NYPD Auxiliary

[NYPD4ME]

Greetings! My name is Alex, i am 18 years old. I am planning on signing up for auxiliary force by the end of summer (i already called the precinct and was told to call back later in august in order to sign up for classes). I was just wondering if anyone ever worked in Auxiliary in NYC and can tell me more about the job, like what do you get to do and so on, because first person experience is extremely interesting and is everything unlike the official NYPD auxiliary site which just tell you in general, the mission of protect and serve. So if anyone has anything to say, please do... i will be more then happy to read it. Thank You in advance!

[cecilVA]

No experience with NYPD auxiliaries but I am one down here in Virginia. We went up to NYC to the NYPD Auxiliary Memorial Service a couple months ago so I got to chat with some of them. From what I heard, there are A LOT of Auxiliaries on the books but not nearly as much that actually show up and do their work, so you probably have an opportunity to stand out. They have their own cruisers and lots of different jobs, some of the higher ranking members are armed. They were completely mobilized during the recent city wide blackout. In the precincts they have their own chain of command up to Lt or Capt (I think). Plenty of opportunity to do some work and get some experience. There are some NYPD people on this board (some say they should get their own ;)) so they can probably give you the inside scoop.

[king45]

HI, I JOINED THE NYPD AS AN AUXILIARY WHEN I WAS 18. I STAYED FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND THEN QUIT DUE TO PERSONAL REASONS. ANYWAY, I CAME ACROSS THIS SITE WHILE DOING AN NYPD CAREER SEARCH AND REGISTERED JUST TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION(S).

IN THE NYPD AUXILIARY PROGRAM, PROMOTION TO THE NEXT RANK REQUIRES 2 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE! I WAS UP FOR PROMOTION TO SERGEANT WITHIN 4 MONTHS AFTER JOINING SO YOU MAY WANT TO READ WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.


FOLLOW THESE RULES AND YOU WILL RISE QUICKLY :-)

1) ALWAYS SALUTE HIGHER RANKING OFFICERS. (SHOWS RESPECT!)
2) REQUEST TO HAVE A SERGEANT AS A PARTNER. (YOU WILL BE NOTICED
MORE & KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN PROMOTED!)
3) WORK SPECIAL DETAILS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! (SHOWS INTERESTS!)
4) RECRUIT! RECRUIT! RECRUIT! ALONE AT ANY COLLEGES OFFERING
CRIMINAL JUSTICE COURSES! (NO BETTER WAY TO RISE!)
5) SHAKE YOUR BOSSES HAND AFTER ARRIVING AND AGAIN BEFORE GOING
BACK HOME. ( IF HE/SHE IS NOT THERE, SHOW SOME CONCERN)
6) SHARE A JOKE, A MEAL OR A CHAT WITH HIGHER RANKING OFFICERS.
7) FOLLOW THE RULES AND NEVER TALK BACK WHEN YOU ARE DISCIPLINED!
8) BE FAIR AND REASONABLE WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY! (YOU
NEVER KNOW WHO YOU MAY BE TALKING TO!)
9) SHOW UP WHEN YOU SAY YOU WILL! (YOUR WORD IS GOLDEN!)
10) STAY IN SHAPE, STAY FOCUSED, KNOW THE RADIO CODES AND BE
SAFE!

THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT TASK YOU CAN DO AS AN AUXILIARY IS RECRUIT AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN. WHEN I JOINED THE AUXILIARY PROGRAM WE ONLY HAD 7 AUXILIARIES. A CAPTAIN, A LIEUTENANT, A SERGEANT AND 4 OFFICERS. WE ALSO HAD 1 SWORN POLICE OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE PROGRAM.

TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, ONE OF OUR HIGHER RANKING AUXILARIES PASSED AWAY AND SOON AFTER HIS PARTNER RETIRED. WE WERE NOW LEFT WITH JUST A SEARGENT AND 4 OFFICERS. I KNEW THAT THE PROGRAM JUST TOOK A HARD HIT AND SET OUT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. MADE SOME BUSINESS CARDS AND SOME FLIERS AND WENT BACK TO MY COLLEGE THE NEXT DAY AND RECRUITED 20 NEW OFFICERS.

