Question about No Motorcycle Endorsement Citation

[c930]

So I had an unfortunate event right before new years where I got caught speeding and clock by aircraft in a speed trap on I-95 only 3 miles from home. I was going 80 in a 65 in Florida.

Now I understand about the speeding ticket as I was wasn't paying attention to the speed I was going but my main concern and question is in regard to my Criminal Infraction ticker of not having my motorcycle endorsement on me. I wasn't aware that I needed a license for a motorcycle I was under the impression that if I had my class E license that I could operate a motorcycle.

So now I have a court date for the beginning of February and I don't know what the consequences may be. Weather it's from paying fines or jail time? Now the Office that pulled me over said that if I were to get my endorsement before my court date then there could be a possibility of my case being dropped? Is this true in any way? If so what is the likeliness of this happening? I got my motorcycle endorsement 3 days after me getting the citation. (I didn't want to waste time getting it now that I was aware).

I would greatly appreciate all experiences and responses to this matter. Thank you very much in advance

[Taz_bb2]

Most likely the endorsement infraction will be dismissed. I've seen it happen before in FL. And you won't be the last to think that your Class E covers motorcycles. Most of the ones who came in for the same infractions had the endorsement dismissed, but paid full fines for the speeding. Expect the same.

Good job on going out and getting it right after. ;)

[c930]

Most likely the endorsement infraction will be dismissed. I've seen it happen before in FL. And you won't be the last to think that your Class E covers motorcycles. Most of the ones who came in for the same infractions had the endorsement dismissed, but paid full fines for the speeding. Expect the same.

Good job on going out and getting it right after. ;)

Thank you for that input. I can only hope that the judge see's the eagerness in me obtaining my endorsement just 3 days after the incident and dismisses my case as well. As for the speeding ticket I understand and agree to pay the fines. I just don't know if I should spend $1000 on a lawyer or just go in myself and explain my case.

[phantasm]

At least in NY, a lawyer can sometimes help, but is it worth $1000. Correcting the license endorsement problem should come into consideration in regards to that charge.

Also how was it speed trap? Did the speed limit suddenly drop by 20mph, and the signs were obstructed by a tree?

[Legoate]

e I got caught speeding and clock by aircraft in a speed trap on I-95 only 3 miles from home. I was going 80 in a 65 in Florida.

A speed trap indicates that the officers were attempting to catch you by some sort of trickery. What happened to you is you were caught well over an established speed limit. Look up the definition of "speed trap" before you start making these sorts of statements.

[c930]

A speed trap indicates that the officers were attempting to catch you by some sort of trickery. What happened to you is you were caught well over an established speed limit. Look up the definition of "speed trap" before you start making these sorts of statements.

speed trap - a trap arranged on a roadway for catching speeders

What you sir are referring to is called entrapment.

entrapment - a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

Just search what is a speed Trap and what is entrapment on google and see for yourself. I'de post links to the sources where I got the definitions above but I am not yet allowed to post Urls.


I'm not even an officer and I know that one. :D

The scenario I was in had to do with a bend on the interstate and a plane in the sky using the distance between lines on the road to determine speed. As I came up to the bend there were about 15 highway patrol vehicles with 5 of them having pulled over others already. This sir is what I and I'm pretty sure everyone else calls a SPEEDTRAP.

[Legoate]

speed trap - a trap arranged on a roadway for catching speeders

Well you could use your definition which you got from an unnamed source, or I could use my definition which comes from the actual vehicle code and most likely does not apply to the situation you described in your original post:

40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:
(1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(2) A particular section of a highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involved.

You also clearly admitted to speeding in your original post, so I'm not sure why you have a problem being cited for it. If you drove by a cop at 15 over the speed limit and he didn't pull you over, you should ask yourself why is that guy being paid just to sit on the side of the road and let people break the law.

I'm not even an officer and I know that one.

Yes, you know how to regurgitate information you read off of the internet without knowing whether or not it comes from a valid source. Impressive.

The scenario I was in had to do with a bend on the interstate and a plane in the sky using the distance between lines on the road to determine speed. As I came up to the bend there were about 15 highway patrol vehicles with 5 of them having pulled over others already.

And as you will find out in court, the use of aircraft has been well established over years of usage and has been upheld by the court in every case I have heard it used in. Despite what any 'get out of your ticket' website that you went to may have said, I've never seen one of these cases dismissed by a traffic judge.

This sir is what I and I'm pretty sure everyone else calls a SPEEDTRAP.

Who is this 'everyone' you are referring. Obviously not the police, the courts, or the legal system in general... which I think you'll find out are the only important 'everyone' with regards to the citation you were issued.

[SnapShawt]

Sometimes Google is NOT your friend. You found the commonly accepted definitions of a speed trap as perceived by the public. The problem is that they're wrong. Yes, all of them.

A speed trap is a situation in which, say, you're driving along and the speed limit drops to say 50mph, then within another unreasonable distance from that it drops to say 30mph, a distance that would not reasonably allow you to reduce speed to the new limit in such a time span.

