Let's see...police officer or liquor control officer?

[lax854]

:rolleyes:well this case as just turned into the classsic will smith enemy of the state case. is that an affirmative defense anymore??? :D (sarcasm at its finest ppl, you dont get sarcasm like this anymore today)

[Creeker]

The officer in question dislikes me. We have had many interactions, prior to this case, in which he tried to get my clean record dirty.

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2. One night my bike ran out of fuel at a gas station. ... He told me to stand still with my hands above my head. I did so, and he put me in cuffs. ... He laughed and said, "what do I look like, your f***ing taxi driver?" ... Was there a break-in, and did the officer think I was a suspect, or did he just want to hassle me? I believe the latter.

3. ... He made a stupid snickering sound, and said, "you cant work in law enforcement if you have a criminal record". ...

There are several more instances, but he simply does not like me. Why? I have no idea, I always tried to be nice to him, but not anymore after this. I know for a fact he would give his left thumb for me to have a criminal record. I can tell. The way he smirked at me at the preliminary, and the way he acts towards me.

I want to say, ...this officer should not be a law enforcement official.

I know you aren't responsible for anything... and hence the problem.

It is pretty evident from your explaination of everything that you are quite a guy. Such a guy that a Cop actually goes out of his way to harrass YOU. I think this Cop is jealous of you, so much that he would risk his career and reputation to trump up charges against you.

Your Constable buddy should have explained the concept of the "Field Identification". It is the concept that when people are found walking on the road in the middle of the night that aren't usually found walking on the road in the middle of the night are identified and documented, the idea being that if something was discovered later to be amiss in the area, a suspect is already known. It is called being pro-active, and has been known to solve a myriad of later discovered crimes.

As for the comment, when I was in Patrol, I have made that one, myself... minus the expletive. It was primarily a response to people who wanted a favor after being as obstinate and disagreeable as they could without becoming disorderly. A ride home, in most Jurisdictions, is not one of your unaliable Rights.

So later on, you are being all cool-j and talking him up, and tell him you want to be a Cop. He tells you you can't have a record and be a Cop... because he assumed you would have a record, then it turns out he's wrong about you having a record.

I wonder why he assumed you'd have a record?:cool:

[dinarguy]

Any thoughts, jokes, or criticisms? Thanks.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

You posted asking for advice concerning whether you should go for a regular cop job or an alcohol enforcement job. Is the regular cop job with the same department as the officer who is 'harrassing' you? If so, do you really want to subject yourself to that type of working environment?


Please, please promise that you'll update us frequently with your application process. I'm eagerly awaiting the updates.

[dinarguy]

Any thoughts, jokes, or criticisms? Thanks.

[smcc360]

About a month later, another officer that I like, came to my house just to talk to me. We talked about 10 minutes and he asked if I wanted to come to the PD with him because he is getting off and he can drive me back home. I went with him in the cruiser to the PD. He gave me drinks/snacks and I was talking with the other LEO's and it was fun.

That sounds like an awesome first date. You guys should go see 27 Dresses; it was a nice movie.

[Taz_bb2]

... but I wouldnt be suprised if he would try and frame me for something terrible.

Since you are not a cop, you have NO IDEA what we have to go through to be sworn in. You have no idea the time and dedication required to make it through the academy, both physically and academically. You have no idea the legal ramifications of every action we take, and the possibility that one decision, such as the one Deputy Ken Tschudy made, could possibly end our career and land US in the slammer for many years.

With that being said, and the possibility that you will be unable to grasp this concept since you are not a LEO, what makes you think that you are so damn special that a cop would risk his livelihood, his family's security, his career, and quite possibly his FREEDOM, to frame a civilian, or anyone else for that matter, for something they obviously didn't do? Please enlighten me as to why a dedicated Officer would fabricate a case just to annoy the living sh&t out of a nobody in the grand scheme of things? Presuming that the Officer in question is doing his legally authorized job, watch someone long enough, see someone in the same area time and time again, or even in the area of past criminal activity that remotely resembles a person of interest...eventually people will do something to warrant some friendly questions.

It is our job to know what's going on in our areas. To do anything less is a disservice to the oath that we took and to the public we serve. It may not mean anything to you, but to those who have earned the title of Law Enforcement Officer, it is the very core of who we are and why we do what we do.