I INVESTED ABOUT AN HOUR OF MY TIME TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 30 MINUTES TO ORDER BUSINESS CARDS/ CREATE FLIERS AND 30 MINUTES HANDNG OUT THE CARDS/ FLIERS AT SCHOOL DURING MY CLASS BREAK.
THIS ALONG WITH THE RULES I'VE STATED ABOVE WILL GET YOU PROMOTED QUICKLY! (I PROMISE!!!)

I WAS EVEN OFFERED NUMEROUS JOBS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT DUE TO MY PERFORMANCE. SALARY JOBS YOU DREAM ABOUT BUT NEVER HEAR ABOUT UNLESS YOU GET NOTICED! :-)

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AS AN AUXILIARY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY A GUN BUT YOU MUST BE LICENSED AND CARRY IT CONCEALED NEAR YOUR ANKLE. IT STILL DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO RUN INTO A BUILDING OR BE A COWBOY ON THE STREETS. IT'S ONLY FOR EXTRA PROTECTION IN CASE YOU HAVE A PERP POINTING A GUN AT YOU AND YOU CAN'T CALL FOR BACKUP IMMEDIATELY.

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THERE ARE MANY DIVISIONS WHICH YOU CAN JOIN AS AN AUXILIARY. STREET PATROL, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND COAST GUARD PATROL ARE SOME OPTIONS YOU HAVE. YOU MAY ALSO REQUEST CITYWIDE PATROL PERMISSION TO REPORT TO ANY CITY PRECEINCT INSTEAD OF JUST THE INITIAL ONE YOU JOINED. IF AUXILIARY HEADQUARTERS APPROVES YOU WILL BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO OBTAIN THE SPECIAL CITYWIDE PATCH.

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I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO NETWORK AND MEET OFFICERS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE THEN THROUGH THE AUXILIARY PROGRAM. IF YOU PLAY YOUR CARDS RIGHT IT WILL OPEN A FLOOD GATE OF JOB OFFERS AND RESPECT FROM EVERYONE.

DON'T PAY MIND TO THE FEW WHO TRY AND TALK YOU DOWN AND TRY TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD. THE BAD COMES WITH THE GOOD AND WHEN YOU ARE A LEADER PEOPLE GET JEALOUS!!! DON'T LET THAT IMPACT YOUR PERFORMANCE.

IF YOU EVER COME ACROSS A PROBLEM WITH ANOTHER OFFICER BRING IT TO THE PROGRAMS COORDINATOR, NOT THE NEXT AUXILIARY RANK. IF THE COORDINATOR FAILS TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM, GO OVER HIS/HER HEAD AND TALK TO HIS OR HER BOSS. MY ADVICE TO YOU IS TO KNOW ALL THE MAIN PLAYERS WITHIN 3 MONTHS OF WORKING THERE. IT WILL COME IN HANDY WHEN YOU ARE ON THE WAY TO THE TOP!



SURVIVAL TIPS

WHEN ON PATROL ALWAYS KNOW THE STREET CROSS SECTION YOU ARE WALKING!

KEEP YOUR RADIO LOUD ENOUGH TO HEAR BUT LOW ENOUGH TO AVOID WARNING BAD GUYS OR STREET LOOKOUTS FROM KNOWING YOU ARE COMING!

DON'T RUN INTO A BUILDING CHASING A SUSPECTED CRIMINAL, IF HE/SHE HAS A GUN YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE! CALL FOR BACKUP

LEARN TO SWIVEL YOUR KNIGHT STICK WITH YOUR FINGERS! IT SHOWS PEOPLE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND ARE WELL TRAINED.

BEFORE GOING OUT ON PATROL, DO A RADIO CHECK TO CENTRAL! YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR RADIO WORKS!


GOOD LUCK! :-)
king45

[Norm357]

King45, nice post but I have a couple of questions.

