Questions on Narratives Florida

[ShellyRose60]

If someone could help me with a few questions:

1. Can someone other than the Officer who submitted his/her narrative, be modified by another officer or higher ranking Officer? Questions for both a Narrative O and Narrative S

2. If an Officer is called to a Suicide WB check and has a conversation with the subject. Does he/she have to submit a written report/narrative on his interractions with the subject for the event?

Thank you

[marinepilot]

If someone could help me with a few questions:

1. Can someone other than the Officer who submitted his/her narrative, be modified by another officer or higher ranking Officer? Questions for both a Narrative O and Narrative S

2. If an Officer is called to a Suicide WB check and has a conversation with the subject. Does he/she have to submit a written report/narrative on his interractions with the subject for the event?

Thank you

Not quite sure if I'm understanding your questions correctly, but I'll do my best to answer them:

1) I am assuming you mean by Narrative O the original (or initial) narrative, and by Narrative S the supplemental narrative? If so, the basic truthful answer in my agency at least, is yes, my supervisor can change my narrative before he approves it. That usually does not happen, however, other than maybe a typo, because that is basically MY sworn statement on my investigation and I have to testify to it in court. If my Sgt. wants something changed in my narrative, he calls me once he's read it and we talk about what he doesn't like, and if need be, I will call back and change that part, but then it remains in my own words.

2) Not quite sure what a Suicide WB check is, but I'm guessing that since the officer had a conversation with the suicidal subject, it's not an attempt (especially not a completed one). In my agency that's called suicidal threats. Again, the answer is a grey area. If someone else called in (Person A) saying that Person B was talking about suicide, and when I get there, Person B seems perfectly okay and doesn't mention suicide to me at all, I probably would not have to write a report. That being said, I personally would write a report about it, because Person B could just be shining me on, and then when I leave, if Person B attempts suicide, and it becomes known I was there previously, I feel that blood is on my hands. So, my report in that case would be to cover my rear. If Person B does indicate to me he/she is suicidal, I have the power and obligation to involuntarily commit that person for up to 3 days in Florida.

Hope those answer help some.

[DeltaV]

1. Yes.

2. No.

[ShellyRose60]

Thank you.

Lets try this one....

A 911 dispatch call is in for a wreckless driver. The wreckless driver happens to be the subject from the two earlier 911 calls. It is now 17:38 only two hours from the Suicide check that was done at 15:35. Two officer's arrive at subjects residence within minutes. And then two more Officer's arrive within 3-4 minutes from that time. The subject hands the Officer her Concealed weapons ID. The Officer tells her that he will need her DL. She tells the Officer that is in her house. The Officer allows her to go into her residence to obtain it. During this time, the passenger BM gets out of the passenger side of the truck and the 911 caller begins to yell at him, telling him that he was driving. He retaliates and yells and tells her he wasn't driving. (which is confirmed). At 17:50:22 all four officer's put their attention towards the passenger. The passenger is yelling at the Officer's that they can't let the subject enter her home alone and that someone needs to go in there with her. They ignore him and tell him if he does't shut up, they will take him to jail. Ten minutes go by and the passenger tells them, "It doesn't take more than 5 minuts to get a license. At THAT time, the Officer's run for the door, upon entering they hear a shot fired. They locate the subject within seconds.

At or around 18:001:24 the subject shoots herself. The Officer's then wait 2 1/2 minutes before even calling for a medic. At 18:03:39 they call in a 27D03 and then at 18:04:25 change it to a 9B, which aborts EMS response and the case is closed. The subject however, is still alive, breathing and conscious, but completely helpless. They give the subject no aide and then at times leave her alone in the dark in the back yard face down in the dirt bleeding out. At no time from 18:04:25 until paramedics arrive did any of those Officer's ever change the code. It remains that way for 8 minutes. They also denied the next door neighbor who is a RN access to help the subject, more than two times. This is actually on video.

An officer arrives at 18:09:23 and see's the subject is laying face down in the dirt, still breathing, alive, conscious and responding, while one of the other Officer's is standing a foot away from her head. This new Officer turns her over and apply's pressure to her wound in the left arm pit. He talks to her and she can respond by blinking.

at 18:11:47 the Rescue truck arrives and once with the subject/patient, immediately calls for an AirLift and all available vehicles and changes the code to a 9E. Patient is unresponsive and has a GLW >6.