Maybe, if you are ever lucky enough to be chosen to be a LEO, you will understand this. Those that have walked the walk, that have attended friends funerals, that shed tears when LEO's they don't even know are killed, that cry unabashedly when children are victimized...we understand the honor and responsibility of this job. You are not there yet, if ever, so I don't expect you to understand this concept.

You really do need to stop watching the "cop" shows on TV. While there are some crooked cops out there, there are far fewer than you imagine.

[Super Six 5]

I am not "innocent", I am just not guilty.

I'd find an alternative career path. You're going to need to earn money somehow when both these job applications get filed in the pail.

[dinarguy]

Any thoughts, jokes, or criticisms? Thanks.

[tre8]

Well, I think you have an uphill struggle. At least for now, you're going to have a hard time getting hired with a misdemeanor case pending. Most departments won't take that chance.

It probably wasn't the best idea to post on an LE site and ask for advice while at the same time making accusations. As LEOs, we hear people accuse us of corruption on a daily basis. Keep in mind, most of the people that accuse police of wrongdoing have given the police a REASON to investigate and or arrest them. If you feel that this officer is targeting you, maybe you should figure out why you continuously have contact with this officer. Blaming the police for your problems does not help your cause.

You are also going to have to come up with a better reason why you want to become an LEO. " Loving LEOs" is probably not going to score you many points on an oral interview. Do some research before you throw your name in the hat (it sounds like you need to.) This is a unique field, and there are alot of things to take into consideration before taking the oath. All of the cool stuff shown in movies and COPS doesn't accurately represent the job as a whole. Be advised that with all of the vehicle and foot chases, drugs, and homicides, there is MORE paperwork, standing outside in inclement weather directing traffic, dealing with criminals, liberal attorneys, and paperwork, in addition to MORE paperwork. It isn't all fun and games. At any given time, someone could try to kill you, and you have to be mentally and physically ready for that kind of thing.


For now, you should keep your nose clean. Get your current case taken care of. With a theft charge, you can probably forget about becoming an LEO for a few years, and that's even if by some chance you are found not guilty. Get as much education as possible. Maybe join the military (if you are eligible.) I have to tell you though, if you are convicted of this theft ,you are going to have a really hard time getting an LEO job anywhere.


Lastly, don't become a mascot. By this I mean, don't be that snot nosed kid that hangs around the police station all the time, tries to kiss up to all of the officers, drops names every chance he gets, listens to his scanner and responds to officer calls to watch, does a ridealong EVERY chance he gets, and basically is a wannabe. It's good that you have a goal, but don't wear out you welcome. I can't speak for the rest of the LEOs on this board, but I know that a mascot is the last thing I like to see when I come to work. If you fall into this position, you will not be taken seriuosly, and officers will probably avoid you like the black death. Good luck to you

[tre8]

I didn't mean to make it one large paragraph.......for some reason it turned out that way. I'm not very computer literate. :D

[Taz_bb2]

but I DO know, however, that many officers abuse their powers, and either get disciplinary action, fired, or even worse, end up in prison for what they do. There ARE bad police. Is the officer I am talking about a "bad" officer? Who knows. I do know he has something against me, and that will never end.

And your empirical proof for this statement is...??? The VAST majority of LEO's are good, honest, respectable Americans doing a job that the majority of people either can't handle, stomach, or fathom.

There is a difference between MANY and the few that do abuse their powers and EVENTUALLY get caught. Your distinction in this should be made very clear before you paint with a broad brush.

Police everywhere do things that they shouldnt, but I am glad that there are more good police than corrupt police.

Once again, your empirical proof is what???? And now, which is it...more good police than bad or many that abuse. "Many" connotates a majority. Once again, make the distinction before grouping the many of us in with the few.

[GoDirectly2Jail]

I didn't mean to make it one large paragraph.......for some reason it turned out that way. I'm not very computer literate. :D

Aaaaagh! My eyes!! :p :D

[Taz_bb2]

I didn't mean to make it one large paragraph.......for some reason it turned out that way. I'm not very computer literate. :D

Owwwwww...my head hurts. Someone have some aspirin?? ;):D

[mcsap]

Your friendly Mod has taken care of the huge , long paragraph problem