Any feedback would be appreciated

[Lyndie]

During the NYPD recruitment process - What happens when a BI wants to sign off on a candidate to move them along for hire, but Sgt does not? Does that person get disqualified or does the file still need to be sent for further evaluation by others? Does the Sgt have final say?

My nephew passed everything so far ; psych, drug test, employment and school verifications, neighbor interviews. All final papers are now with his BI, who said she will do all she can. Unfortunately, 6 yrs ago he was arrested for a small amount of Mj found in his parked car. The final disposition was an ACD.

He scored a 96 on police exam, has a 4 yr Criminal Justice degree -and made the dean's list. He has a clean driving record, good credit, employment with same company for years, etc. He wants this so bad and I am just concerned. He also does not drink or do drugs The Mj was his friends, but they were both arrested as it was his car. Thank you for any insight.

[marinepilot]

During the NYPD recruitment process - What happens when an investigator wants to sign off on a candidate to move them along for hire, but Sgt does not? Does that person get disqualified or does the file still need to be pushed up above the Sgt for further evaluation? Does the Sgt have final say?

Lyndie, from this and your intro thread, I didn't get the feeling that you're asking because you're a writer. This forum is for those who are authors and are asking questions about the stories they are writing. Is this the case for you? Or is this a question that would live more happily in the regular "Ask-A-Cop" forum because it's more of a real life situation for you?

I'll leave it here for now since I don't know the answer to my questions above, but if it is not for a story, let me know and we can move it into the correct forum.

[Lyndie]

So sorry, yes I meant to add to the Ask-A-Cop. I apologize. Would you please be so kind to to remove and post there and.....of course feel fee to answer my question as well. T hank you!

[Lyndie]

Yes, please move it. Thank you.

[marinepilot]

Yes, please move it. Thank you.

No problem, thank you for letting me know!!

[Samuel]

Just curious - how do you KNOW that he has successfully passed every stage/test, that the BI has submitted his packet for approval, and that a sergeant wants to disapprove him or otherwise end his processing?

[DeltaV]

Were you there when he got arrested? Are you around him all the time, night and day, so you can confirm that he never drinks and has never used drugs? Something tells me no.

There is more to that story. We don't just arrest people because marijuana is found in their parked car unless they are in or around the car with the marijuana. And whether or not it was his, if he had knowledge of what it was and knew it was in his car then he is still guilty.

This is an example of how past decisions effect your future. With the amount of applications that agencies like the NYPD get, they can be selective enough not to have to hire ANYONE with an arrest history, no matter what it was for and what the disposition was.

[Lyndie]

Thank you for responding. The last time he met with his BI, she had said everything looks great, but he needed to supply one paper re an old job. When he went down to hand deliver it, the BI was out sick and the Sgt said to him something along the lines of " I'll take this from you since you're here, but not sure why you are even bothering to apply, we don't hire people with a record." His BI finally returned and he spoke with her.She that he was bright, polite, committed, and she was going to do all she could.

[Lyndie]

My nephew is an athlete and has been since college. He is very health conscious, and for the 28 years I have been his Aunt, I have never seen a drink in his hand. Has he ever tried pot? When I asked him, he said no, he doesn't put anything into his body and only leaves a clean life.

Re the arrest, they parked their car on a street and started toward a convenience store. Two officers walked over and said that their town has some sort of "noise" curfew, and that they had their radio playing tooloudly. They apologized, explained they we're not from the area. One of the officers said to my nephew is this your car, and he said yes. The officer then said would you mind if I look inside? My nephew allowed him to do so, when clearly he could have said no, indicates, at least to me, he had nothing to hide. Unfortunately, his friend did not possess the same values and had left a few joints on the seat.

Of course I do not follow him around today, nor did I six years prior, but he does not lie. When I asked himto tell me what happened, both then and now, he said, it was not mine and I did not know he had it and he didnt smoke it the car. The officers did not say the smelled smoke nor was there mention of that on the report. To your point, the NY P D is competitive and they should take only the best candidates, and those without any history. Just was curious if he had a chance. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

[Samuel]

Thank you for responding. The last time he met with his BI, she had said everything looks great, but he needed to supply one paper re an old job. When he went down to hand deliver it, the BI was out sick and the Sgt said to him something along the lines of " I'll take this from you since you're here, but not sure why you are even bothering to apply, we don't hire people with a record." His BI finally returned and he spoke with her.She that he was bright, polite, committed, and she was going to do all she could.

ok so 1. you DON'T know anything first hand. 2. you don't KNOW if he successfully passed everything. 3. you don't KNOW exactly what was said in any of his conversations with anyone. 4. you don't KNOW who that particular sergeant is, what his job is, whether or not it's up to him to approve backgrounds or not, if he is going to deny your nephew specifically/in particular, etc.

Maybe that sergeant DOES have final say and is going to disqualify him - maybe that sergeant just happened to be at the counter at that moment and was just making an offhand remark based on his experience/opinion....

[Lyndie]

ok so 1. you DON'T know anything first hand. 2. you don't KNOW if he successfully passed everything. 3. you don't KNOW exactly what was said in any of his conversations with anyone. 4. you don't KNOW who that particular sergeant is, what his job is, whether or not it's up to him to approve backgrounds or not, if he is going to deny your nephew specifically/in particular, etc.

