can an auxiliary officer carry a firearm?

[Steve215]

i just applied to be an auxiliary officer, and am a licensed armed guard who has been throught the police gun training will the nypd allow me to carry as an auxiliar officer or are only the part-time and reserve officers allowed to carry?

[phantasm]

NYPD does not have part time or reserve officers. Auxillary's are unarmed. If licensed, even with a NYC permit, it would be either a work permit, while working as a security guard, a premise, or a CC of some type, which a uniformed PO does not carry a firearm concealed.

[Whitebear]

In ontario canada, they cant

[basher52]

NYPD does not have part time or reserve officers. Auxillary's are unarmed. If licensed, even with a NYC permit, it would be either a work permit, while working as a security guard, a premise, or a CC of some type, which a uniformed PO does not carry a firearm concealed.

Having a hard time trying to decifier, the last half of your last sentence. It is my understanding that if an AUX has a carry permit issued to him personally, not a target, hunting, premises or restricted carry (security guard, etc) they are permitted to carry their firearm concealed. It must not and cannot be displayed.

I believe the history for this began many years ago, when some well to do individuals, with CCW permits became AUX's. The owner of Sardi's Resaurant (mounted buff) comes to mind. The city felt there could be a liability issue, as they were authorized to carry (no restrictions back then) for their business and if they fell pray to violence coming or going the city could be held responsible. I know, its a stretch, but this was how it was explained to me 30 years ago. Don't know if it was changed or not. I have known several Aux's that carried (concealed) over the years. The ones I knew never publicized it, most were older gentlemen, business professionals.

[Joeyd6]

Having a hard time trying to decifier, the last half of your last sentence. It is my understanding that if an AUX has a carry permit issued to him personally, not a target, hunting, premises or restricted carry (security guard, etc) they are permitted to carry their firearm concealed. It must not and cannot be displayed.

NYPD regs say not on duty.

[Joeyd6]

i just applied to be an auxiliary officer, and am a licensed armed guard who has been throught the police gun training will the nypd allow me to carry as an auxiliar officer or are only the part-time and reserve officers allowed to carry?

Steve,

Let me smack you into reality.

1) You are a licensed armed guard. That means you took the New York State Armed Security Guard training program through an authorized PRIVATE firearms instructor. Your course was 40 hours.

2) You have been through police gun training? Where? When? The NYS Armed Course IS NOT POLICE GUN TRAINING. Not even close! I was an armed guard in NY in college and current law enforcement officer. Go clow your BS at somebody else.

3) No you won't be able to carry as a Auxiliary.

4) If you want to play cop, grow a setand apply to a police academy, get trained and do the job.

5) Don't post the same question in multiple places. Post in ONE place and wait.

[phantasm]

Having a hard time trying to decifier, the last half of your last sentence. It is my understanding that if an AUX has a carry permit issued to him personally, not a target, hunting, premises or restricted carry (security guard, etc) they are permitted to carry their firearm concealed. It must not and cannot be displayed.

I believe the history for this began many years ago, when some well to do individuals, with CCW permits became AUX's. The owner of Sardi's Resaurant (mounted buff) comes to mind. The city felt there could be a liability issue, as they were authorized to carry (no restrictions back then) for their business and if they fell pray to violence coming or going the city could be held responsible. I know, its a stretch, but this was how it was explained to me 30 years ago. Don't know if it was changed or not. I have known several Aux's that carried (concealed) over the years. The ones I knew never publicized it, most were older gentlemen, business professionals.

legally, if someone did manage to get a CCW permit for NYC, AND they additionally wanted to be a auxillary, it wouldn't be illegal under NYS penal law, but as Joeyd stated, against NYPD policy.

Someone in an NYPD uniform (or what appears to be) getting involved in a DPF situation with a firearm would be the liability of the city, whether or not that person is a sworn PO or an auxillary untrained in PD firearms & tactics. Its a liability issue.

[basher52]

My answer was good going back 12-15 years ago. It seems the rules have changed several times over the years.

The first change, abolished the ability of an AUX, who posessed a CCW to carry concealed in uniform. Next there were a few (still are) auxilliarys that were/are peace officers (I kid you not) and were still permitted to carry concealed, by virtue of their status. The next change that came for that group, required getting permission of the commanding officer, allowing them to carry concealed while performing Aux duties.

It is now my understanding (based on a phone call to a competent authority) that the last group has lost or are about to loose the right to carry concealed while in uniform performing aux duties.

While researching the above, I was dumbfounded after finding out we have correction, court and even a probation officer in the aux program.