Dispatch again dispatches Engine ## to the scene for a second time.

at 18:23 AirLift has arrived at the LZ. Patient is then transferred to the Rescue unit at 18:25:10. At 18:25:45 patient goes into V-tach and never recovers. Airlift crew try to resisitate her for 20 minutes.She is pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital.

One EMS crew file a chief complaint and will not sign the EMS report form. He signs it as "Distress Level". The EMS crew are livid and make a couple of comments to the Officer's, that is recorded by 911 dispatch.


Once the victims leaves in the Rescue unit, the Officer's detain the passenger and raid the victims house for almost an hour. They find nothing. However, they do leave the "Good bye note" that the victim wrote during those 10 minutes on top of the counter top and a loaded pellet gun in a drawer.

Then the call the victims Mom while she is still at the hospital and tells her she cannot access her daughters residence. The victims Mom tells them that she needs to get the dogs. The Officer tells her she can't and then preceeds to lock the victims 4 dogs in the closet for the entire night. They tell the victims Mom that no one can enter the residence till tomorrow morning. Eventhough the FD had already cleaned up the biohazard from the back yard at 20:00 hours. The next day the victims, Mom sends her Son in Law to recover the dogs. He has to break in to get them. They left no food or water in the closet for them.

There were 3 Sgts and 1 Lt on the scene. None of them wrote a any kind of statement or supplement. However, one of the Sgts did go into the only Officer who gave the victim aide's Orginal Report and modifies 1 1/2 hours later, and then immediately after that the other four Officer's submit their Supplement reports.

The Detective on the case, never takes any statements from any of the witnesses.

[Samuel]

Thank you.

Lets try this one....

What do you mean "lets try this one"???

A 911 dispatch call is in for a wreckless driver.

Why would a 911 call be placed for a driver who hasn't crashed?

The wreckless driver happens to be the subject from the two earlier 911 calls.

RECKless. RECKless. NO W. Moving on. Who placed the other 911 calls; what were the other 911 calls for; and how do you know this driver is related to the other 911 calls???

It is now 17:38 only two hours from the Suicide check that was done at 15:35.

What "suicide check"? Who did a suicide check, where was it done, who was the person checked, and why was a suicide check performed/requested???

Two officer's arrive at subjects residence within minutes.

What subject? What residence? Why did two officers arrive at a residence?

And then two more Officer's arrive within 3-4 minutes from that time. The subject hands the Officer her Concealed weapons ID.

Why would two more officers also respond? Why did the subject hand an officer a concealed weapons ID (identification?)? What's the significance? Where did contact take place? What kind of contact was it?

The Officer tells her that he will need her DL. She tells the Officer that is in her house. The Officer allows her to go into her residence to obtain it.

Why would the driver need her DL (driver's license?)? Why would the officer allow her to go back in her house?

During this time, the passenger BM gets out of the passenger side of the truck and the 911 caller begins to yell at him, telling him that he was driving. He retaliates and yells and tells her he wasn't driving. (which is confirmed).

What passenger? What is "BM"? What truck? What does a passenger BM and truck have anything to do with the extremely disjointed story so far? Who is the 911 caller, where is the 911 caller, and why did that person call 911? What does the truck and BM have to do with a 911 caller? Who confirmed what?

At 17:50:22 all four officer's put their attention towards the passenger.

How do you know that it was exactly 1750 hours and 22 seconds when "all four officer's put their attention towards the passenger"? The passenger is the BM or is there another person in another vehicle, or another person in the truck, or what?

The passenger is yelling at the Officer's that they can't let the subject enter her home alone and that someone needs to go in there with her.

Who is the subject again? Is the subject the BM or the woman with the concealed weapons ID or whomever it was who was the subject of the two/three 911 calls at the beginning of this story? Why would "the passenger" yell for the officers not to allow "the subject" to enter her (own?) home? Do these people know each other? How are they related?

They ignore him and tell him if he does't shut up, they will take him to jail. Ten minutes go by and the passenger tells them, "It doesn't take more than 5 minuts to get a license. At THAT time, the Officer's run for the door, upon entering they hear a shot fired. They locate the subject within seconds.