Maybe that sergeant DOES have final say and is going to disqualify him - maybe that sergeant just happened to be at the counter at that moment and was just making an offhand remark based on his experience/opinion....

Whilst not physically there, I am confident the information was correctly relayed to me.
He was told he successfully passed everything. The Sgt is the supervisor to the BI. After completion of all paperwork, the BI makes his recommendations and sigs off, and then it goes to the Sgt. who needs to sign off as well, hence my original question which basically was can he be disqualified at the Sgt level?

The other thing I know is that Sgt's comments "off handed" or not, were inappropriate. If he decides to disqualify him so be it. But here is a young man who is standing before you, who drove one hour to bring you a piece of paper he could have faxed. He is standing before you because he respects you and all that you stand for. He wants to join your team, be a part of your brotherhood, uphold the law and serve the people of NYC. He is a good kid and this jerk takes that moment to what? - humiliate and embarrass him after months of testing and the physical and emotional strain. And why because his friend had a couple of joints in his car 6 years ago? For that he should be humiliated by Sgt when bringing in a piece of paper he was asked to bring?

When the officer (who had no cause ) asked my nephew if it was okay to look inside the car, he could have and should have said no, but in good faith said yes. Unfortunately that moment may have changed his life forever. He would make a great cop and guess what Samuel - that I KNOW!

[Muldoon]

Your assumptions about the NYPD hiring process are wrong; first of all, the sergeant would not have the authority to make the decision whether the application is accepted or not. Nevertheless, the voice of experience (which is what your nephew was hearing) is more often right than idle and uninformed opinions.

I also note that you say "whilst", which I usually don't see except in things written by people from the UK. Are you in the US, or is your information on all this coming not only second hand, but from abroad?

[Samuel]

Whilst not physically there, I am confident the information was correctly relayed to me.

Ok BUT still, not 1st hand info.

He was told he successfully passed everything.

He was told. Were You told by anyone besides him?

The Sgt is the supervisor to the BI. After completion of all paperwork, the BI makes his recommendations and sigs off, and then it goes to the Sgt. who needs to sign off as well, hence my original question which basically was can he be disqualified at the Sgt level?

He can be disqualifed at ANY level - just because BI says "ok" and the next level up past BI also says "ok" does NOT mean he's hired.

The other thing I know is that Sgt's comments "off handed" or not, were inappropriate. If he decides to disqualify him so be it. But here is a young man who is standing before you, who drove one hour to bring you a piece of paper he could have faxed. He is standing before you because he respects you and all that you stand for. He wants to join your team, be a part of your brotherhood, uphold the law and serve the people of NYC. He is a good kid and this jerk takes that moment to what? - humiliate and embarrass him after months of testing and the physical and emotional strain. And why because his friend had a couple of joints in his car 6 years ago? For that he should be humiliated by Sgt when bringing in a piece of paper he was asked to bring?

Again, you weren't there. Could be the sergeant was being flippant. Could be the sergeant was being condescending. Could be the sergeant is/was a jerk. Could be the sergeant was having a bad day. Could be the sergeant was simply being truthful. Could be the sergeant was preparing him for a likely reality. Could be the sergeant was trying to tell him not to put all his eggs in one basket and to have a plan B. Could be your nephew said/did something irritating. ETC

Just because someone is applying to become an LEO doesn't mean he should be one. Just because someone wants to be "one of us" doesn't mean he's a good person. Just because someone's a good person doesn't mean he should be a cop or is capable of doing LE work. I know quite a few good men and women who simply aren't cut out to be LEOs - doesn't make him/her any less of a good person.

When the officer (who had no cause ) asked my nephew if it was okay to look inside the car, he could have and should have said no, but in good faith said yes.

ASSuming yet again. How do you KNOW the officer had no reason to search? Were you there? Or, did the officer personally tell YOU that his only basis for searching the car was Consent? I doubt it.

Unfortunately that moment may have changed his life forever. He would make a great cop and guess what Samuel - that I KNOW!

Are you a sworn officer Lyndie? Have you ever been? What knowledge base, training, and or experience do you have that would allow you to KNOW whether someone/anyone would make a great cop? Besides loving and supporting your nephew, I'm guessing the answer is NONE.

I'm ASSuming your nephew is a grown man and can fight his own battles/stand up for himself. If/when he gets hired - he's going to experience much worse stress and frustration on the job. This little baloney, including the possibly inappropriate comments, is NOTHING.

[Lyndie]

Your assumptions about the NYPD hiring process are wrong; first of all, the sergeant would not have the authority to make the decision whether the appication is accepted or not. Nevertheless, the voice of experience (which is what your nephew was hearing) is more often right than idle and uninformed opinions.

I also note that you say "whilst", which I usually don't see except in things written by people from the UK. Are you in the US, or is your information on all this coming not only second hand, but from abroad?

Thank you for replying and for providing correct info. Would you be able to please provide info re what really happens after his packt is signed off by BI if you would be so kind.

Unless "UK" now stands for a town off the L.I.E. and not the United Kingdom. I am just a Long Island girl who happens to use "whilst" - became a habit from my days working for a NYS Supreme Court Judge and typing all those decisions!

[Lyndie]

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