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    Breathalyzer

    I was wondering if a breathalyzer can be manipulated? I got a DWI a few years back, NO IM NOT IN DENIAL I HAD A COUPLE BEERS! Basically I drove, got pulled over, and got hauled in. Heres where the question comes into play I blew into the Intoxalyzer 5000 twice got the print out and it showed a .08 but as the paper reads 1st blow .087 at 327L 2nd blow .084 at 287L but on the final line it showed .08 at 210L now if all they needed was 210L why did I have to blow till I was completely out of air in my lungs both times so honestly was it manipulation for a dwi or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodcopbadcop View Post
    I was wondering if a breathalyzer can be manipulated? I got a DWI a few years back, NO IM NOT IN DENIAL I HAD A COUPLE BEERS! Basically I drove, got pulled over, and got hauled in. Heres where the question comes into play I blew into the Intoxalyzer 5000 twice got the print out and it showed a .08 but as the paper reads 1st blow .087 at 327L 2nd blow .084 at 287L but on the final line it showed .08 at 210L now if all they needed was 210L why did I have to blow till I was completely out of air in my lungs both times so honestly was it manipulation for a dwi or what?
    We were trained to instruct the suspect to empty their lungs and we needed two corroborating (agreeing) samples within tolerance (.02, consecutive samples are unnecessary). Deep-lung samples are necessar as shallow lung samples many be diluted and give lower readings.
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    And no, it can't be manipulated. The instrument has a series of checks to determine when it has a sufficient air supply and air flow to determine breath alcohol content. There is nothing I can do to manipulate it. If you are adamant that you only had a "couple" beers, then the instrument may have been wrong by some chance. However, with the amount of checks and inspections those things go through on a routine basis, I'm willing to stake a paycheck on the instrument being correct. With a couple meaning two, two will not put you at a .08. Four only puts me around a .03-.04ish. I'm more willing to bet that you are incorrect with your "couple" statements.
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    And, at least here, you give two samples and are charged with the lowest of the two...
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    The taking of the two samples is to make sure both are within .02 of each other, meaning they're consistant. Our machines are inspected every couple months by the state. Also, each machine has a series of internal tests and checks run each time it is being prepared for a sample.
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    As others have said, deep lung samples are the most accurate and will also be the highest. A breath alcohol testing instrument is never going to give an exact blood alcohol level and will always give lower readings than a blood test unless there is residual mouth alcohol (which is prevented by the observation period).

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    By reading all the post I can tell everyone is in defence mode do you see how I just got to the point of the question and didnt give a sob life story I didnt ask if I was guilty or not I wanted to know if a machine could be manipulated or not and guessing by the replies its very possiable

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodcopbadcop View Post
    By reading all the post I can tell everyone is in defence mode do you see how I just got to the point of the question and didnt give a sob life story I didnt ask if I was guilty or not I wanted to know if a machine could be manipulated or not and guessing by the replies its very possiable
    Big deal, you found a video of a lawyer saying he can beat it. Since he makes his living off of people gullible enough to believe his crap, I don't doubt there are quite a few of these out there. The reason you need to blow, blow, blow is because the machine requires a certain specific volume of air. If the officer tries to "manipulate" the result by having you stop blowing when the alcohol level reaches that of the first test, the machine won't take that as a valid test because the volume of air won't be met. Bet you didn't think of that 'cause your lawyer buddy didn't mention it, right?

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    yeah yeah yeah I got ur message see thats the problem with this site as soon as somebody challenges authourity you all get defensive and you didnt pay attention to the video sure you need enough air volume to get a resault but what the problem is that you keep going and going and going for a higher and higher and higher BAC but it really doesnt matter because people without badges of authority we will never be right about anything right? We the people dont have rights. Even tho all of you took an oath to up hold the law you just basically make it up as you go and hope it sticks!

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    Also the intoxylizer 5000 is not used in Florida. We use the Intoxylizer 8000.
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    Not to mention your breath alcohol doesnt keep going up with the more air you give it. If a sufficent sample is given the breath alcohol will eventually level off after a certain point when enough air is provided. There are several errors that will happen if the the breath alcohol level doesn't do this, and the sample will be rejected. And again, your video's are irrelevent as the instrument used in them is no longer utilized, at least in the state of Florida.
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