michigan, out of state license suspension

[anon54321]

I was given an underage drinking ticket at my old home in Pennsylvania before moving to Michigan. After getting a MI license, I got a letter from the PA DMZ saying my license would be suspended. I couldn't find any information online about this, the MI DMZ website only mentions out of state DUIs. Will my license be suspended in MI? I think in PA first offense is 90 day suspension, while in MI it is just a fine.

How are out of state offenses usually handled?

Thanks in advance. This forum is a great idea. You can't get any useful info out of the dmv offices...

[darrell]

Michigan will give you a Michigan Opps (Drivers License) regardless of your suspension in Pennsylvania. The only exception is if your license was suspended for DUI, Vehicular Manslaughter and other serious Motor Vehicle Offenses. I would suggest that you make up with the PA DMV. BTW in Michigan it's Secratary of State not DMV or DMZ. They don't like it if you cal lthe anything other then that. Hope this helps and drive a lot better here then you did in Pa.

[anon54321]

Thanks for the quick reply. So aside from serious offenses you mentioned it doesn't matter if MI would suspend or not, they ignore out of state offenses?

To anyone in PA, if I move back there will my license then be suspended, or can I simply not re-apply there until the suspension runs out? I may move back there at some point.

I know its the SOS, but I figured DMV would be more understandable to all. DMZ was because i'm in a tech job where I type DeMilitarizedZone ten times a day and got used to that :D

"Hope this helps and drive a lot better here then you did in Pa."
Hey this wasn't a traffic offense.

[Jynkxxie]

Hey this wasn't a traffic offense.

What did you do?

[Metallic4]

What did you do?

Read above, the first line is:
"I was given an underage drinking ticket at my old home in Pennsylvania before moving to Michigan.."

[mcsap]

Here is the deal on PA. 1st offense Underage Drinking is a 90 day suspension. They will send you a letter adviding you that the suspension will go into effect on say for example Aug 2nd. In order to get "credit" for the suspension , you MUST surrender your drivers license to PennDot. If you fail to surrender your license , you STILL will be suspended on Aug 2nd and will stay suspended for the rest of you rlife until you surrender your license.

If you finally decide to surrender your license on Dec 2nd ( 120 days later) , you will STILL owe 90 days of suspension even though you were already suspended for 120 days. The reason is that they do NOT give you credit for "time served" until they have your license in their hands.

If you never had a license , they will assign you a PA drivers number anyway and then demand that you submit an affidavit acknowledging the suspension. This affidavit also covers someone who physically lost their license but wants to surrender something to meet the requirement

We also have reciprocity with ALL 50 states meaning that we will notify all states that you are suspended in PA. A Michigan officer who pulls you over can cite you for being under suspension on your PA license even if it is expired , because it is SUSPENDED. We get this frequently beng close to MAryland. ( 15 miles)

I suggest that you call PennDot at 1-717-391-6190 and figure out what you need to do. Ignoring it will not make it go away.

[Jynkxxie]

Read above, the first line is:
"I was given an underage drinking ticket at my old home in Pennsylvania before moving to Michigan.."

LOL Thanks...I was jesturing his/her smiley.

[darrell]

Here is the deal on PA. 1st offense Underage Drinking is a 90 day suspension. They will send you a letter adviding you that the suspension will go into effect on say for example Aug 2nd. In order to get "credit" for the suspension , you MUST surrender your drivers license to PennDot. If you fail to surrender your license , you STILL will be suspended on Aug 2nd and will stay suspended for the rest of you rlife until you surrender your license.

If you finally decide to surrender your license on Dec 2nd ( 120 days later) , you will STILL owe 90 days of suspension even though you were already suspended for 120 days. The reason is that they do NOT give you credit for "time served" until they have your license in their hands.