Ok, wait, so IF the woman with the concealed weapons ID, who is the owner of the house, is she the subject or is the passenger of the truck the subject or is there more than one subject (and if so, shouldn't it be Subject 1 and Subject 2)? Why would the officers "run for the door" simply because someone says that it doesn't take more than 5 minutes to get a license (psst, they wouldn't)? Where was the person who shot and how do you know the officers located the shooter "within seconds"?

At or around 18:001:24 the subject shoots herself.

Is this Subject 1 or Subject 2 or Subject 3 or what? And is it "AT" or "AROUND"??? How do you know, to the second, when she shot herself??? If you know exactly to the second, when she shot herself, then why are you saying "around"???

The Officer's then wait 2 1/2 minutes before even calling for a medic.

How do you know they didn't call a medic prior to 2 1/2 minutes passed by?

At 18:03:39 they call in a 27D03 and then at 18:04:25 change it to a 9B, which aborts EMS response and the case is closed.

WTF is a 27D03 and WTF is a 9B? Btw, if a person is sick/injured, they would NOT cancel emergency personnel response. Also btw, from 1801 hours and 24 seconds (assuming that's what you meant when you typed 18:001:24) to 1803 hours and 39 seconds, is NOT 2 1/2 minutes.

The subject however, is still alive, breathing and conscious, but completely helpless.

How do you know?

They give the subject no aide and then at times leave her alone in the dark in the back yard face down in the dirt bleeding out.

She was in the back yard? Then how did they find her in seconds by running into the house? Explain "at times".

At no time from 18:04:25 until paramedics arrive did any of those Officer's ever change the code.

What significance is "18:04:25"??? How did paramedics arrive if "EMS" was canceled? How do you know the "code" wasn't changed?

It remains that way for 8 minutes. They also denied the next door neighbor who is a RN access to help the subject, more than two times. This is actually on video.

How do you know "8 minutes"? How do you know that the neighbor was denied access? How do you know there wasn't a good reason for denial of access? What video? Who/what was taking the video? From where was the video being filmed? How did you see the video? ETC

An officer arrives at 18:09:23 and see's the subject is laying face down in the dirt, still breathing, alive, conscious and responding, while one of the other Officer's is standing a foot away from her head. This new Officer turns her over and apply's pressure to her wound in the left arm pit. He talks to her and she can respond by blinking.

Ok, at this point, I'm just plain tired of pointing out how BULLSH1T this story is... Too many other inconsistencies and utter crap in the rest of the story below to point out...



at 18:11:47 the Rescue truck arrives and once with the subject/patient, immediately calls for an AirLift and all available vehicles and changes the code to a 9E. Patient is unresponsive and has a GLW >6.

Dispatch again dispatches Engine ## to the scene for a second time.

at 18:23 AirLift has arrived at the LZ. Patient is then transferred to the Rescue unit at 18:25:10. At 18:25:45 patient goes into V-tach and never recovers. Airlift crew try to resisitate her for 20 minutes.She is pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital.

One EMS crew file a chief complaint and will not sign the EMS report form. He signs it as "Distress Level". The EMS crew are livid and make a couple of comments to the Officer's, that is recorded by 911 dispatch.


Once the victims leaves in the Rescue unit, the Officer's detain the passenger and raid the victims house for almost an hour. They find nothing. However, they do leave the "Good bye note" that the victim wrote during those 10 minutes on top of the counter top and a loaded pellet gun in a drawer.

Then the call the victims Mom while she is still at the hospital and tells her she cannot access her daughters residence. The victims Mom tells them that she needs to get the dogs. The Officer tells her she can't and then preceeds to lock the victims 4 dogs in the closet for the entire night. They tell the victims Mom that no one can enter the residence till tomorrow morning. Eventhough the FD had already cleaned up the biohazard from the back yard at 20:00 hours. The next day the victims, Mom sends her Son in Law to recover the dogs. He has to break in to get them. They left no food or water in the closet for them.

There were 3 Sgts and 1 Lt on the scene. None of them wrote a any kind of statement or supplement. However, one of the Sgts did go into the only Officer who gave the victim aide's Orginal Report and modifies 1 1/2 hours later, and then immediately after that the other four Officer's submit their Supplement reports.

The Detective on the case, never takes any statements from any of the witnesses.

Go get a lawyer... Oh and welcome to Ignore... ::CLICK::

[mcsap]

Thank you.

Lets try this one....