Many officers being lined up on a roadway, or even sitting purposely out of view, is not a trap. They are simply enforcing a speed limit on a public roadway. They did not "trap" you or "trick" you into speeding. You did that all on your own. The fact that a lot of them are there to catch people such as yourself doing so is not a "trap".

Now to your incorrect definition of "entrapment". This occurs when a person is coerced either directly or indirectly into committing a crime when, given the opportunity absent the circumstances created by officers, that person would not otherwise have committed that crime. Let's say I come up to you and offer you a bag of weed for $10. You say okay, give me the $10, and take the weed. You have not been entrapped because you simply responded to an opportunity. However, if I come up to you, shove a baggie of pot in your hand and grab a $10 bill from you, and then charge you with it, then you've been entrapped.

You, sir, should know what sources to look at when attempting to understand things, especially specific matters related to certain professions such as medicine, law, etc. Sometimes Google ain't it. I could provide links to CORRECT defintions of a "speed trap" and "entrapment" as presented here, but I'm sure you can find them on your own.

[c930]

Well you could use your definition which you got from an unnamed source, or I could use my definition which comes from the actual vehicle code and most likely does not apply to the situation you described in your original post:

40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:
(1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(2) A particular section of a highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involved.

You also clearly admitted to speeding in your original post, so I'm not sure why you have a problem being cited for it. If you drove by a cop at 15 over the speed limit and he didn't pull you over, you should ask yourself why is that guy being paid just to sit on the side of the road and let people break the law.



Yes, you know how to regurgitate information you read off of the internet without knowing whether or not it comes from a valid source. Impressive.



And as you will find out in court, the use of aircraft has been well established over years of usage and has been upheld by the court in every case I have heard it used in. Despite what any 'get out of your ticket' website that you went to may have said, I've never seen one of these cases dismissed by a traffic judge.



Who is this 'everyone' you are referring. Obviously not the police, the courts, or the legal system in general... which I think you'll find out are the only important 'everyone' with regards to the citation you were issued.

lol you need to read more clearyl. Cause I clearly stated that I am not here cause of the speeding ticket but cause of the endorsement. As far as the speeding ticket goes I am well aware of the mistake and unfortunately they caught me when I was passing a vehicle and didn't get me once I had slowed down.

Btw Google is your friend. If you were to search for it then you would see that there are thousands of sources that clearly state my definitions I found above from Wikipedia. You clearly used the word trickery in your above post and if there is anything having to do with a cop instigating you into doing something illegal such as speeding just to pull you over it's called entrapment not a speed trap. Proven and dismissed case before.

Not to mention the office who wrote me the citation said clearly This is our new years speed trap there's nothing I can do about giving you a break sorry.

[lax854]

lol you need to read more clearyl. Cause I clearly stated that I am not here cause of the speeding ticket but cause of the endorsement. As far as the speeding ticket goes I am well aware of the mistake and unfortunately they caught me when I was passing a vehicle and didn't get me once I had slowed down.

Btw Google is your friend. If you were to search for it then you would see that there are thousands of sources that clearly state my definitions I found above from Wikipedia. You clearly used the word trickery in your above post and if there is anything having to do with a cop instigating you into doing something illegal such as speeding just to pull you over it's called entrapment not a speed trap. Proven and dismissed case before.

Not to mention the office who wrote me the citation said clearly This is our new years speed trap there's nothing I can do about giving you a break sorry.

you are an idiot, WIKIPEDIA is nothing more then online sources gathered into one website. "Because Wikipedia is an ongoing work to which, in principle, anybody can contribute, it differs from a paper-based reference source in important ways. In particular, older articles tend to be more comprehensive and balanced, while newer articles more frequently contain significant misinformation, unencyclopedic content, or vandalism. Users need to be aware of this to obtain valid information and avoid misinformation that has been recently added and not yet remove" good job detective, this is straight from the wikipedia website! this is for your remark of "Btw Google is your friend. If you were to search for it then you would see that there are thousands of sources that clearly state my definitions I found above from Wikipedia." If youre going to act like a wise a$$, i suggest you do some research first.

[phantasm]

lol you need to read more clearyl. Cause I clearly stated that I am not here cause of the speeding ticket but cause of the endorsement. As far as the speeding ticket goes I am well aware of the mistake and unfortunately they caught me when I was passing a vehicle and didn't get me once I had slowed down.

You're the one who said "speed trap" and who is defending it. If you're just asking about the endorsement, then the speeding should NOT have even been brought up.

[Legoate]

And as I said before- use a reliable source for your information... like the vehicle code for the state you are in.

Wikipedia is one of the more problematic sites for internet information. The information held by wikipedia can be edited and changed by any idiot who chooses to. You are not required to cite a source or even have a clue when posting.

[BJJVad]

After the first post, I really wasn't expecting yet another "A$$hat" to grace these forums. Apparently we are in a record high for internet know it alls.

Where is Big and the NWO?

[c930]

wow other than the first response. So much for getting a useful response.