Why do some departments require college credits(education)?

[txinvestigator1]

I don't care if someone is a Chaucer or Hemingway protoge, you can not teach yourself english. All high school does is give that person what it needs to survive day to day in mainly spoken english. One can not learn grammar without an instructor and HS instructors just can't teach what's needed to be taught.

Thats funny. Its wrong, but funny.

[Saonagi]

Pssst, butterbar, Hemingway never went to college and he is known as one of the worlds greatest writers/journalists
As for Chaucer it is unknown wether or not he went to college as most of his childhood and young adult life is unrecorded, he also had little to do with correct grammer and more to do with poetry.

[K9 Police]

Simple solution would be to apply to departments that don't require any college credit. I can tell you this though, no college credit or military is going to hurt your changes enormously when comparing to all the other applicants that have some of that experience. "Desire" will not make up for experience and education.

K9

[P01IC3M4N]

i always like it when your case goes to court and the defense asks you to read a couple of lines from your report for clarification.

"i tooked the witness lady over too the suspect. the witness lady had done picked the suspect out prior to before i even laid eyes on him. then she yelled that's the man that done beat up my hair."

[ngcsubutterbar]

Pssst, butterbar, Hemingway never went to college and he is known as one of the worlds greatest writers/journalists
As for Chaucer it is unknown wether or not he went to college as most of his childhood and young adult life is unrecorded, he also had little to do with correct grammer and more to do with poetry.

yes, and how did hemingway learn how to edit his work. It surely wasn't self taught. You'd be VERY suprised after you write something, think it's perfect, and give it to someone else and watch them tear your paper appart. One cannot learn without adversity, even if it comes from an English teacher. Just as you do not want to learn a foreign languange from just one source, yor do not want to learn anything from one source, as you will become fixated on one facet of the teaching, from the one source.


Think of it this way.

take a compass, you're taught math by something that equates 0-180 degrees. If you stop here, you're half blind when you do mathmatics because you were only taught half the angles. It may take many teachers to get the rest of the 180 for a FULL and WHOLE picture of mathmatics, or it may just take a few. The point remains not ONE person can teach someone EVERYthing they need to know about a subject.

[driven21m]

Why not have an essay and some grammar questions on the police exam? If not on the initial exam, then sometime thereafter.

The Dertments I have tested for have a 60 college unit requirment and their written tests have had grammer questions and an essay. And the essays were evaluated by profesors from the local University. They say that they nock out the most people with the essay.

[driven21m]

Not only to gain knowledge like math and proper writing/speaking which is essential in police work, but I think college really has a positive effect on you. You become more mature ( usually), have better reasoning abilities, and more open to others ideas and lifestyle which can really benefit you.

Yeah I agree. I really grew up when I went away to college. Also I really dotn thinK i would of made it as far in the hiring process if I had not went away to school. I lived awy from my parents, got an apartment and roomates. They want people witha rental history and life experiences too.

[Saonagi]

Think of it this way.

take a compass, you're taught math by something that equates 0-180 degrees. If you stop here, you're half blind when you do mathmatics because you were only taught half the angles. It may take many teachers to get the rest of the 180 for a FULL and WHOLE picture of mathmatics, or it may just take a few. The point remains not ONE person can teach someone EVERYthing they need to know about a subject.

When I went to high school I had quite a few English teachers, I believe I had three, four if you include my journalism teacher. Plus you don't have to be taught by a college professor to be assured that you are learning a great deal on a subject.
Although I would say that a college degree gives at least some reassurance that the applicant is well rounded, its still not even close to a guarantee. For instance my girlfriend has two college degrees (an associates in Fine Arts and a bachelors in Design) and I'm often the one that has to help her with papers for her new degree (Associates in Fashion Design), even though she has had several college level writing classes and I haven't even attended college.

[BryGuy]

I really love the idea that college somehow makes a person better, than those who haven't attented college. I for one have never attended a day of college and I'm willing to bet I have one of the best educations in the world.
U.S. Army Infintry, Airborne, Ranger School. Right after High School, instead of going to University of Where ever I went to Somalia. Then instead of sophmore year I went to Bosnia. My junior year was an airdrop into Northern Afghanistan during the first invasion after 9/11. And senior year was a field trip to Iraq that ended 8/03.
Granted, I may not have the best writing skills and my math might be a tad shady. But college is not the only place to gain maturity or decision making skills or independant thought. In fact, if you feel you picked up those things in college, you probably really had them all along.

[RazielKayne]

I get really agitated when people think I'm just like everyone else. I know employers don't have time to get to know a person so they use a college degree as a quick way to judge applicants. I think it's unfair but who said life's fair?

[K9 Police]

I really love the idea that college somehow makes a person better, than those who haven't attented college.

Maybe not a better person. However, in my opinion, college or military can make a person a better law enforcement officer.

K9

[KippC]

This is funny reading. All this talk of education, but look at spelling mistakes. I know this is a posting forum and not many people will proof read thier work. I have got a BS psychology and I have applied to four agencies (3 of them twice). My parents tell me everyday that I just wasted their money by getting a degree and then applying to become a leo. I have not recieved a phone call or anything else communicating to me that my application is being reviewed or that I should come in for more testing. This indicates to me that there are some better qualified canidates then myself and having a degree or desire to become a leo are not sufficient traits to be hired at this time.

[RazielKayne]

This is funny reading. All this talk of education, but look at spelling mistakes. I know this is a posting forum and not many people will proof read thier work. I have got a BS psychology and I have applied to four agencies (3 of them twice). My parents tell me everyday that I just wasted their money by getting a degree and then applying to become a leo. I have not recieved a phone call or anything else communicating to me that my application is being reviewed or that I should come in for more testing. This indicates to me that there are some better qualified canidates then myself and having a degree or desire to become a leo are not sufficient traits to be hired at this time.

Did I have any spelling or grammar mistakes? I try to proofread before I hit submit.

[phuzz01]

This indicates to me that there are some better qualified canidates then myself and having a degree or desire to become a leo are not sufficient traits to be hired at this time.

That is absolutely correct. You need to have a competitive application ALL THE WAY AROUND. Education is only one component. Other components include high testing scores, possible military experience, community service work, clean criminal and driving records, stable financial history, strong moral character, good reasoning skills, a cool head under pressure. That is why there are so many steps in the hiring process: they want to probe all of these different areas.

I have a BA in Economics, and when I was going through the process, I believed that, education-wise, I was the best qualified candidate remaining. WRONG! Out of the five candidates who made it through the eight rounds of testing (250 originally applied), 3 or 4 had bachelor's degrees, and at least 1 had a masters degree. Luckily, I still got a phone call. The point is, you need to take steps to improve every aspect of your candidacy.