Post office carry part 2!

[txinvestigator1]

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One other item with that Federal Law is that is says the "Lawful Carrying of a Firearm" and that basicall says there must be a Federal Law that says you can carry a firearm.

The States CCW does not provide a Lawfull reason in relation to Federal Laws.

Who says? Not that your word is not good enough, but who ELSE says?

[Ranger__101]

Ya know Tex.. Very true. I can only call'em like I read the case law. I must leave rest up to the Federal Judges wo decide the cases. That and our Federal Laws are quite confisuing for those who have tried to dig though the CFR's to fine the right statue. Considering that each agency with with executive authority can basically create a new law by posting it the in Federal Register and following that process.

Just for kicks I though I'd throw in the definition of Lawfull to do the best I could to back up one of my arguements that in order to be "lawfull" it must be written in the laws as being permitted.

1. Conformable to law; allowed by law; legitimate; competent. [1913 Webster]

Syn: Legal; constitutional; allowable; regular; rightful.

Usage: Lawful, Legal. Lawful means conformable to the principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is applicable to moral as well as juridical law. Legal means conformable to the letter or rules of the law as it is administered in the courts; conformable to juridical law. Legal is often used as antithetical to equitable, but lawful is seldom used in that sense. -- Law"ful*ly, adv. -- Law"ful*ness, n. [1913 Webster]

I understand part of Norms view what that just because this said :

Title 18, United State Code, Sec. 930. - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

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d. Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

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3. the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

So I figured I throw in the definition of Lawful to show that it must be permitted by law and from reading the link that Norm put up, they were looking at it as saying, since the statue does not say that I can't, there for I can. .


Mabe that it why a lot of lawyers are strange. They've got to look at Federal Laws and figure out is that law the minimum or maximum? What does it really mean?

Even some times... Were they drunk when the passed that law?

[Deputy757]

So I figured I throw in the definition of Lawful to show that it must be permitted by law and from reading the link that Norm put up, they were looking at it as saying, since the statue does not say that I can't, there for I can.

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I can see it the other way too.
Lawful means conformable to the principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is applicable to moral as well as juridical law.
The whole point of the law is to be able to deter and/or punish people who bring firearms onto federal property who are doing so either illegally OR for some criminal purpose. If a person with a valid CCW, who has no intent of criminal behavior whatsoever, brings it in..then I think you could say they are doing so lawfully. I believe it conforms to the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

[Norm357]

I know what you are saying here but I disagree that you shouldn't ask police officers their opinions, especially if they are officers in the area in question. The DA may know what the law says but the officer is going to know how he/she is going to enforce it (warning, citation, arrest, etc.). Of course, one should always keep in mind that not all officers think alike!

I cannot disagree with that. It just has been my experiance (YMMV of course)
that the average cop on the beat does not know the ccw laws very well. Thats why they carry that big ole code book around. My wifes state code book has to be five inches thick!

[txinvestigator1]

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I can see it the other way too.
Lawful means conformable to the principle, spirit, or essence of the law, and is applicable to moral as well as juridical law.
The whole point of the law is to be able to deter and/or punish people who bring firearms onto federal property who are doing so either illegally OR for some criminal purpose. If a person with a valid CCW, who has no intent of criminal behavior whatsoever, brings it in..then I think you could say they are doing so lawfully. I believe it conforms to the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

Thats my point.

Ranger_101, thanks for the post. Its a good read.

[scott715us]

When it comes to my airport, although you may be a law-abiding CCW-holding citizen, you break the law the minute you come in our building carrying a weapon (as stated by the signs posted on the front). You can fight it till your blue in the face, but, at least in my state, you won't win in the courtroom on carrying a weapon in the airport where posted as prohibited.

Not that I go lookin for folks carrying weapons to arrest, but those that usually walk through the security checkpoint with weapons are CCW holders. They get hit with not only local charges of carrying where prohibited and there weapon(s) seized, but a minimum $3k fine by the Transportation Security Administration.