Handgun

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Kimber makes a nice gun, on par with Colt, Springfield Armory and Smith and Wesson. I doubt even Baer's, Wilson's, Rock River Arms or Ed Brown's are as good as a custom job by Ted Yost, Ned Christainsen, C.T. Brian, Chuck Rogers or Scott Mulerkin or Terry Tussey or any of the other topflight 1911/Browning HP gunsmith's around our great country. My Baer is much more affordable than a full custom and Les makes em pretty quickly. My Baer has a 1.5" accuracy gaurantee @50 yds, from a machine rest and a test target to prove it, mine showed 1.12 inches @50 yds. and that is nine round group. I'd like to see a schlock glock do that. Too bad!! they could'nt make a glock on their best day that would shoot that accurate @ 50 yds.

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...My Baer has a 1.5" accuracy gaurantee @50 yds, from a machine rest and a test target to prove it, mine showed 1.12 inches @50 yds. and that is nine round group. I'd like to see a schlock glock do that. Too bad!! they could'nt make a glock on their best day that would shoot that accurate @ 50 yds.

Well, I guess I just assumed you understood firearms better. Sorry. That's comparing apples to oranges, man. Surely, you know what makes the gun more accurate? It's that especially tight lock-up and custom fit that make those groups possible. It's that same custom fit that makes them finnicky with various ammo types. It's that same custom fit that makes them prone to malfunctioning sooner.

After shooting nearly 2000 rounds in a day, it wasn't the Glock or the Sig that was malfunctioning, it was my Sprinfield TRP Operator. When they get dirty, they start hiccupping... while the Sig and Glock took it all in stride.

You can keep your 3MOA accuracy... on the range. I'll take my reliability on the street. After all, shoot some stress course on sillouettes (not some race-gun targets) and you will find that even the Glock is more accurate than most people will be shooting.

My M16 hits 1MOA from prone anyday of the week. I'll use it when I want to reach out and touch someone... and if you really want to take it long, I'll bring out the my Remington 40X!

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I just finished a pretty extensive reliability test on the Baer (Ghost 1 sold to me, Thanks again James) 1000 rounds 10 different brands of everything from Ranger T's to some of my friends 185 grain lead semi wadcutter match (read "light loads") anyhow rounds clocking at 1100 fps down 740 fps. No cleaning at all and not one malfunction.
A Springfield PRO model it is not and never will be a Baer and a TRP aint a PRO, I've shot both and they're nice but they both will not reliably feed light loads, which means the ones I've shot are nowhere near as reliable and certainly not even close to being as accurate as a Baer w/1.5 option. Are there better pistols? probably, but not many and the ones that are better cost a helluva lot more.

I am not going to discount your experience at all, I've been shooting since I was 6 years old and have many 20-30K round count years under my belt, I get all the ammo in .40 S&W I can stand from my dept.. I still buy 6K-10K rounds of 45ACP out of pocket for my guns. We finally got a Chief with a brain that allows us to carry approved weapons on duty. So I have happily began to carry my Baer over the dept. issue G22. FYI we had 5 glocks blow catastrophic failures over the years we've had em, our former bootlick range officer never went public with the info cause they were his idea of perfection and his choice. I wonder what one of the guys who sustained injuries to his right index finger thinks of glock perfection? Thats right, like me he thinks they are crap. Based on your experiences glocks are perfect. Based on mine they are FAR from it.

[Skull]

Any of you guys carry a Five-seveN? Really nice carry in my opinion. ;)

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All I will say is that I have been shooting my whole life as well and while I love shooting the tricked out 1911's that many people have, it is the one type of gun that I have seen the most malfunctions with. If you have a custom .45 that shoots really tight groups and never malfunctions, you need to hang on to it.

There is a reason you see lots of custom 1911's at competitions but not on the street. It is a high maintainence gun and you will only see it issued in small numbers to units that can afford to have a dedicated armorer.

You really think you could take that Les Baer in an environment where you were constantly spraying it or immersing it in salt water, leave it alone for a couple of days, and then be sure it would go bang when you pulled the trigger. Well, guess what, I know my Glock will do that. Some of us work in environments where we occasionally have to abuse the hell out of our equipment, weapons included.

The right choice of weapon for you may not be the same one as for me. I'll stick with what I know works for me.

[txinvestigator1]

All right boys, sounds like its time to whip 'em out. :eek:

Jynkxxie, Dayna, Orleander, Busty...and you other ladies all get to measure, laugh and take pics. :D

[Group9]

I just want to go on the record that it has been very chilly here lately. That may help explain things when you see my weapon, uh, gun, uh firearm.

[Jynkxxie]

All right boys, sounds like its time to whip 'em out. :eek:

Jynkxxie, Dayna, Orleander, Busty...and you other ladies all get to measure, laugh and take pics.

Oh man! Good thing us Engineers have extra rulers...err. ;)

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Any of you guys carry a Five-seveN? Really nice carry in my opinion. ;)

I Was really pumped up about the Five-Seven and the P-90. I have buddies on SOG that had them on T&E. I hear they are a dream to shoot. However, the more I read about actual shoots, the more it sounds like they perform along the lines of a 22lr. I'd say the jury is still out for me... I'll wait and see.