A 911 dispatch call is in for a wreckless driver. The wreckless driver happens to be the subject from the two earlier 911 calls. It is now 17:38 only two hours from the Suicide check that was done at 15:35. Two officer's arrive at subjects residence within minutes. And then two more Officer's arrive within 3-4 minutes from that time. The subject hands the Officer her Concealed weapons ID. The Officer tells her that he will need her DL. She tells the Officer that is in her house. The Officer allows her to go into her residence to obtain it. During this time, the passenger BM gets out of the passenger side of the truck and the 911 caller begins to yell at him, telling him that he was driving. He retaliates and yells and tells her he wasn't driving. (which is confirmed). At 17:50:22 all four officer's put their attention towards the passenger. The passenger is yelling at the Officer's that they can't let the subject enter her home alone and that someone needs to go in there with her. They ignore him and tell him if he does't shut up, they will take him to jail. Ten minutes go by and the passenger tells them, "It doesn't take more than 5 minuts to get a license. At THAT time, the Officer's run for the door, upon entering they hear a shot fired. They locate the subject within seconds.

At or around 18:001:24 the subject shoots herself. The Officer's then wait 2 1/2 minutes before even calling for a medic. At 18:03:39 they call in a 27D03 and then at 18:04:25 change it to a 9B, which aborts EMS response and the case is closed. The subject however, is still alive, breathing and conscious, but completely helpless. They give the subject no aide and then at times leave her alone in the dark in the back yard face down in the dirt bleeding out. At no time from 18:04:25 until paramedics arrive did any of those Officer's ever change the code. It remains that way for 8 minutes. They also denied the next door neighbor who is a RN access to help the subject, more than two times. This is actually on video.

An officer arrives at 18:09:23 and see's the subject is laying face down in the dirt, still breathing, alive, conscious and responding, while one of the other Officer's is standing a foot away from her head. This new Officer turns her over and apply's pressure to her wound in the left arm pit. He talks to her and she can respond by blinking.

at 18:11:47 the Rescue truck arrives and once with the subject/patient, immediately calls for an AirLift and all available vehicles and changes the code to a 9E. Patient is unresponsive and has a GLW >6.

Dispatch again dispatches Engine ## to the scene for a second time.

at 18:23 AirLift has arrived at the LZ. Patient is then transferred to the Rescue unit at 18:25:10. At 18:25:45 patient goes into V-tach and never recovers. Airlift crew try to resisitate her for 20 minutes.She is pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital.

One EMS crew file a chief complaint and will not sign the EMS report form. He signs it as "Distress Level". The EMS crew are livid and make a couple of comments to the Officer's, that is recorded by 911 dispatch.


Once the victims leaves in the Rescue unit, the Officer's detain the passenger and raid the victims house for almost an hour. They find nothing. However, they do leave the "Good bye note" that the victim wrote during those 10 minutes on top of the counter top and a loaded pellet gun in a drawer.

Then the call the victims Mom while she is still at the hospital and tells her she cannot access her daughters residence. The victims Mom tells them that she needs to get the dogs. The Officer tells her she can't and then preceeds to lock the victims 4 dogs in the closet for the entire night. They tell the victims Mom that no one can enter the residence till tomorrow morning. Eventhough the FD had already cleaned up the biohazard from the back yard at 20:00 hours. The next day the victims, Mom sends her Son in Law to recover the dogs. He has to break in to get them. They left no food or water in the closet for them.

There were 3 Sgts and 1 Lt on the scene. None of them wrote a any kind of statement or supplement. However, one of the Sgts did go into the only Officer who gave the victim aide's Orginal Report and modifies 1 1/2 hours later, and then immediately after that the other four Officer's submit their Supplement reports.

The Detective on the case, never takes any statements from any of the witnesses.

If you believe that EVERYTHING in this story is TRUE and it can be proven , why are you wasting your time on the internet ? Lawyers LOVE easily proven " malpractice " lawsuits.

PS Were you THERE when this occurred or is the info ALL SECOND HAND ?

[ShellyRose60]

Money is not what I seek.

My daughter is the one who died that night.

I have the proof. I have obtained all reports, along with eye witness statements. I have reviewed all of the event reports, EMS reports, FD Disptach Log, Detective's Investigation Report, all three (3) of the 911recorded calls, and radio recordings from each officer that was envolved on that day. I have investigated myself, the chief complaint, that one of the EMS crew reported. I have verified this with the the FD Administration Office. I have called and asked many if not several questions, concerning the different languages and codes that each different agency uses; from Police radio codes, to the CAD dispatch and Event log report codes and the CAD ProQA Med dispatch codes for that specific area and confirmed them with the 911 dispatch Sheriff's Office.