1. Why are you yelling?

2. It is dept policy that you may only carry in an ankle holster? Thats messes up.

[Joeyd6]

Okay folks...we need a BIG clarification!
1) King is correct on a few of his tips.
2) NYPD Auxiliaries are FORBIDDEN from carrying weapons of any kind! The defination is an "trained unarmed observer." Period. Most are under the age of 21 and do not even qualify for a permit. And even if they did, you are not allowed to have a weapon "on duty." It is written in teh department rules and aux rules. Any concept of carrying it is a myth. All you are authorized to carry as an auxiliary is: gun belt, handcuffs, handcuff case, police radio, key holder, a whistle, a flashlight and a baton holder witha straight wood baton that is provided for you. You are trained in the basic use of the baton. No guns...no matter what!
3) Auxiliaries usually come in at night around 4-6 pm. And then they go out on "patrol" in at leats pairs of 2, maybe more. So what do they do? Most precinct have 1 car for auxiliaries and that goes to the "supervisor" on duty. The rest are on a foot post. They do not go to radio runs (911 calls). They do support us, the regular officers. That means at the accidents, they come and direct traffic. Or they partol high activity areas or train stations providing high visibility. They go to parades and street fairs to provide traffic control, pedestrian control and high visibility. All auxiliares must be off the street by 12 mid-night unless a special circumstance arises.
3) There are two units with the auxiliary unit: harbor and APSU or aux police support unit. the Harbor is just that and they do a lot of boater education and courses and a few patrols in conjunction with the coast guard auxiliary. APSU is like a mini-ES...but think in terms of lighting, generators and the such. They are not trained to handle jobs.....but support ESU by providing light and supporting them by knowing how to fill a generator with gas and change air tool hoses, etc... No real "action."
4) There is no "citywide patrol." You join at a precinct and are assigned to such. You will go to details all over teh city. You can't work in the 122 tonight and the 10 tomorrow. It doesn't work that way for cops and not for auxiliaries either. You have a command and that is your staion. Period.
5) You don't chase criminals. Why? What do you do if you catch them? What do you do if the fight? Exactly! The people next toi you may be an auxiliary but they are not a cop. Training varies. You could be on partol with a 60 year old grandmother. And you have very little training in the law and peoles rights. What you do is follow if posisble and radio the details to the dispatcher who can get officers there.
6) Being an aux is a great experience. You will make many friends, learn a lot about the NYPD and its culture, and the learn the paperwork, police and procedures. It also looks great on a resume and is very satisfying. Some guys knock it as "wannabes." But if you keep your mouth shut and act like an auxiliary and not a "cop" who knows it all, you will be well like and learn a lot.

[king45]

Hi, didn't realize capital letters were taken as screaming. Sorry.

In any case, I beg to differ with the post above! There is city wide patrol, why you are not aware of that beats me. Maybe they don't want you to know about it so you just stick with the precinct that trained you.

I'm 100% positive that citywide patrol exists. I personally have seen the patch and have spoken to members who wear it. It's a rare find but it does exist.

In regard to auxiliary being off the street by 12 is new to me. My partner and I would patrol till 2 - 3 am sometimes. (most of the time it was not due to special occasions) We were even assigned to do some light UC (under cover) work if we wanted to. It's optional due to the potential risk factors but if you do it they won't forget you when there is a paying job available for you within the department.

As far as weapons are concerned I have been told directly from the bosses at HQ that yes you may carry a concealed weapon with a permit. To be honest though it's pretty darn difficult to obtain permission without a valid reason, age requirement and proper training.

At 18 I was already doing firearm training but I didn't stay long enough to carry a concealed weapon with the department. I believe it's allowed because I have also met a few older aux who do carry throughout the city.

There is some friction between auxiliaries and police officers because of this. What would happen if you have a force of volunteers who are fully armed and trained to deal with most situations? It's a threat to their job security! This is not something I'm making up, this is what I have been told by the high-rollers within the department.

Take New Jersey for example. Most firemen and EMT's are volunteers. Almost all of them work for free. That means the demand for paid firemen and medics are not that great. Have you ever really seen that many police officers patrolling the streets of New Jersey ??? Cause if you do please tell me where. 10 officers is about the maximum number of cops I've seen respond to an urgent call there. The same urgent call here would have 30+ officers respond in minutes.

