I just wanted some input because I obtained some info from a local officer that said he can carry his sidearm with him when he rides with a buddy in another state on a ride-a-long.
1) Is this true, are you allowed to carry when just ridign with a officer at another department out of state?
2) Would your Sheriff, Chief, or Commander allow this to happen?
Just checking y'all.
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09-14-04 01:44 PM #1
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LEO carring gun on ride-a-long with other agency.
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09-14-04 02:08 PM #2
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it all depends on the policies of the agency. i would imagine out of state would be a no. in state maybe. feds might be different due to jurisdictional issues. sergeants get paid the big bucks to make those decisions.
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09-14-04 02:27 PM #3
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well......isn't it legal for an officer to carry in all 50 states? I know there would be no jurisdiction but I would think for defense purposes it would be ok?
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09-14-04 02:37 PM #4
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true, but would you be acting as a citizen or as an officer. I doubt most depts would back up their officer if they got into a shooting in another state. Different laws etc. The dept letting them ride would have to assume liability for the rider and for any actions that he may take.
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09-14-04 02:42 PM #5
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Yep, depends on the dept rule...you can by law, but the dept may not allow it
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I have done a couple ride alongs in the past and had no issues carrying. However, as a fed criminal investator, we get availability pay and we are never really "off duty". It was never even addressed by the guys I rode with.
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My department has a policy against it, but I am not going to pat search a fellow leo to see if they are carrying or not.
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If I was going to do a ride along with another PD, I would NOT carry. I would ask how to disengage the shotgun from the rack in an emergency though. I would not permit another LEO riding with me to carry though , dept. regs.
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I have done a lot of ride-alongs in state with friends that work for other agecenies and never have had a problem. Actually no one brings it up.
If someone that is LE rides with me and is carrying, I have no problem with it. We don't actually have a dept. policy on it.
I would say it would be based on a dept. policy or what a supervisor tells you to do....
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For you guys that say no, what about feds on LEAP? Meaning we are always on duty. Also, USMS can work state cases without UFAPing them, so there is never a jurisdicitional issue... add to that fact that in most states we are PEace Officers, too.
Does that change anything?
Hell, I don't go to the grocery store without a gun, you'd be hitting the booze too hard to think that I would do a ride-along without one. :DWe bring evil things to evil people, kicking in a door near you!
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Okay, new policy:
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Hey! I am not looking for preference... I am asking a legitimate question. What reason could there be for me not to carry on a ride-along? In all truthfullness, I don't think the ones I did were regarded as ride-alongs. On all 3 occasions, the guys I rode with said to wear a raid shirt, a shirt well marked on the front, back and sleeves (for the long sleeved shirt),
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The best reason I can give all centers on dept liability. If my rider was a leo, hell yes i want them to be carrying. If the **** hits the fan and you end up in that shooting you didn't plan on, what will your dept say? Most every agency has a policy for riders and it is there to cover their ***.
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I guess if a Fed said they were on duty
, it wouldn't be a problem.
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This is exactly how I feel. Barring a department policy forbidding it, I don't see why any LEO would have a problem with another LEO carrying during a ride-a-long (in or out of state). In fact, since what DC posted is true about 95% of the time, I also allow civilians who hold a CCW permit to carry while they are riding. In my opinion, if the sh** hits the fan, the more good guys with guns the better. As for liability, I can't see where anything changes simply because the guy/gal is riding with me. The law that gives them the ability to make a felony arrest and/or use deadly force does not change because of the car they are riding in. Besides, liability issues are only a concern if you are alive to face them.
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