Drugs

[female04]

I am taking the exam this June. I have a friend who asked some NYPD about how to answer concerning my drug history and they said to lie. I told the truth for this other job where I had to get security clearance from the DEA and I was told by the recruiter to not even apply b/c they would deny me. Would the NYPD deny me too? I have done more things than pot. I do not smoke and hardly drink now. And the last time I did anthing was Spring 2002.
I want to be honest but I want the job more. I really want to be an officer.

[Jynkxxie]

If you really want to be an officer, than keep with the job a good name. Tell the truth, realizing that a lot of departments from my small scope of knowledge will not hire someone who has experimented or used other kinds of drugs besides Marijuana. Even that is too much.

[nj50]

everyone is going to tell you to tell the truth, and youll get DQ. that is the right thing to do. this isnt to say if its not documented anywhere such as arrest or you admitted it on any public record forms that you couldnt get away with not disclosing it. only you can choose

I am taking the exam this June. I have a friend who asked some NYPD about how to answer concerning my drug history and they said to lie. I told the truth for this other job where I had to get security clearance from the DEA and I was told by the recruiter to not even apply b/c they would deny me. Would the NYPD deny me too? I have done more things than pot. I do not smoke and hardly drink now. And the last time I did anthing was Spring 2002.
I want to be honest but I want the job more. I really want to be an officer.

[99TAC]

This absolutely amazes me! Isn't a police officer supposed to have honesty, integrity, and be of strong moral and ethical character? If you lie about your background then you have failed to meet any of the above mentioned qualities of a police officer. I think Burger King is hiring. :rolleyes:

[nj50]

there are LOTS of LEO's out there that have told candidates to lie. i have even had some tell me to do it, but it was over something so stupid it wasnt worth it. bottom line is it DOES happen. lots and lots of cops out there lied to get their job. now honesty is the right thing, but sometime the right thing, leaves your @#$ broke and unemployed. take care of number one first.

This absolutely amazes me! Isn't a police officer supposed to have honesty, integrity, and be of strong moral and ethical character? If you lie about your background then you have failed to meet any of the above mentioned qualities of a police officer. I think Burger King is hiring. :rolleyes:

[txinvestigator1]

I would respectfully disagree. Take care of number one first? This "me first, its all about me" attitude has caused this country many problems. Police corruption is up due to attitudes as this.

If you mess up, there are consequences. Also, female04, you never know who might report to the BI your drug use. You lie you screw yourself out of a job.
If your drug use keeps you out of LE, there are many other noble and honorable jobs.

[nj50]

so you would sit there. knwoing damn well the guy to your left used like crazy in school, knowing he will lie, you will tell the truth and automatically dq yourself while the acutal drugie gets the job. that doesnt make sense to me. if you lie you said if you lie you will screw yourself out of a job, you are already screwed if you know you have a permanent dq, so what is the difference.

I would respectfully disagree. Take care of number one first? This "me first, its all about me" attitude has caused this country many problems. Police corruption is up due to attitudes as this.

If you mess up, there are consequences. Also, female04, you never know who might report to the BI your drug use. You lie you screw yourself out of a job.
If your drug use keeps you out of LE, there are many other noble and honorable jobs.

[txinvestigator1]

Then difference is integrity. I am not responsible for the guy to my lefts moral behavior, just mine. See, when values are subjective we can just change them at a whim to suit our own selfish desires. When values are Objective, they remain the same, even if it means we suffer. It is never OKay to cheat, lie, steal, etc., just because someone else is. You know that.

In high school I used to watch kids cheat and make better grades than I. But my principles and integrity prevented me from rationalizing immoral behavior and cheating also.

The guy at work is cheating on his wife and getting some strange. I am stuck with the same old woman, so I guess I should cheat too, so he won't be the only one getting to have sex with others? The principle of your exaample and mine is EXACTLY the same. Would you cheat on your wife just because the guy at work is cheating on his?

[nj50]

its completly different. by not cheating on your wife because the other guy is doesnt leave you broke and hunger with no job, or stuck not being able to work the job the ONLY job youve ever wanted to work. not even in the same category

Then difference is integrity. I am not responsible for the guy to my lefts moral behavior, just mine. See, when values are subjective we can just change them at a whim to suit our own selfish desires. When values are Objective, they remain the same, even if it means we suffer. It is never OKay to cheat, lie, steal, etc., just because someone else is. You know that.

In high school I used to watch kids cheat and make better grades than I. But my principles and integrity prevented me from rationalizing immoral behavior and cheating also.

The guy at work is cheating on his wife and getting some strange. I am stuck with the same old woman, so I guess I should cheat too, so he won't be the only one getting to have sex with others? The principle of your exaample and mine is EXACTLY the same. Would you cheat on your wife just because the guy at work is cheating on his?

[ngcsubutterbar]

I would respectfully disagree. Take care of number one first? This "me first, its all about me" attitude has caused this country many problems. Police corruption is up due to attitudes as this.

If you mess up, there are consequences. Also, female04, you never know who might report to the BI your drug use. You lie you screw yourself out of a job.
If your drug use keeps you out of LE, there are many other noble and honorable jobs.

you're right about the first part, dead on even. That applies to many things and many people.

I know some places have a 'time departure' as in if you didn't do anything within 5 years of hire they will oversee the usage. Find out if the places you want to work at are like this and if they have time departure rules follow them and get a good job in the meantime as you finish your 'time'.

I 'personally' think all drug 'abusers' should 'not' be in the profession, and I personally wouldn't allow alchohol consumption as an administrator, but that is just my personal feelings as they are more strict than I've ever heard anyone else talk about it and none of these feelings have have any bearing on this.

[txinvestigator1]

its completly different. by not cheating on your wife because the other guy is doesnt leave you broke and hunger with no job, or stuck not being able to work the job the ONLY job youve ever wanted to work. not even in the same category

OK, so if this person cannot get a LEO job they will be "broke and hunger with no job" (whatever that means) .

I am sorry, but we don't all get to do what we want in life (or I'd be doin Christina Applegate :eek: ) Justify all you want to suit your own selfish desires, its still cheating, and those who do it should never hold a position of trust.

But that is just my opinion.

[nj50]

im just simply debating the other side of the argument. just kinda saying what people are thinking when they do it. thats all nothing more.

as for dc...its funny how many assumptions this man has. he causes the noise. with posts like the one in this thread. nothing in this thread had anything to do with a polygraph

[txinvestigator1]

I think I see the light....yes, there it is. It is bright....I see, I see the truth!!

[nj50]

never once did i ever admit that i couldnt pass one. actually i stated that i failed and passed different polygraphs. but you hear what you want. i was never warned by anyone, at all. and me not liking mcsap is an assumption and another bad one. i have no problem with him, but i do think you are extrememly cocky, hence here we go again

TX, in case you haven't followed the posts, nj50 here is a kid who has been making noise for a couple months about how unfair it is that police departments polygraph applicants. He's admitted that he can't pass one and he's gone on and on about them to the point where Jason warned him then finally banned him. He blew Jason off and came right back under a new name. Morality and ethics aren't something this kid understands.

He doesn't like mcsap or me much because we keep pointing this out.

[metallicat]

Ah, I missed this thread. Seems we don't have to wait long for nj50 to spout his crap to all who read this thread.

Yes, here we go again nj50, until you get banned and then come back, AGAIN.