DC LAW gave me the idea for this thread. If you see a fellow officer doing a minor traffic violation IE 10 mph over (this being said before hand, it's not speed but awareness that kills) would you ticket said officer? I realize that alot of you won't want to answer this due to inter-office politics, but now my interest is peaked. How large is the grey area? I also realise the person you ticket may well be your life-line/backup on the next call. Does that factor into the equation? That being said, having known quite a few Lubbock city PD I've never seen them being pulled over going 20 over on the loop 289 (main thouroughfare) while civilians are. This was also a question during my oral interview. I said, "Yes, the law is the law, just because you enforce a law doesn't make you exempt" (see US Constitution). Police chief Vasquez asked, "Would you ticket my wife for that". I said, "Yes sir, the law is the law and it applies to everyone, your wife is a citizen just like mine". I got into an arguement with an officer (fat and out of shape, (not naming any names)unless you see round as the perfect shape) about this situation, I upheld my position and he eventually quitted down. Was I right? This is up to interpretation I'm sure. However, I'd really like you're input/interpretation of this. Having been a civilian/marine with 0/zero citations/pullovers and soon to be a LEO myself (4/1/05) I would really like to know. Do you or don't you?
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03-20-05 08:08 AM #1
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Do you ticket fellow officers?
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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03-20-05 08:20 AM #2
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I have in the past, including a Drink Drive matter in a department vehicle. I would not ticket a member driving a police vehicle on duty for anything other than Drink Drive..
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No...
Short and clean answer....:D
I don't ticket fellow officer...
Unless it's a clear abuse of his authority...
So the answer is NO BUT.... I would ticket an officer that is abusing his authority and that is regularly caught speeding ... Or another one showing attitude. The answer is no but it is not an automatic.
I'm not so sure that the answer to your question is "The law is the law"....
You will eventually learn that using Common sense and good judgement is your best friend in LE community...
I'd say use your judgement first.
Writting down a ticket is about the only area where an officer still have a discretionnary power to enforce or not! I'd say people would hate us pretty much should we not use that discretionnary power every day...
You'd be surprised to find out how many people gets a break every day in NOrth America. I personnaly give more break then I write people.... But If I decide to write.... Then so be it!:D
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HUMMMMMM .... how can I delete my first post???
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03-20-05 08:31 AM #5
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Sucks not being able to edit on this forum.
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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03-20-05 08:36 AM #6
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I'll PM you my answer.
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03-20-05 08:38 AM #7
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Very cool. Appreciated. Apologies for the inter-politics crap.
Originally Posted by Wombat311
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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Originally Posted by Wombat311
Ho no!!! I was interested in your answer!!! :D
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03-20-05 08:41 AM #9
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This subject has been covered ad nauseam on the board already...do a search for "professional courtesy" for the list of previous threads. They usually degrade into flame wars.
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In a open public board... :D
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03-20-05 08:47 AM #11
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I apologize for strting this thread then. I didn't realise it was such a divisive issue. If you want to feel free to PM me all ideas and opinions. Mods please close thread. Rip it up Butter my man!
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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No need to apologize, really. I just didn't want to see your thread get hijacked with a bunch of flames. Sorry if that last post came off as rude, didn't mean for it to be. I PM'ed you an answer to your question...hope you got it.
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03-20-05 09:11 AM #13
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No citi you didn't come off as rude, I just don't want to cause any grief with the LEO's here. They have enough crap to deal with on the job than deal with it on a message board that is supposed to be "fun". Apologies.
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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03-20-05 09:13 AM #14
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PS nice avatar man, you play SWG?
I'm Hub McCann. I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, killed many men and loved only one woman with a passion a flea like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. Now, go home, boy!
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03-20-05 09:40 AM #15
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I let lots of people go for all kinds of different reasons on traffic violations. Why not cops too? If cops gave tickets for every traffic violation we witnessed there would be a revolution in this country. It's called discretion and barring attitude problems I extend it to cops and their immediate families.
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