The point is that the job market in policing is stronger in New York then it is in New Jersey. They don't want no volunteer force to threaten that stability! :-)

[Joeyd6]

Guys and Gals,
King is filling the air with unfactual information. King...take a look bud...VERIFIED here. I know exactly what I am talking about.
1) All aux's have city-wide powers...but assigned to one precint. Period!
2) Better read you aux manual if you didn't return it when you left...12 mid-night unless special circumstances arise and the precinct coordinator gives permission. It has happend on very few circumstances....very few!
3) I have to laugh at the "UC" work. Aux's are only used for underage alcohol sales. There is very little to no "risk." You are given a marked bill...walk into a bar or corner store and try to buy a pack of cigs or beer with 3-5 plain clothes cops outside waiting. They sell it to you, you walk out and say "here it is." and they go in and write TICKETS!
4) The weapon thing is CRAP! 100%! I don't know what buff you were talking to but you better read the aux manual and the NYPD policy. AUX's are NEVER allowed to carry a gun "on duty" no matter what! PERIOD. For any NYPD Ofifcer to carry one, they must carry a department issued weapon after a department training and qualification yearly. Aux's are not allowed to carry...even with a permit. A permit is issued to a citizen. (NYPD officers do not have permits...they carry under powers of the shield as a NY State Police officer defined in the penal law.) And when in uniform, as an Aux you are acting as a agent of the NYPD and subject to the rules...and no longer John Q citizen. Therefore any use of a weapon would NOT be indemnified by the city since it is not department issue, and you were not trained by this department and not qualified by department standards. When you go home at night, if you have a permit and take off your uniform, then it kicks back in. I would like you to PM me the boss's name who is telling you that so I can notify the proper channels because they are 100% wrong and in violation of NYPD procedures and going to get somebody in HUGE trouble.
5) Those older Aux's you have met with guns are not auxiliaries....read thier shoulder patch....they are New York City Special Patrolmen....and they ARE allowed to carry weapons and are totally different than Auxiliaries or NYPD Police Officers. You must be confusing the two. They also work around the clock.
6) There is very little friction between officers and aux's. It only happens when aux's forget they have no gun and are NOT police offiers. Aux's do a great service for the NYPD. But a few bad apples who "chase" a perp or talk about being "at gunpoint" or doing "dangerous undercover" work, make a bad name for those who come in and do the job properly. Aux's are no threat to my job security. Period. Aux's have 40 hours of training....that is it. There is no comparrison to a police officer. We have over 1020 hours of basic training plus field training, and not to mention in-service training. The 40 hours is no where near enough to meet minium state requirements and provide a quality officer to the community to handle all of the requirements. Besides, aux's have no physical and no age requirements and never get pshyched tested. Add up all the factors and you can see there is no comparisson and there never will be. It would be a legal nightmare for the department. In some areas it works and works well when they have strict requirements (like California) for thier aux's or reserves whihc are similar or teh same for police officers (like Bergen County NJ). But here there is no need for them to be fully trained here....we have enough officers for that.

Don't get me wrong...I love seeing an aux come to me when I have a accident...they help a lot. And I love having them at details because they are a great help and resource. They helped us greatly during 9/11 and the power outage last summer. But they were all doing traffic and high visibility patrol posts for the most part (APSU was on the pile digging along with some from the Man South precincts). But don't confuse the two roles...ther are 100% different.

[Norm357]

I got 50 bucks on Joey winning this one. Any takers? :D

[sbrad]

Not betting against you on this one.

[king45]

Laughs -- do you really think I'm going to give you names? Come on now, I'm sharing my experience not trying to get anyone in hot water. : D

Ok, let me try to be a bit more clear since I seem to be misunderstood. Yes, all auxiliary officers have city-wide power. That is not what I'm saying when I'm talking about the special patch. Selected individuals are given a chance to obtain a city-wide patch which allows them to work at any precinct of their liking any day of the week! If they feel like working the 42ND and then work the 34TH they may as long as they have that privilege. You must also make time to work the initial precinct you joined but the point is that you are allowed to change precincts. Period!!!

I never said aux under cover work was extravagant. I just said light UC work. Nothing major but as far as I'm concern anyone who puts on a blue uniform is always at risk. Not trying to be a macho man but if you ask me aux have more balls then regular officers. They patrol the streets with nothing more then a radio, a knight stick and their street smarts.