I have walked for days knocking on doors to see if anyone saw anything that night. And if they did, I ONLY wanted to know what they saw, not what they thought, or what some one told them. Only wanted them to tell me what they saw and heard with their own eyes. During this time, I learned that two of the eye witnesses, had taken videos of the event with their phones. They freely gave those phones to me. I have not downloaded, edited or removed the videos from the phones. They confirm the date and time stamp codes for arrival of Officer's, EMS arrival time, the Registered Nurse's request to help and aide, who was my daughters friend and next door neighbor. They also confirm Subject #2's witness statment, who was the passenger in my daughters truck.

I don't react on emotion, but on facts and science. And I know between those two eliments the truth will be found. I would never intentionally tarnish someone's reputation to satisfy my own grief. I myself, MUST know, that I have discovered and confirmed the truth of that night, before bringing or submitting 12-13 complaints, requesting a formal investigation to be opened by Internal Affairs.

Nothing will bring my daughter back to me. But my soul and her spirit cannot be at rest yet. I will not bury my daughter till it is. And if some how, some way, some day, the actions I have taken, will bring a change for the greater good. That is all I can hope for.

If I offended you, that was not my intention. I have no prejudice for the Blue. Anyone who puts their life on the line for me and my family every day, I have great respect for. My brother is a blue and he told me the only way he could kind of console me was to say this..... "In life, there are good and bad people, and in that you can conclude, cops are not excluded."

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

[DeltaV]

I don't react on emotion, but on facts and science. And I know between those two eliments the truth will be found. I would never intentionally tarnish someone's reputation to satisfy my own grief. I myself, MUST know, that I have discovered and confirmed the truth of that night, before bringing or submitting 12-13 complaints, requesting a formal investigation to be opened by Internal Affairs.

They should not have left the dogs confined in a closet without access to food and water. Either animal control or another responsible friend/family member should have been given the dogs. That's the only thing that I see that the officers really did wrong if the entire account of the situation is correct as you put it. Maybe they should have also tried to give first aid to make it look like they were doing something, but basic first aid would have been an exercise in futility if internal blood vessels or organs were damaged which is what it appears happened.

I do not understand what your obsession is over the dispatch codes. Who cares if the officers changed the code to cancel EMS, as obviously EMS never cancelled and still arrived on scene? Once they arrived on scene they're going to do what they think is necessary regardless of any code or change to a code.

Your daughter made the conscious decision to use a firearm to end her life. The time for her to receive meaningful help wasn't at 18:01:24, the time for her to receive help was in the days, months, and years prior to the event by addressing the issues that led her to make that decision and preventing her mental state from getting to that point. If someone is intent on taking their own life then the bottom line is that they're going to do it. You can blame whoever you want for your daughter's death if it makes you feel better and helps you cope with your loss, however it doesn't change who pulled the trigger.

[Samuel]

Nicely said DeltaV.

Now, if the OP had only:
1. explained the tragic situation and expressed her concerns IN FULL from the beginning, instead of trying to backdoor her way around
2. done a (MUCH) better job of telling the story with an explanation of where she got her information - without the attitude, finger pointing, and pretentiousness (using radio codes )

She would have gotten a (MUCH) different response from me and wouldn't now be on Ignore...

and +1000000 on Delta's last paragraph!

[ShellyRose60]

Delta and Samuel,

A little defensive, aren't we......and assuming too!

If a member of your family was severly injured, and needed immediate medical care, do you think it would be important if they dispatched an ALS or BLS crew? And wouldn't it be equally important if she was transported by ambulance adding an additional 35 minutes of travel time to the nearest Level 1 Trauma unit, or by AirFlight, which would only take 12 minutes? And do you really think the EMS team would be hauling ***, to get to someone who the police dispatched as dead ?

I guess someone decided that these are important life saving measures and have implemented them in all dispatch software, so someone doesn't come to a gun fight with a knife!

The only glitch is.... The person calling it in, must properly inform the dispatcher of the level of injury, in order for it to work.

But, what do I know!

I know...I know.. I am on ignore!