[lax854]

legally, if someone did manage to get a CCW permit for NYC, AND they additionally wanted to be a auxillary, it wouldn't be illegal under NYS penal law, but as Joeyd stated, against NYPD policy.

Someone in an NYPD uniform (or what appears to be) getting involved in a DPF situation with a firearm would be the liability of the city, whether or not that person is a sworn PO or an auxillary untrained in PD firearms & tactics. Its a liability issue.

im sorry but i dont trust half the auxillary guys on the force to carry batons let alone guns.....im not being a jerk, but some just are absolutely clueless

[Steve215]

thank you guys for all of your feed back, it really helped alot. i know what you mean about not trusting some of the aux wit guns, alot of them aren't really serious about the job or do it for the wrong reasons.

[Steve215]

Steve,

Let me smack you into reality.

1) You are a licensed armed guard. That means you took the New York State Armed Security Guard training program through an authorized PRIVATE firearms instructor. Your course was 40 hours.

2) You have been through police gun training? Where? When? The NYS Armed Course IS NOT POLICE GUN TRAINING. Not even close! I was an armed guard in NY in college and current law enforcement officer. Go clow your BS at somebody else.

3) No you won't be able to carry as a Auxiliary.

4) If you want to play cop, grow a setand apply to a police academy, get trained and do the job.

5) Don't post the same question in multiple places. Post in ONE place and wait.

in my defense.

1) I took a 47 hour gun class which i was told was the same gun course the nypd go through, sorry i was lied to and never actually been through the nypd training so how would i know otherwise.

2) I'm not trying to play cop, I just want to help out in any way i can. I'm on the fdny eligibility list and am waiting to been called, i hope to some day be come a fire marshall. so in fact i do have a very nice set thank you very much!

3) The reason I posted this question in two different forums was cause I'm kinda new to forums and i first posted it in the security guard forum, then thought to myself " why am I asking other security guards". So thats when i posted it again on the "ask a cop" forum. And one more thing, please don't let the cop thing go to your head, just cause your a cop doesn't make you any better than me. I have the utmost respect for cops, but i hate the mo fo's that let the power go to their head. So if you don't have anything nice to say just keep it to yourself buddy.

[lax854]

thank you guys for all of your feed back, it really helped alot. i know what you mean about not trusting some of the aux wit guns, alot of them aren't really serious about the job or do it for the wrong reasons.

steve it is part of the reason.....ive noticed with alot of the auxillary guys that they are just SUPER buffs. To a point where youre gonna get yourself in trouble. I see it all the time, if you want to play police get the training to do so. Although the auxillary guys play a vital role in the police system, they serve a small role and some try to do more then they are trained to do and it gets them and others hurt.

[Steve215]

don't worry about me guys, i know my roll and will do what my superiors ask of me. I know that aux is no were near pd and never said it was. I just wanted to know if aux could carry, it does mean if i were to become an aux i will be using my gun for my aux duties. i know they mostly do parades and traffic, aux rarely make any kind of arrest so they never really need a gun. but honestly after what happen to those two aux officers last year, although it is highly unlikely that anything like that would ever happen again, i would like to carry a firearm for self-defense.

[Creeker]

.... I know that aux is no were near pd and never said it was. I just wanted to know if aux could carry, it does mean if i were to become an aux i will be using my gun for my aux duties. ....

It would seem to me that this issue would have been one of the first things mentioned in your training. :confused:

.... , i would like to carry a firearm for self-defense.

As would thousands of other upright citizens who have otherwise been made "alien" to their "inalienable" Right.

[MP_Steve]

in my defense.

1) I took a 47 hour gun class which i was told was the same gun course the nypd go through, sorry i was lied to and never actually been through the nypd training so how would i know otherwise.

2) I'm not trying to play cop, I just want to help out in any way i can. I'm on the fdny eligibility list and am waiting to been called, i hope to some day be come a fire marshall. so in fact i do have a very nice set thank you very much!

3) The reason I posted this question in two different forums was cause I'm kinda new to forums and i first posted it in the security guard forum, then thought to myself " why am I asking other security guards". So thats when i posted it again on the "ask a cop" forum. And one more thing, please don't let the cop thing go to your head, just cause your a cop doesn't make you any better than me. I have the utmost respect for cops, but i hate the mo fo's that let the power go to their head. So if you don't have anything nice to say just keep it to yourself buddy.

1.) Your writing and grammar suck.

2.) Don't argue with Joey. It won't end well.