Ok, now about the book. Yes, I have read the book it was a requirement to become an aux. I scored a 99% on the test (granted it was easy) but it proves I read it.

I'm pretty sure you have broken the rules every now and then. Rules are meant to keep you safe (no doubt about it) but in this world you must understand that rules are also there to protect the department against law suits. If you do something that is against the rules but the outcome is good you get a pat on the back. If you do something against the rules and for whatever reason makes the department look bad you are on your own.

Take this for example, in the manual it states proper techniques on striking a suspect if you are physically threaten by him or her. If I recall correctly you are not allowed to strike a suspects head with a knight stick or to the back of the head. You are supposed to strike the legs and use proper restrainment techniques to cuff the suspect. I'm sorry but if a perp is pointing a gun at me, you better believe I'm going to strike him with anything I have directly at the head if I am unarmed. I'm not going to stop and think, well it's against the rules to strike him on the head I'll go for the legs and give him a chance to kill me. That is reality!

You can't be a tight a** on the job! You won't last !!!! lol (trying to say it as nice as possible)

The best cops are those who are alert, flexible and just!


"4) The weapon thing is CRAP! 100%! I don't know what buff you were talking to but you better read the aux manual and the NYPD policy."

I'm here laughing about you still saying that carrying a concealed weapon is crap. Well, I'll let you believe what you want. I know for sure that it's allowed. Maybe it was a special arrangement but these were aux not special patrolmen. Not everything is done by the book!

Now, about the aux being a threat to job security. The reason they only give 40hrs of training is because the duties of an aux are more related to community service then to chasing down and investigating crimes. If they were to receive the same training as sworn officers you better believe you will see police strikes all around the city. WE DON'T NEED THE AUX, WE DON'T NEED THE AUX - lol

This is part of the reason cops in the city don't make as much as they do in NASSAU County. Why pay higher wages when you have a volunteer force
of about 100,000+ patrolling the streets all over the city giving the public the impression of police omni presence. It basically gives the public a sense of safety and reduces crime just as if you had a regular payed officer walking down the street.

Do you really think I joined this forum to post BS? If I joined for that I would of told him he could get layed everyday when chicks see him walking down the street. By the way you do pick up chicks! lol :p

Well, I guess I'll leave it at that. Again, just sharing my experience.

[121Traffic]

Laughs -- do you really think I'm going to give you names? Come on now, I'm sharing my experience not trying to get anyone in hot water. : D

Ok, let me try to be a bit more clear since I seem to be misunderstood. Yes, all auxiliary officers have city-wide power. That is not what I'm saying when I'm talking about the special patch. Selected individuals are given a chance to obtain a city-wide patch which allows them to work at any precinct of their liking any day of the week! If they feel like working the 42ND and then work the 34TH they may as long as they have that privilege. You must also make time to work the initial precinct you joined but the point is that you are allowed to change precincts. Period!!!

I never said aux under cover work was extravagant. I just said light UC work. Nothing major but as far as I'm concern anyone who puts on a blue uniform is always at risk. Not trying to be a macho man but if you ask me aux have more balls then regular officers. They patrol the streets with nothing more then a radio, a knight stick and their street smarts.

Ok, now about the book. Yes, I have read the book it was a requirement to become an aux. I scored a 99% on the test (granted it was easy) but it proves I read it.

I'm pretty sure you have broken the rules every now and then. Rules are meant to keep you safe (no doubt about it) but in this world you must understand that rules are also there to protect the department against law suits. If you do something that is against the rules but the outcome is good you get a pat on the back. If you do something against the rules and for whatever reason makes the department look bad you are on your own.

Take this for example, in the manual it states proper techniques on striking a suspect if you are physically threaten by him or her. If I recall correctly you are not allowed to strike a suspects head with a knight stick or to the back of the head. You are supposed to strike the legs and use proper restrainment techniques to cuff the suspect. I'm sorry but if a perp is pointing a gun at me, you better believe I'm going to strike him with anything I have directly at the head if I am unarmed. I'm not going to stop and think, well it's against the rules to strike him on the head I'll go for the legs and give him a chance to kill me. That is reality!

