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    Need Serious Advice Re: Possible Assault


    Okay, let me try to make this to the point. Recently my older brother broke up with a female he was seeing for 5 yrs. He is now seeing a NEW female friend and has seen ALOT of her, since.
    Around 2 weeks ago my brother woke up on his couch with his head actually surrounded by blood,so bad to the point where the pillow case was stuck to his head. It has slightly dried so it HAD to have been injured for a little while.
    He PANICKED when his dog woke him frantically, yet he had NO explanation other than the fact that, because he has a STRONG history of sleepwalking since he was a child...that he may have perhaps gotten up, half asleep to retrieve one of his dogs toys, under the table for instance which he constantly has to do...and hit his head BADLY, but in his state of sleep walking, didn't realize it and went and laid back down only to POSSIBLY become unconscious for some time.
    He searched and searched yet could find NO other explanation.
    Around a week later he came into contact with this EX female friend of his who stated that she "couldn't bear seeing another womans car in his driveway"....almost in a "stalker" tone of voice.
    My brother admits he is WAY wrong for doing this but he works double shifts and sometimes has a habit of falling asleep on the couch without locking his front door. This EX female friend KNEW this....PLUS if she HAD snuck into his open door while he was sleeping, the dog would NOT have alerted my brother as the dog was familiar with this ex friend of my brothers.
    EVERYONE seems to believe that the ex girlfriend actually came into my brothers house and assaulted him in his sleep because there are many rumors that she is becoming obsessed over the fact that he is seeing someone else.
    NO ONE can prove that this is what happened, but at the same time we cannot come up with ANY explanation.
    The ONLY reason my brother didn't make a police report then, is that he honestly thought he may have struck his head while sleep walking.
    What measures should and CAN he take now...without actually having proof, to protect himself?
    He does NOW have a security/camera system and ALL DOORS and WINDOWS will remain locked...but is there any kind of report he should make regarding this in case anything further..and God knows I PRAY NOT...should happen?
    Thanks so much...for any advice from a legitimate law enforcement officer.
    From a VERY Concerned sister

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    1- He went to the hospital? If not, he probably should have.

    2- Report it to the Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acreature View Post
    1- He went to the hospital? If not, he probably should have.

    2- Report it to the Police.
    ^^ what he said....at a minimum, the injury will be documented and having a health professional document the type of injury might lend weight to the sleepwalking/stalker theories.

    Filing a report, even if it's information only, gets it on record. If it's not written down, it never happened.
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    To ALL Replies...

    I just wanted to tell you all thank you...for your valuable input.
    Being hardheaded if you will...was a GOOD thing as far as my brothers head injury but unfortunatly it also applies to his BAD decision to NOT having made a police report.
    I think now though that such a HUGE majority of his friends have REAMED him for not doing so ...that is going to change immediately.
    I don't ever want this to get to the point where...something has to happen..before something can be done!
    thanks again,
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    Out of interest would you guys actually record this as a crime?! If anyone over here put that on the box as an assault the Sergeant wouldn't be best impressed - if he honestly believes he hit his head on a table then so be it, it's probably about as likely as his ex breaking into his home, past his dog, assaulting him in his sleep without waking him or getting savaged by said dog and then leaving :rolleyes:
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    With everything you said about his sleepwalking , I am NOT convinced that a crime occurred. The belief that SHE snuck in and beat the living daylights out of him seems somewhat farfetched. She would have had to strike him with GREAT force to render him continously unconscious etc.
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    Again, thanks to those who helped

    To those of you who considered the scenerio, in fact VERY MUCH possible, I thank you for your openmindedness.
    I myself consider if very MUCH a possibility....
    for someone to come into an unlocked door to encounter someone sleeping VERY soundly...
    as well as a dog that is familiar with you there fore would display any aggression with you being there...taking a few steps and striking someone once with a heavy object. Being in the medical field I can tell you that the head and face bleeds heavily when struck with blunt force which would explain the heavy bleeding as well as the rendering unconcious.
    Anyway...I wasn't here to embark in an advice question getting out of hand...but rather the regulations for reporting an incident AFTER the fact.
    Thank you.
    Last edited by Valor55; 11-18-06 at 11:46 AM. Reason: Standard font for readability.

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    After 20 yrs on the job , I am very open-minded. I am also pretty good at detecting a smell of a story. Although almost anything is possible, it would certainly seem that if he was truly struck with GREAT force , he would have had a substantial injury requiring ER treatment if not being admitted.

    Having been in the LE field , I have been to quite a few head injury calls , whether from a crash or an assault not to mention the couple of times I had a head injury requiring stictches.

    Simply because a person THINKS that they were the victim of a crime doesn't mean they were. If I don't think a crime was committed , the MOST I would do would be to take a brief report that a person may have been assaulted but could have done it themselves while sleepwalking or maybe their ex did it but there is NO proof and NO evidence to even support it.
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    Seems to me that you're certain that she's done this despite there being no evidence. Your brother was satisfied that he had done it himself until you persuaded him otherwise. I'm sure as hell that if I was sleeping and someone tried to cave my head in I'd be woken up by my dog tearing chunks of flesh out of them regardless of if he knew them or not.:D

    Being in the medical field I would've thought that if his injury really was that severe (particularly if you believed he'd been knocked unconcious) you would've dragged him to a hospital.

    The story is far fetched at best and there's a more likely alternative. It's no good being paranoid on your brothers behalf, particularly when you haven't told us anything that would support your fears :rolleyes:
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    I dont even know if most of us would do a general incident report at a later date. How far after the incident are we talking? A week, 2 weeks a month?
    If he didnt go to the E.R. for treatment then even if it WAS a crime it would be a misdemeanor in PA, no serious bodily injury, without a trip to the ER no judge would hold it as a felony. That is IF there was undisputable proof SHE did it.
    Bro needs to try to get a protection order against her. That usually requires a call to the police and then a trip to family court...
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    Just tell him to lock his door when he naps. :rolleyes:
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    I think it's probably a tumor and he was bleeding out his ear. Might wanna get that checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layd_Lo View Post
    To those of you who considered the scenerio, in fact VERY MUCH possible, I thank you for your openmindedness.
    I myself consider if very MUCH a possibility....
    for someone to come into an unlocked door to encounter someone sleeping VERY soundly...
    as well as a dog that is familiar with you there fore would display any aggression with you being there...taking a few steps and striking someone once with a heavy object. Being in the medical field I can tell you that the head and face bleeds heavily when struck with blunt force which would explain the heavy bleeding as well as the rendering unconcious.
    Anyway...I wasn't here to embark in an advice question getting out of hand...but rather the regulations for reporting an incident AFTER the fact.
    Thank you.
    Your story about what happened is a little out there. At least with out proof. Using your way of thinking, I have come up with another idea of what happened.

    You brother is asleep.drunk on the couch. (Even if the door is unlocked, weather or not he sleepwalks) While dreaming of large women, rolls off of the couch and hits his head on a coffee table/crack pipe/brick or any number of other things that could have caused a cut so small that it did not require a trip to the Dr. Being that he is a heavy sleeper/sleep walker, he got back up and went back to sleep on the couch. while sleeping, the cut caused by the fall bled on the pillow causing it to stick to his head. The dog, being used to your brother falling off of the couch did not react and attack your brother for the assault on himself.

    This story is a little out there. But between your story and mine, we have about the same amount of facts. That last word being a biggie. :cool:

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