CCW & PI question.

[George]

I'm in the southern part of Missouri and would appriciate any answers from any LEO on the site.


Anyways, my cousin is a fugitive recovery agent and a PI (this I have yet to see proof), but anyhoo...

Recently he has got a CCW for his 9mm and claims that he can carry ANY weapon including throwing knives that are about 6 to 7 inches in length and conceal it and I was curious if he is full of it or not.

Also, what kind of cert. does one need to be a PI? Any specific ones?

And can a PI arrest someone that commits a crime in front of them, like police do or whatever? LOL.

Thanks again. :D

[retdetsgt]

I think your cousin is full of both **** and himself.

[George]

Well, I may have to agree with ya there. LOL

For one, he claims he is just 4 points away from being insane, can black out at any time and hurt someone, is on medication, and still some how managed to get a gun, permit, cert. for the FRA and such. LOL.

I tell ya, there is something missing in all this.

[scott715us]

I'm not sure about your state, but I'll tell you how it works here. I really don't know much about becoming a PI. As far as arresting someone, he doesn't have any more authority than a regular citizen. If he decides to arrest someone (or attempt to) in TN, he would be making a citizen's arrest, nothing more. A PI does not carry anywhere close the same arrest powers as an LEO. With a concealed carry permit, he would likely only be able to carry what he has been certified to carry. The other items he mentioned (knife, club, whatever), if he hasn't been trained to use them, he probably could run into some trouble. You can't get a CCW in TN unless you go through the approved gun-safety course with the weapon you plan to carry. If he decides to carry a butterfly knife and stabs someone, I guarantee the attorney for the victim will have a hay-day with him. Hope this helps. ;)

[George]

Now if it were the same here as in TN, would he be allowed to hand-cuff someone and transport or detain them to the police station or till the polcie got there?

Never really read much on the C.A. laws. Thanks.

[Citicop]

George-

The newly passed Missouri Concealed Weapons Law applies ONLY to firearms. Knives, Brass Knuckles, etc... are not covered by it and are still illegal if in violation of the State Statute.

I am not aware of any State requirements to become a Private Investigator in Missouri.

A Private Investigator has NO arrest powers beyond that of a normal citizen in Missouri. (That is to say that statute allows for the use of force by a private citizen to make an arrest of a person whom he reasonably believes to have committed a crime and who in fact has committed such crime .)

Please Note: What the statute allows and what is a good idea are not always the same thing. In addition to being dangerous and stupid to make a citizen's arrest under most circumstances, the statute is clear that as a citizen, you HAVE to be right. If the person you arrest turns out not to have done anything, you can be held responsible civilly (ie. violating his civil rights) and criminally (ie. Unlawful Restraint/ Arrest, Kidnapping, Assault, etc.)

Hope that helps-

Citicop.

[JD45]

Now if it were the same here as in TN, would he be allowed to hand-cuff someone and transport or detain them to the police station or till the polcie got there?

Never really read much on the C.A. laws. Thanks.

I'm not from your state, but I can't see ANY state letting any P.I. detain, arrest and transport someone to a police station.

As mentioned above, if he's not trained in the use of handcuffs and screws up someone wrist or nerves....say bye, bye to your house etc.

As far as transporting goes? In his case that would be called kidnapping.

[Deputy757]

Anyways, my cousin is a fugitive recovery agent ....

This was enough said! Get ready to start visiting him at your local state reformatory!

[scott715us]

Now if it were the same here as in TN, would he be allowed to hand-cuff someone and transport or detain them to the police station or till the polcie got there?

Never really read much on the C.A. laws. Thanks.

He could handcuff someone and hold them. When I worked retail loss prevention, I did the exact same thing when people shoplifted. Most cases I wouldn't have to use handcuffs, but I did on some occassions. Any private citizen can use handcuffs to effect a citizens arrest. But you better be damn sure you are "in the right." False imprisonment and other charges could come quick if you screwed up.

[scott715us]

I'm not from your state, but I can't see ANY state letting any P.I. detain, arrest and transport someone to a police station.

As mentioned above, if he's not trained in the use of handcuffs and screws up someone wrist or nerves....say bye, bye to your house etc.

As far as transporting goes? In his case that would be called kidnapping.

We were trained on how to use handcuffs. I am with you JD about transporting someone. I never would. I will have to look it up today when I go into work. I do have the state codes about private arrest. I wanted to be pretty up to par on it when I worked LP. ;)

[CTDL92]

For one, he claims he is just 4 points away from being insane, can black out at any time and hurt someone, is on medication, and still some how managed to get a gun, permit, cert. for the FRA and such. LOL.

Check with the issuing agency for the CCW, but in PA the sheriff issues and can refuse issuance or revoke an issued permit to an individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety. Tell the sheriff what your cousin told you and maybe he'll find it just as odd and do the right thing.

[bhanson]

George-

The newly passed Missouri Concealed Weapons Law applies ONLY to firearms. Knives, Brass Knuckles, etc... are not covered by it and are still illegal if in violation of the State Statute. Citicop.

Actually the statute DOES allow knives and other weapons to be carried concealed:

Some sections deleted to conserve space:

Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

(8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

[Star]

I think your cousin is full of both **** and himself.

^^^ I'm with him^^^

I'm not from your state, but I can't see ANY state letting any P.I. detain, arrest and transport someone to a police station.

As mentioned above, if he's not trained in the use of handcuffs and screws up someone wrist or nerves....say bye, bye to your house etc.

As far as transporting goes? In his case that would be called kidnapping.

^^^and him^^^

[Johninaustin]

^^^ I'm with him^^^




^^^and him^^^

I'm with all of them.:D

[Babysmamadrama]

George, I know he is family, but you need to stay far, far, away from your cousin. He sounds dangerous to everyone around him, and all the coppers I know hate bounty hunters because they want to be coppers without the work and knowledge.