Scootsmo got me to thinkin.

[Norm357]

I have never lived in a State where a citizen could not get a CCW if they followed the rules so I dont know. There are a lot of states passing CCW laws that had never had it before, like Ohio. What kind of training, if any, do officers recieve when this happens?

[oscarmitre]

Very good question Norm - we don't have ccw of course but from the training point of view I would be very interested to read the responses.

[Scruit]

Officers receive? You mean on how to handle a legally armed citizen? I didn't see anything about that in Ohio's new CCW law so I ***/u/me that it's going to be some kind of informal training offered by the individual departments...

[bhanson]

Here in Missouri there will be no official training. Kansas City and St. Louis PD's have issued Policies explaining how they expect their officers to handle CHL permits.

The anti-gun crowd is still very upset the law passed. The St. Louis Chief originally made public statement that any citizen found there with a pistol would have ot provide proof of ownership right then or his officer would confiscate it and not give it back. He recently retired, not sure if the statements were part of the reason.

For some strange reason our Missouri politians (well 49% anyway) believe our residents are far different and untrustworthy than those in the rest of the country. The major media and newspapers are screaming about blood in the streets etc. SIGH. Since such events have NEVER happened elsewhere, I don't understand why they believe they will here. Heck, even Texas hasn't shot everyone in sight!

[oscarmitre]

What about ccw permit holders? Do they receive training in what to do if they are carrying and are stopped by a leo? Given that background checks would obviously show that the person was fit and proper then they would obviously be amenable to training in what to do to avoid a terrible accident. I have read discussions where off-duty police officers have been stopped by on-duty officers and know what to do in terms of advising the officer of their status, that they are carrying, what the weapon is and where it is located etc. I would have thought that a person with a ccw permit should be given that information as well. Any thoughts?

[Norm357]

Here in Missouri there will be no official training. Kansas City and St. Louis PD's have issued Policies explaining how they expect their officers to handle CHL permits.

That seems very irresponsible.

The St. Louis Chief originally made public statement that any citizen found there with a pistol would have ot provide proof of ownership right then or his officer would confiscate it and not give it back.

I would sue the pants off that nazi prick bastard.

For some strange reason our Missouri politians (well 49% anyway) believe our residents are far different and untrustworthy than those in the rest of the country. The major media and newspapers are screaming about blood in the streets etc. SIGH. Since such events have NEVER happened elsewhere, I don't understand why they believe they will here. Heck, even Texas hasn't shot everyone in sight

They say that anywhere they pass CCW legislation. It never happens. Dumbasses

[Norm357]

What about ccw permit holders? Do they receive training in what to do if they are carrying and are stopped by a leo? Given that background checks would obviously show that the person was fit and proper then they would obviously be amenable to training in what to do to avoid a terrible accident. I have read discussions where off-duty police officers have been stopped by on-duty officers and know what to do in terms of advising the officer of their status, that they are carrying, what the weapon is and where it is located etc. I would have thought that a person with a ccw permit should be given that information as well. Any thoughts?

That is a good question Oscar. It varies by state of course, but here in Ga there is no mandatary training requirement. There are however training classes available. Ga has always had CCW laws ( and I mean always) and I have never heard of any incident here where an CCW holder was hurt by an officer. That doesnt mean that it has never happened though. Common sense in my opinion would keep you safe enough in your interaction with law enforcement.

[rdp]

First, we never received training on people that are CCW and what to do with them. The reason is, NV is a state where the people are allowed to posess firearms. We aren't a Nazi state that thinks the citizens shouldn't be armed. Heck, I encourage it every chance I get.

The CCW in NV is only for carrying concealed on your person. You can legally carry open on your person or the weapon can be in the open or concealed in your vehicle. It is no big deal for a good person to have a gun on them or in the car....all that I ask is that you tell me right up front.

Back to the training side, the only type we received dealt with people we arrested or cited that had a CCW or were engaged in criminal activity that may be cause for revocation of a CCW.

[Jynkxxie]

I guess my question is why would the police have to train differently. Just because you have a CCW? Any officer, whether they are dealing with someone that has a CCW or NOT should already somewhat know what to do IMHO. I mean don't they train for the non law abiding citizens that they encounter that do have guns? This does somewhat contradict my last post, however, as a CCW holder I do expect these things. I don't expect to be hand cuffed and put on the ground, (as, at least in my CCW class they told us exaclty what to do and what the laws are for dealing with the police), but as with Scoots, how is the officer supposed to know?

[oscarmitre]

Fair point Jynkxxie. Of course any police officer on a stop should assume that the person could possess a weapon and should be alert to the possibility and be ready to take appropriate action so it doesn't matter if the person has a ccw permit and weapon. If I were a ccw permit holder and stopped by a police officer I know that I would be giving the officer that information asap. And I know I would then comply with directions. Common sense I suppose. But it would be useful, I think, if both the police and the ccw permit holders knew what to do - what to expect from each other in that situation - and were informed or trained in it rather than leaving it up to chance.

[Jynkxxie]

Yeah I just don't understand why this is different I guess. I guess I would just take the causious (sp) approach with everyone. You don't know they have a CCW until they tell you. Or until you run their DL. I would be suspicous of those who don't disclose, but they have laws against that. And those can revoke your license. But if someone tells you they have a gun upon approach and that they have a CCW, I think I would be a little at ease. Those are law abiding citzens. Those that don't disclose when there are laws pertaining to such are the ones I would get the heeby jeebies about. But if someone immediately disclosed to me, then I would disarm them and go on with the stop.

[Ghost 1]

Personally,the only difference in someone who has a CCW permit and someone who doesn't is the one who doesn't will go to jail at the end of the encounter. Not that I am against CCW holders mind you. I'm not against CCW and I'm a pro-carry supporter. But from an officer safety standpoint,I will never assume anything. I expect that a law abiding citizen who I have stopped for whatever reason will follow my commands exactly and with no hesitation. Once the weapon is unloaded and secured,then we'll get to the paperwork part. When the subject shows me the proper paperwork,I.E. the permit,then I will give the weapon back to him/her when the encounter is over with the instruction not to load it until I'm gone. No muss,no fuss,and totally professional.

[oscarmitre]

Thanks ghost - an informative answer.

[Norm357]

Ghost said:

Once the weapon is unloaded and secured,then we'll get to the paperwork part.

I am not going to be comfortable with a stranger, who may not be familer with my weapon, handleing it. I know of one account where an Arizona DPS trooper managed to shoot the dashboard of someone he had stopped when trying to unload the CCW holders weapon. IMH non leo opinion, it would be safer to keep the weapon holstered during the encounter.

In my many interactions with LEOs, from traffic stops, to bumping into a cop in the grocery store, I have never had an officer demand my weapon.

[Norm357]

Jynkxxie said:

I guess my question is why would the police have to train differently.

How about having the officers knowing the law. It would be a damn shame to have a permit holder hooked up like a mope because the officer is ignorant of the law.