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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnamon
    ,or at least get in there with you while both our butts are being kicked. What it comes down to is that I will never let a squad member hang...I'll be right there with you.
    That is the most important thing, whether you're male or female.

    Too many officers I've worked with, (M&F) stood at the side lines not getting stuck in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboyjim154
    Too many officers I've worked with, (M&F) stood at the side lines not getting stuck in.
    When that happens, you take that officer somewhere and have a little talking to! :cool:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnamon
    When that happens, you take that officer somewhere and have a little talking to! :cool:
    Cinn, if I was confronted with a lean, mean, female fighting machine like you, I'd surrender real quick!

    Which is a legitimate point. You keep yourself in condition. That's all that can be asked of any officer. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnamon
    When that happens, you take that officer somewhere and have a little talking to! :cool:

    I didn't have to in the most memorable incident.
    My (female) Insp advised one that perhaps the job wasn't for him.;).
    She was also on scene at the time and saved me from a kick to head from a rather large bleached blonde "hippocrocadillatroglet" a beer gut bigger than mine that made your average longshoreman look like a supermodel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken K
    Cinn, if I was confronted with a lean, mean, female fighting machine like you, I'd surrender real quick!
    LOL...it normally comes down to this...."Ok pal, you want the silver cuffs or the black cuffs?" They grin, tell me a color...and turn around to be handcuffed.

    This reminds me of a call about a month ago...security at a shopping center called about a drunk. This security manager is an ex cop with my dept...and a big dude. The drunk tried to fight with some citizens and this manager. So the manager tells me he will most likely fight. As we walk up to him, he tenses up when he sees the manager, then sees me and just gives up (and also had a big smile on his face). I've dealt with him before numerous times. He once told one of the guys on my squad that I "was tight but feisty" ....LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnamon
    I "was tight but feisty" ....LOL
    Bahahahahahahaha......I am just going to leave that alone....:D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcat06
    Bahahahahahahaha......I am just going to leave that alone....:D
    good boy...move along folks....nothing to see here!
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    The first time I ever encountered a female Officer, she was working in the jail. She's about 5'5", 110lbs. She had some drunk pinned against the counter kicking the crap out of him. (and doing an exceptionally well job at it I might say).




    3 years later we ran off and got married. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piggy
    The first time I ever encountered a female Officer, she was working in the jail. She's about 5'5", 110lbs. She had some drunk pinned against the counter kicking the crap out of him. (and doing an exceptionally well job at it I might say).




    3 years later we ran off and got married. :D


    As long as you understand what she's capable of... you'll LIVE happily ever after! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by TPDHellhound
    As long as you understand what she's capable of... you'll LIVE
    Exactly....that's why I don't mouth Cinn....:D

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    Back to the original post. Like everyone else said it's all about doing the job either you can or you can't. It's that easy. I know several females I work with that I would much rather have back me up then some of the guys we have.

    One thing I really like about my agency is that at the academy everyone does the same P.T. the 1 1/2 mile run is 13 minutes for everyone. no set time for guys and a different time for girls. Treated everyone the same in the redman suits as well. A few girls got hit for the first time during that. Kind of woke them up to what it would be really like. Come to think of it several guys got hit for the first time as well. Like I said equal treatment for everyone.


    As far as the bathroom thing goes we had that when I first got here. 1 female and 20 males. Our bathrooms became uni-sex real quick when a few of us started to complain about why we had to wait on the bathroom, only one person at a time, when there was an empty one next to it and no females on duty (they gave her and the supervisor the only keys :confused: ) Now were all just one big happy family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BP348
    One thing I really like about my agency is that at the academy everyone does the same P.T. the 1 1/2 mile run is 13 minutes for everyone. no set time for guys and a different time for girls. Treated everyone the same in the redman suits as well. A few girls got hit for the first time during that. Kind of woke them up to what it would be really like. Come to think of it several guys got hit for the first time as well. Like I said equal treatment for everyone.

    I wish we were that way.:mad: We lowered ours for a while so bad that we had a little woman who wasn't strong enough to pull the trigger on a revolver. That wasn't learned until she got to the academy. It created a lot of animosity on my dept because we also hired some pretty puny men too.

    For a while, we had a number of people who were absolutely worthless on the street in any kind of a beef and often would never show up on a call where it might be dangerous. They always seemed to get "flagged down by a mysterious citizen" enroute. Most were moved off the street to drone jobs and others were promoted rapidly.:rolleyes:

    I have to blame a lot of the older guys though too because many did the protecting big brother BS and a lot of the little people were never given the opportunity to get their asses kicked. I suspect some would have quit if they'd had to have actually mixed it up with some jerk instead of a Sir Galahad always showing up.

    It's much better now because we have enough women that they are no longer a novelty and the brass isn't as worried about having enough numbers. Women are more expected to carry their own weight than they used to be. Also they got more realistic about the physical agility test and brought the standards back up some. Frankly, I don't know what it consists of now.
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    The way I see it...we need every type of cop out there. Yes, when the sh!t is on, I want the biggest baddest cop to back me. But there are many times that I can go into a situation and take complete charge of it. Instead of 3 male officers fighting someone, I can talk someone into giving themselves up without a fight. It depends on if I'm called the devil or not of course.

    Suspects are always sizing me up...and I know they're thinking, "I can probably take her, but she is a bit feisty, I wonder what moves she knows?" And then my "momma voice" comes out too...and that can make any guy cringe!
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    I've worked with some women that were hopeless and an embarrassment to the uniform.

    I have also worked with some men like that.

    I have a dream list of cops that would make my perfect team. One on that list is a female cop that was one of my first mentors. She was in her early 20's at the time (about 5 years my junior butin the job for a few yaers - she joined young), not real big, and a pretty blonde Princess type (to those who didn't know better). When it turned ugly though, she was first in there and gave the big burly guys a run for their money. She had my back several times and my respect forever, and not because she was a good girl cop, but because she was a good (no make that great) cop. I still remember fondly the day we encountered a drunk who got up in her face. As a guy, I thought I should stick up for her and went to intervene. She flew off the handle at him and got back in his face it not only took the drunk by surprise and had him apologising in no time, but I was afraid to make any sudden moves around her for a while. Needless to say I never felt obliged to "stick up for her" again. She could hold her own, and she taught me a lot about being a cop.

    She is not the only female cop on my dream list.

    You get paid the same as me, you do the same work as me, no excuses, no buts, no maybes. You work as hard as me (or sometimes harder if I am having an off day) then you have my respect, male or female.
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    i've worked with some females that had little man syndrome. they got me into more fights. i hated it when they showed up. they would start running their mouths off and escalate any problems i was trying to resolve.

    i watched another female trying to prove herself. she had wrestled this guy to the ground and had him cuffed, but she was struggling to keep him on the ground because he was trying to get up and run and spit at her. i rolled up as the assist and went over to him, put my foot on his back at the base of his neck and told her to take a break. i never put a hand on the guy and he had no way of getting up. she was covered in blood all the way up to her elbows.

    there are things you can do to leverage your size and stature. there are also things you shouldn't do to compensate for your size and stature. just use common sense and be a good cop. that's all any of your co-workers will ask of you.

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