[CPL1897]

Ive stayed away from this one until now due to the habit I have of not answering posts until I "have a feel" for the OP etc. so in answering the post I can only say first, regardless of how some may have responded WE ARE ALL SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS...I have investigated many intentionally homicides, which include suicides (Suicide is still homocide) and it never gets any easier to notify and speak with family about the passing of their loved one..So I am deaply sorry for your loss regardless of how your daughters life was taken.. Second, I can understand why you would want to know the details of how she passed and if every attempt to save her life was made, WE WOULD ALL DO THE SAME! Third, as for the codes etc. I am unfamilar with the ones you referr to as all agencies use different codes, the codes are important to some degree, example being a code meaning "deceased" when the person is not, that would affect EMS response time and preperation etc. Fourth, unfortunately it sounds like there may have been MANY "bad judgement calls" made that night (not renderring aide, letting her go inside to retrieve a weapon, locking the dogs in a closet etc.).

Lastly, I will only say this: I was not there and YOU were not there, I dont know of any LE that would knowingly allow a suicidal person to enter a residence without an escort, or fail to render aid, or knowingly
put themsleves or others (your daughter) in danger.. A lot of what you stated as far the events as they unfolded make no common sense to me, an example would be allowing her to enter the residence (she could have exited with the gun and used it others or forced the officers to shoot her ("suicide by cop")...As I said WE were not there, and as Supervisor and Investigator with years of experience based ONLY on what you have posted it does not sound like any Policies or Laws were violated on the OFFICERS part, but a lot of "bad judgement descisions were made...

If you want anything "good" to come from this as it sounds that is your goal my suggestion would be to
speak to someone not involved in the incident (someone with a high rank) and explain your concerns and what mistakes you "feel" were made and ask them if the Officers reactions were "normal" and if so explain how you feel things should have have been done differently, it may get you nowhere or it may actually change the way things are done in the future...

Im sorry for your loss, and even though she chose to take her life you will at
least know you did what you could after this happened....

[Samuel]

Also Nicely said CPL.

Again, a tragedy and you can tell that the OP is emotionally lashing out because of all the nitpicking - as much as pets can be part of the family - the biggest deal is that a Daughter chose to end her life and IF there were any mistakes made in dealing with her, locking dogs in a closet PALES in comparison...

[ShellyRose60]

Thank you Cpl1897,

An Internal Affairs investigation is in progress. The FBI are also investigating. I personally paid for and obtained teh 900 page Policy and Procedure Manual. It clearly states that the Officer's first priority is to render aid ~ first aid and or Basic Life Support, even if it means a suspect would escape. This is how important it is to save a human life above all else.

I personally canvased my daughters neighborhood and obtained witness statements and videos showing the Officer's denying the Registered Nurse access to give her aid. It also shows them all standing in front of my daughters house, while my daughter is laying face down in the dirt in the back yard bleeding.

I have also acquired the radio transmissions of all officers that night. The officers clearly state that my daughter is alive, breathing and at one point say she is still moving. But, they do nothing. Because they didn't even roll her over to check her, they called it in initially has a shot to the head, which is wasn't. She shot herself under her armpit. They corrected this 9 minutes later and called in a shot to the chest area ONLY when another officer arrived on scene and immediately rolled her over and began to put pressure on her wound.

It is one thing to take themselves out of the equation, but when they took all other options out, they gave her a 100% mortality rate. I would hope that is a direct violation not only of their P&P, but also of her civil rights and not considered just "bad judgement".

After interviewing several working peers of the PD. It is very apparent they have an unwritten silent code, that they will not give any kind of aid to in injured person. This is confirmed by an interview I had with a lady in charge of the 911 dispatch EMS communications center, a LT and a secretary in the FD administration officer.

If these officer's are going to implement their own codes, the public they serve has a right to know. I am sure, my daughter didn't even think they would just let her lay there and die. But, they did and she did.

My anger and grief is only directed at those few officer's and all those that followed to cover it up, not Police Departments in general. Please don't take my tone in anger towards you. It isn't.

Knowing that my daughter suffered during her last few percious moments on this earth, is absolutely horrifying to me.

Shelly

[Citicop]

Shelly-

I'm sorry about your daughter.

With so many investigations going and so much information you have at your disposal that no one here has access to, I don't think that anyone here can comment beyond what has already been said.

I hope you find peace.

-Citicop.