If you never had a license , they will assign you a PA drivers number anyway and then demand that you submit an affidavit acknowledging the suspension. This affidavit also covers someone who physically lost their license but wants to surrender something to meet the requirement

We also have reciprocity with ALL 50 states meaning that we will notify all states that you are suspended in PA. A Michigan officer who pulls you over can cite you for being under suspension on your PA license even if it is expired , because it is SUSPENDED. We get this frequently beng close to MAryland. ( 15 miles)

I suggest that you call PennDot at 1-717-391-6190 and figure out what you need to do. Ignoring it will not make it go away.

True but only as long as he is using his PA license to drive in MI. If Michigan SOS gave him a MI Opps then they can't cite him unless he only has his PA opps on him when he gets stopped. So in other words don't leave your Mich Opps at home.

[mcsap]

I suspect that MI requires a license applicant to either surrender the former home state license and or state that they are not suspended in another state prior to issuing a MI license. If he has lied and obtained the MI license under false pretenses...

You may wish to check up on the interstate license compact. I am reasonably sure that all states honor other states suspensions. COuldn't a suspended Wisconsinite who gets suspended, get a PO box in Watersmeet, obtain a MI license and drive to his hearts content ?? I suspect that MI would frown on this.

The poster should simply clear himself with PA and be done with it. Otherwise, he should consult a MI police officer who is familiar with the laws ( or contact the DMV) before thinking he is in the clear.

[darrell]

I suspect that MI requires a license applicant to either surrender the former home state license and or state that they are not suspended in another state prior to issuing a MI license. If he has lied and obtained the MI license under false pretenses...

You may wish to check up on the interstate license compact. I am reasonably sure that all states honor other states suspensions. COuldn't a suspended Wisconsinite who gets suspended, get a PO box in Watersmeet, obtain a MI license and drive to his hearts content ?? I suspect that MI would frown on this.

The poster should simply clear himself with PA and be done with it. Otherwise, he should consult a MI police officer who is familiar with the laws ( or contact the DMV) before thinking he is in the clear.

I'm just giving the response that one of the Deputies in my county told me, when i asked him.

[mcsap]

I will cite anyone I find here in PA who is suspended from any other state and if they have a "valid " license from even another state , I will seize it and send it back to their DMV with an explanation.

[anon54321]

I signed a lease in MI after getting a job transfer (and moved my belongings up), so I guess I was official a MI resident before this happened. I was at a goodbye party in PA when I was cited a week later. I plead guilty, not knowing it would cause suspension, and then transferred my PA license to MI. About a month or so later I got a letter from the PA DMV about the suspension and asking to send my PA license to them. I still have my old (now hole-punched) PA license the MI SOS/DMV gave back, but I don't think it is valid to give to the PA DMV.

Do I have to send my MI license to PA? Shouldn't I be notified by the MI SOS that my license is suspended and to send it them if it is in fact suspended in MI?

[mcsap]

Call the number I gave you and ask them if you can surrender your PA license via mail. OR as I advised , you can also send in an affidavit acknowledging the suspension which will start the 90 day clock ticking. I am willing to bet that you are PA suspended as we speak.

[anon54321]

I just read the interstate license compact. If I'm reading it right only major out-of-state offenses affect home state licensing. A new license is not to be issued if the old one is suspended. I didn't get the notice of suspension until well after getting a new license. The question is was I supposed to know my license would be suspended and so effectively it WAS suspended for the purposes of obtaining a new license?

The PO box thing mscap mentioned seems completely illegal, because don't you have to have primary residence in a state to be licensed there? I was a legal MI resident (with a PA license) before this happened.

I'll read over my notice again and give them a call when I get home from work.

[Edit - just read in two places that MI is not even a member of the license compact]

[anon54321]

Thinking about it more, I think (hope) that since I legally obtained a MI license already, PA no longer has authority to take it away, and the MI SOS hadn't sent notification to PA before PA send me the suspension notice.

That doesn't seem quite right though. That would mean someone could move out of state if they knew they were about to lose their license? Kind of extreme I guess.