drug use symptoms or something else like that. We don't have to recognize the difference between sniffing primer or clear coat or even between aqua net and miracle whip...

Fair enough.

I don't. But I cannot imagine anyone between 13 and 21, who is of average intelligence who was raised by humans, and has had average contact with other people and society, not knowing that drinking under 21 is illegal.

Guess what, doesn't matter if they know or not - it's still illegal. Ignorance of a/the law is not an excuse...

I'm aware of that.

I don't. I wrote "many MAY not". It is made pretty clear to kids that "weed is illegal. cocaine is illegal. heroin is illegal." Up until recently, and from my admittedly VERY limited experience and observation, there were no warnings about "nail polish remover is illegal if you sniff it, lighter fluid is illegal, RediWhip is illegal". Hell, mom put it on my birthday cake. How illegal can it be? I bet you could ask random adults on the street if huffing paint thinners was illegal (illegal, not just stupid/dangerous) and most wouldn't know the answer.

Again, it doesn't matter if they know or not. If it's Stupid enough - there's a good chance it might also be illegal. AND, show me the statute(s)/code(s)/law(s) where nail polish, lighter fluid, RediWhip, or some similar product is "ILLEGAL".

I said SNIFFING it is illegal (again not well-worded, I must admit. And my sarcasm doesn't help either).

Admittedly not well-worded. Definitions and regulations appear to be changing constantly, and they certainly vary from state to state, and possibly from municipality to municipality. These are relatively new laws being incorporated into "old" codes. Of course it may just seem to me that way because the information available on the internet isn't terribly reliable. I'm not claiming to have seriously researched this. Again, I'm only interested in personal professional experiences.

It's obvious that you haven't "seriously researched" this from your ignorance. If you want to discuss the topic intelligently, I suggest you DO some "serious research" OR at least stop asking stupid questions and/or making dumb assumptions and erroneous statements.

I didn't so much want to "discuss" the topic, but rather hear from people who have "first-hand" knowledge of the issue. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I could engage in a serious debate with you or any of the LEOs here. I would have liked for you to share your knowledge rather than my posting the limited info that I have. I realize it was a mistake to include anything in my initial post that wasn't a simple question. I shouldn't have included any statements or assumptions or guesses.

I have never inhaled any substance with the intention of getting high (I did once inhale something that wasn't intended to be inhaled in large quantities out of stupidity. Not sure that counts). Have I known people who have? Yes. Did I partake? No. Did I stick around when they got high? No. My parents kept me on a leash too short to hang myself with.

I suspect you are at least 20 years older than me, so A LOT has changed between your youth and mine. Just look at how you guys dressed back then.

I probably AM 20 years older than you BUT, when I was your age, I was smart enough to keep my mouth shut about stuff I knew nothing about, ask intelligent questions, AND I was raised properly enough to respect my elders.

You are right, I don't always think things through or try to anticipate every single way my posts could possibly be (mis)interpreted before I submit them. I don't express myself clearly enough sometimes, I use humor when it's inappropriate, I make sarcastic remarks that are not recognized as such, I make statements without being able to back them up, I share personal information that's none of anybody's business, I talk about my feelings/impressions rather than cold-hard facts.

But this is a discussion forum and people ARE going to talk out of their arses sometimes. I don't think I'm the only one guilty of that. However, I will make an effort to let it happen less often and to a lesser extent. (And I'm sure there are plenty of points of attack for you in this very post...)

I'm 20. Is that an excuse for everything? No. But can you really expect me to know everything you know, or be as mature as you are, or have the same life experience that you have, or write or argue as well as you do? If your answer is yes then I wonder what you have been doing in the last 20 years? (friendly sarcasm)

Look, I have shown you a lot more respect and I have given your comments a lot more weight than I would with most random strangers on the internet. I wouldn't do this if I thought your ONLY reason for posting in this thread was to be hurtful.

I truly appreciate the time and effort you have put into this, and I don't take it for granted. I'll try to take your advice to heart.

Just don't expect me to age 20 years over night... (humor)

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Hmmm... my previous post was a work in progress while Samuel posted his. Just a FYI. It's a shame he'll never get to read it.

[Roger Dat]

No its actually a shame that you are AWARE of the PROBLEMS you have such as using humor at imappropriate times and they way you phrase and write things however you just keep it up.

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No its actually a shame that you are AWARE of the PROBLEMS you have such as using humor at imappropriate times and they way you phrase and write things however you just keep it up.

My shortcomings have been pointed out to me and I am trying to fix them, but I cannot break a bad habit overnight.

This may not be the proper venue to work things out, and if I am too much of a burden to everyone here, then I will stop posting.