You can't be a tight a** on the job! You won't last !!!! lol (trying to say it as nice as possible)

The best cops are those who are alert, flexible and just!


"4) The weapon thing is CRAP! 100%! I don't know what buff you were talking to but you better read the aux manual and the NYPD policy."

I'm here laughing about you still saying that carrying a concealed weapon is crap. Well, I'll let you believe what you want. I know for sure that it's allowed. Maybe it was a special arrangement but these were aux not special patrolmen. Not everything is done by the book!

Now, about the aux being a threat to job security. The reason they only give 40hrs of training is because the duties of an aux are more related to community service then to chasing down and investigating crimes. If they were to receive the same training as sworn officers you better believe you will see police strikes all around the city. WE DON'T NEED THE AUX, WE DON'T NEED THE AUX - lol

This is part of the reason cops in the city don't make as much as they do in NASSAU County. Why pay higher wages when you have a volunteer force
of about 100,000+ patrolling the streets all over the city giving the public the impression of police omni presence. It basically gives the public a sense of safety and reduces crime just as if you had a regular payed officer walking down the street.

Do you really think I joined this forum to post BS? If I joined for that I would of told him he could get layed everyday when chicks see him walking down the street. By the way you do pick up chicks! lol

Well, I guess I'll leave it at that. Again, just sharing my experience.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Get the f**k out of here with that crap! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....okay seriously. Are you done? I can't take it...*giggle*

What would YOU know about being a good cop? I'm sure joey knows how to survive as an NYPD cop...

As for the rest of your post...namely the part about a threat to job security, and to hahahahaha picking up chicks as basically city security guard (no offense to any guards out there...just not the most glamorous profession out there...)with a bit more responsibility, all I can say is HAHAHAHA. Get the f**k out! lol :D

haha oh god I'm dying... :p

TOM, ROBERT, OCEAN....

[king45]

I'm laughing just as hard! :D

[Joeyd6]

King,

1) I just got off the phone now with Aux Hdqtrs. Again...no such "city-wide" patrol unit. All APO's are assigned to a precicnt and can apply for the following special units: Harbor, APSU and Highway. Ihave the boss's name and rank for you if you want. The city-wide patrol patch is not even sold at police hdqtrs because it is no longer in existence. If you want to do 1 night in another precinct it can be done if pre-arranged. if you want to completely change precincts it can be done....but not on a nightly basis....it is permanent.
A.P.S. DIRECTIVE #3 MARCH 21, 1997

SUBJECT: POLICY REGARDING COURTESY TOURS
1. It has come to the attention of this office that auxiliary
personnel are working in precincts other than where assigned to without the coordinators knowledge or permission. This practice will be discontinued. The following guidelines will be adhered to when an Auxiliary is scheduled to work outside of their command of assignment.
a. – Prior to the establishment of a scheduled courtesy tour, both Auxiliary Police Coordinators MUST concur. Courtesy tours are a privilege and should not be performed excessively. These tours are done to fill a specific need in a command

2) Aux are assigned to deatils with little to low risk. Is there risk wearing the unifrom? Yes. But the risk does not compare to what an officer faces every day on the job. How many family disputes did you as an aux go to? How many perpr have you wrestled with as an aux? If an aux is doing thier job, they will OBSERVE and REPORT and not get involved. Wake up from your delusion....the risks are not comparable.

3) Your example is great. But in reality...you hit him in the head and you are going to face criminal and department charges. Forget about the NYPD officer who used his radio and threw it at a suspect and did some major damage? Remeber what happened? The department charged him with violating the rules set forth and he was sued civilly and found guilty and disciplined. But what is your whole point of teh example?

4) I have lasted a decent amount of time on this job. And I am only a tight A@# when a LIES and UNFACTUAL information are presented that give the program a bad image!

5) Again...to carry a weapon it must be department issued, and you must be department trained and qualified. Period. I spoke with the Firearms & Training Division today and NEVER has an auxiliary officer been trained in such or qualified. I again have a name and boss rank for you. Furthermore, NYS penal law requires a permit for a concealed carry pistol. But NYPD department policy prohibits (and yes...I have the Aux procedue/rule book here now....) auxiliary officers from carrying a weapon at any time by order of the CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT.

