A stupid question.

[DB839282]

I was curious. When you see all these ACLU or other civil rights people's "tips" on how to handle police encounters, one thing always strikes. They always say to not admitt to anything.

So when you get pulled over for speeding and if the officer asks do you know why you were pulled over, say NO. Even if you know you were.

Now, part two is I thought it was against the law to lie to an officer. (could be wrong there, not the first time) So by denying things, in essence, arent you lieing and comitting a crime right there?

Or am I way off?

Thanks for letting me waste your time.

[mjohns2]

I'm not a Police Officer, yet, but I have a response that might help to your initial question:
The Police would have to show proof that you knew that you were speeding, ran a red light, etc. Also these "crimes" are simple infractions. I say that only because, technically, these infractions don't require Maranda Rights read.

Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training

[Whitebear]

If i intercept a vehicle who missed a red light or a top sign and its very evident that he did it, and he tells me that he doesn't know why he is intercepted it will be a bigger pleasure for me to give him his ticket with a big smile. But if the guy tells me the thruth and a very good justification, maybe ill give him a chance

[Wombat311]

I'm not a Police Officer, yet, but I have a response that might help to your initial question:
The Police would have to show proof that you knew that you were speeding, ran a red light, etc.

I don't have to show proof that you knew you were doing anything wrong at all. You might not have seen the light change from green to amber to red, but that's not my problem. You get a ticket just the same. That goes for speeding too. By the time I pull you over, the offence is already complete, and it doesn't matter what your excuse/reason is.

For giving bad advice, you get a red from me.

[DB839282]

Alright, maybe the speeding one was a bad example.

But isnt it pretty much any crime lawyers tell you to just shut your mouth and deny?

Arent they telling you to do something illegal right there?

Or do lawyers not tell you to "deny" but just say I'm not talking?

I guess I am just believing for some reason that when you deny something, you're automatically lieing, then if you end up being arrested and put on trial that another crime that can be added is the lieing to an officer one, but I never hear of people being charged with that.

[Kimble]

For giving bad advice, you get a red from me.

For making Wombat angry (and giving out bad info), you get red from me. :p

[mjohns2]

For giving bad advice, you get a red from me.

lol, I meant to put that the police wouldn't have to show proof since it was a simple infraction.

And I guess the disclaimer "Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training" didn't help either.

Edit: How do I fix the red and change it back to green?

[RO56]

The Police would have to show proof that you knew that you were speeding, ran a red light, etc.

Wrong.

Also these "crimes" are simple infractions. I say that only because, technically, these infractions don't require Maranda Rights read.

So any "crimes" other than "simple infractions" require that Miranda be advised?

Wrong.

Many misdemeanors that are more than a "simple infraction", but less than an offense, do not require interrogation after custodial arrest.

Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training

One out of three ain't bad ... :rolleyes:

[Jay7376]

And I guess the disclaimer "Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training" didn't help either.

Then maybe you shouldn't be answering questions... by the way, its spelled Miranda not Maranda

don't require Maranda Rights read.

[Wombat311]

Alright, maybe the speeding one was a bad example.

But isnt it pretty much any crime lawyers tell you to just shut your mouth and deny?

Arent they telling you to do something illegal right there?

Or do lawyers not tell you to "deny" but just say I'm not talking?

I guess I am just believing for some reason that when you deny something, you're automatically lieing, then if you end up being arrested and put on trial that another crime that can be added is the lieing to an officer one, but I never hear of people being charged with that.

Lawyers here tell the crooks to answer 'no comment' during interview. Denying it and lying is great for me, see if you can figure out why and it's not because that is an offence. An admission is fine, but the thing about admissions is, it's just a good start. I may lose that interview at trial/contest during the voir dire which means he may as well have said 'no comment'.

Lying on statements and in court will get you charged with perjury. Giving me a false name and address will get you charged with Stating a False Name/Address When Required.

Other than that, telling me you weren't at the scene, etc, when in fact you were, is not a crime.

[mobrien316]

I'm not a Police Officer, yet, but I have a response that might help to your initial question:
The Police would have to show proof that you knew that you were speeding, ran a red light, etc. Also these "crimes" are simple infractions. I say that only because, technically, these infractions don't require Maranda Rights read.

Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training

Why would you try to BS your way through this answer on a police message board? Did you think no one would notice how horribly incorrect your answer was?

Other than the part about how you may be far off from the truth, the rest of your answer is completely wrong in every respect.

It would probably be wise to refrain from answering these types of questions in the future. It might also be a good idea to refrain from answering any questions, about any topic, when you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

:rolleyes:

[DB839282]

Other than that, telling me you weren't at the scene, etc, when in fact you were, is not a crime.

Ok thats what I was unclear about, thanks.

[MetPC]

But isnt it pretty much any crime lawyers tell you to just shut your mouth and deny?

They usually just tell you to STFU. Sometimes we do the same:D

[Wombat311]

lol, I meant to put that the police wouldn't have to show proof since it was a simple infraction.

And I guess the disclaimer "Keep in mind I may be far off from the truth, but that's the best I can do without proper training" didn't help either.

Edit: How do I fix the red and change it back to green?

Ok, here's the mail champ;
1. What you meant to do and what you actually did churn out two completely different meanings -

The Police would have to show proof that you knew that you were speeding

The sentences are quite different so I don't believe that for a second. You ballsed it up and are backpedalling.


2. If you think you may be far off from the truth, and don't have proper training - keep your trap shut.

3. You don't fix the red and turn it back into green, others do. You get 'rep' based on your posts from other members. Make good posts, get good rep, make bad ones and you've already seen the result of that.

If I could, I'd red you again.

[Wombat311]

Ok thats what I was unclear about, thanks.

You're welcome. Happy to help. ;)