michigan, out of state license suspension

[DepDog]

If your license is suspended in PA you cannot legally drive in Michigan.

257.318 Suspension or revocation of license of resident convicted or determined responsible for violation in another state.

The secretary of state may suspend or revoke the license of a resident of this state upon receiving notice of the conviction of that person in another state of an offense in that state, or the determination of responsibility of that person in an administrative adjudication in another state for a violation in that state which, if committed in this state, would be grounds for the suspension or revocation of the license of an operator or chauffeur.


257.301 Valid operator's or chauffeur's license required; group designation and indorsements; surrender of other valid licenses; notice; number of licenses permitted; certifying nonpossession of valid license.

(1) Except as provided in this act, a person shall not drive a motor vehicle upon a highway in this state unless that person has a valid operator's or chauffeur's license with the appropriate group designation and indorsements for the type or class of vehicle being driven or towed.

(2) A person shall not receive a license to operate a motor vehicle until that person surrenders to the secretary of state all valid licenses to operate a motor vehicle issued to that person by this or any state or certifies that he or she does not possess a valid license. The secretary of state shall notify the issuing state that the licensee is now licensed in this state.

(3) A person shall not have more than 1 valid driver's license.

[darrell]

I am going to kick my buddies *** for telling me it's legal. He's gonna get it.


Thanks depdog, at least there is 1 deputy in Michigan that knows his stuff.

[anon54321]

Depdog, I think what I'm questioning is how my PA license is to be suspended when I no longer have a valid PA license? I have a stamped one that I assume is trash.

Also, none of the rules you posted were broken. The offense would not result in a suspension in MI. I have a valid MI license. I have no valid PA license (because it was given to the MI SOS who put a hole in it and gave it back). Shouldn't I be hearing from the MI SOS instead of the PA DMV?

[anon54321]

If I sound overly concerned about this it's because I have a lot to lose. There's no public transportation that can get me to work. If I lose my job I owe $9k for the rest of the lease. :mad:

[mcsap]

IN PA, we suspend you privilege to drive. It doesn't matter whether or not you actually have a license or not. What about a guy who never had a drivers license who gets arrested for DUI ? He will be DUI suspended. If he gets caught driving again, we can't charge him with being DUI suspended beacuse he still doesn't have a license ?? NO WAY ! It isn't just a license that is suspended, it is the PRIVILEGE to drive as well.

You are very likley suspended as we speak and will stay suspended indefinitely until you comply with the PA requirements. You can probably make PA happy by sending in the affidavit and you might be able to get one off of their website. Google for the web address.

[anon54321]

I thought in that case he'd be charged with DUI and driving without a license. If he got caught driving again he'd again get driving without a license wouldn't he? And if he tried to apply for one the DUI suspension would begin then?

[DepDog]

Michigan SOS will send notice to PA advising them they issued you a Michigan license. PA will send notice back to Michigan that your PA license is suspended, thus making your Michigan license not valid as well, because you are suspended in PA.

I am guessing that Michigan SOS may have not received notice from PA, but if you know your PA license is suspended, and you applied for a new MI license then you can be charged as Mcsap said "I suspect that MI requires a license applicant to either surrender the former home state license and or state that they are not suspended in another state prior to issuing a MI license. If he has lied and obtained the MI license under false pretenses..."

You did surrender your PA license to MI SOS and they punched the hole in it, but you are still suspended in PA unless you as Mcsap said: "Here is the deal on PA. 1st offense Underage Drinking is a 90 day suspension. They will send you a letter adviding you that the suspension will go into effect on say for example Aug 2nd. In order to get "credit" for the suspension , you MUST surrender your drivers license to PennDot. If you fail to surrender your license , you STILL will be suspended on Aug 2nd and will stay suspended for the rest of you rlife until you surrender your license."

Depdog, I think what I'm questioning is how my PA license is to be suspended when I no longer have a valid PA license? I have a stamped one that I assume is trash.

Also, none of the rules you posted were broken. The offense would not result in a suspension in MI. I have a valid MI license. I have no valid PA license (because it was given to the MI SOS who put a hole in it and gave it back). Shouldn't I be hearing from the MI SOS instead of the PA DMV?

[mcsap]

Thanks Dep for the backup.

[steelcityk9cop]

Just to add to mcsap's post... PENNDOT does not care if you have a license anywhere in the US or abroad. If you get a DUI, Drug Conviction, Underage Drinking or any other offense that will suspend a drivers license.... they suspend YOU the person. They will assign you a Pa. OLN if you don't have one and you will not be able to drive in PA until it's cleared up. If you ever had a PA OLN it does not disapear... it stasys in the system forever, showing you have an out of state address.

[mcsap]

I thought in that case he'd be charged with DUI and driving without a license. If he got caught driving again he'd again get driving without a license wouldn't he? And if he tried to apply for one the DUI suspension would begin then?

If this same "no license" driver were caught sober a month later and is now officially DUI suspended , he will be charged with Driving Under Suspension DUI related even though he still never had a license. Our charge for driving without a license is different than driving under suspension . The suspension pinch is a heavier hit.

A DUI suspender can look forward to a $500 fine and 60 to 90 days in jail.

A expired or never licensed driver will have to go multiple times before jail time will occur.

[anon54321]

Michigan SOS will send notice to PA advising them they issued you a Michigan license. PA will send notice back to Michigan that your PA license is suspended, thus making your Michigan license not valid as well, because you are suspended in PA.

I am guessing that Michigan SOS may have not received notice from PA, but if you know your PA license is suspended, and you applied for a new MI license then you can be charged as Mcsap said "I suspect that MI requires a license applicant to either surrender the former home state license and or state that they are not suspended in another state prior to issuing a MI license. If he has lied and obtained the MI license under false pretenses..."

You did surrender your PA license to MI SOS and they punched the hole in it, but you are still suspended in PA unless you as Mcsap said: "Here is the deal on PA. 1st offense Underage Drinking is a 90 day suspension. They will send you a letter adviding you that the suspension will go into effect on say for example Aug 2nd. In order to get "credit" for the suspension , you MUST surrender your drivers license to PennDot. If you fail to surrender your license , you STILL will be suspended on Aug 2nd and will stay suspended for the rest of you rlife until you surrender your license."

So I have to send my MI license to PENNDOT? Or a statement that I have no PA license? If the latter can I still drive in MI?

DMV was closed when I got home yesterday, gotta cut out earlier today...

[darrell]

No you have to send it to the Michigan SOS office. The PA license would go to PA

[mcsap]

NO, you do not send your MI license to PA. You either send your PA license or you get an affidavit ( it is a PennDOt form) sign it and send it in acknowledging that you are suspended.

Either go to PennDots website or call the number I previosly posted.

If A MI officer stops you and determines that you are PA suspended, I suspect that they will seize your mI license and write you for op while suspended. I'll defer to Dep Dog on this.

[DepDog]

Correct

If A MI officer stops you and determines that you are PA suspended, I suspect that they will seize your mI license and write you for op while suspended. I'll defer to Dep Dog on this.

[mcsap]

Time to face the music.