6) To get the training of a full cop you would never be able to pass all of the application process. Thousands try every year and fail to get the job...

7) The NYPD aux does not have 100,000 members. The union for them has about 2,500 memebers. Better do some homework.....there are about 7,000 auxiliaries in NYC. That is what is on the roll books...and not necessarily active.

I suggest you post or PM some FACTS or stop filling the board with garbage. I nor any other member wants to hear unfactual info. I have names, ranks and numbers of NYPD boss's I spoke with. I also have a copy of the aux manual and the NYPD patrol guide and acess to the admin guide if you need to know the pages I am referring to.

Many people work on making this board a factual and open forum. You take 1 year of experience and exaggerate it along with a misrepresentaion of facts to make yourself look like you have "more balls." You want that...apply and get "verified" and do the job for at least a year...then come back and we can talk. Otherwise...stop embarassing yourself. Everyoen here see through it.

Troll patrol.....be on the look out!

[king45]

You are insulting me by calling me a liar, saying I'm exaggerating and filling up the forum with false information! With all due respect what the f makes you think I'm going to sign up for this forum to pass on false information.

The initial post asked if anyone experienced being part of the NYPD aux unit. I'm here sharing my experience and passing on what I was taught. If you feel that any information I have posted is BS I'm not at fault here. Take it up with all the people who showed me the ropes. You want names and numbers but you know damn well that what you are asking me to do is get good people in trouble. I would never put anyone on the spot like that. It's just not right!

So, yeah you called HQ and spoke to who knows who. I'm not interested in what they told you because all they told you was what they want you to hear. I'm telling you not everything is done by the book. This is not a bad thing! it's necessary to bend the rules to stay on top of things sometimes.
One day you will become wiser and learn this for yourself.

Now, in regard to the citywide patch. It may no longer exists but it did exist back in 1996 because it was offered to me. (maybe I should have mentioned that I was active in 1996) Not once did I ever state in any of my posts that this was a unit -- never !!!! I said selected individuals may obtain the citywide patch. Never, never, never said a unit!!!! Huge difference!

Please next time you are reading something, read it a few times until you understand exactly what is being said. Words can be tricky sometimes but you are a hot shot cop making calls and all, you should have picked up on it right away.

I'm done with the citywide patch thing. No sense in trying to pass on information (it may be outdated now) but I was telling the truth!

Another thing I must clarify. I never said that aux may work any precinct they want any day of the week without the bosses knowing !!! Never said that!!! The point of the citywide patch was to allow for this but of course proper notifications had to be made.

As for the 100,000+ Aux and that thing about the NJ having less cops. It was a joke. Sorry, you can't tell the difference between someone being serious and someone telling a joke. If that is what you mean by exaggeration then I don't know what to tell you but to go out more often. You may want to go to a comedy club sometime.

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'Many people work on making this board a factual and open forum. You take 1 year of experience and exaggerate it along with a misrepresentation of facts to make yourself look like you have "more balls." You want that...apply and get "verified" and do the job for at least a year...then come back and we can talk. Otherwise...stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone here see through it."

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(By the way the only thing embarrassing here is you spelling embarrassing wrong in your post and having me correct it for you above -- hope your paper work is not as bad! - I guess that's a reflection of your inability to read too!)

Listen to me carefully, I speak multiple languages and have over 50 computer skills. I have been used for more sting operations then you can count on your fingers and toes !!! No kiddy crap like you think! The show is run by educated street smart guys like myself who know what is going on in the real world!

One of my cousins - God Bless, is chief of pentagon security and my other
cousin - God bless, is the chief of police of one of the local towns in Florida.
I come from a hard working prestigious family and for you to insult me the way you have would be grounds for termination if I were your boss.

What I did at 18 and beyond will take you at least 10 years to accomplish, if that. As much of a hot shot you think you are must accept the fact that you don't know it all. The world is not black and white -- it's a rainbow which each and every person interprets their own way. Some individuals just know more then others and that is just a fact you have to live with.

Remember one of my 10 rules, you never know who you are talking to so
relax and from now on if you ever see someone state something you don't agree with say why you don't agree don't take cheap shots and try to insult them for your lack of knowledge.

Take care

[samg]

Buh-bye