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    Unhappy ...Am I screwed for life?? Please help!!

    To all who may be concerned with this matter...


    I have a question that I was hoping
    that any one could help me with.

    Back in September of 2010...
    I was involved in an altercation with another person.

    Although no one was assaulted, hurt or injured...
    a rather expensive item of property was damaged
    as a result of me shoving it after the person grabbed me.

    As luck would have it, the police were called...
    and take a wild guess who was arrested??
    (it was me!!).

    Again. no one was hurt or injured...
    however, this very expensive item of property was damaged
    and I was arrested and charged with 2nd Degree Criminal Mischief
    (which is a Class D Felony in the State of New York).

    (Note:
    The reason it was a Felony charge was because
    of the amount of the property in question.
    In this case, t was an expensive computer-like item...
    so naturally... it was a bit pricey. (around $2,500).


    Just to give an example...
    in the State of NY (where I was charged)...
    and perhaps in other States...

    ...If you steal something,
    as long as the amount is not
    over $1,000 and/or is under $999.99...
    it is only Petit Theft/ Larceny.

    However...
    if you intentionally/ recklessly damage something
    in excess of $250.00 (which that item in question was)
    it is a FELONY!!.... go figure.

    Of course, in this day and age...
    is there anything of value that is NOT
    close to or in excess of $250??
    ).


    Anyway...
    after a long, drawn out ordeal with the DA....
    the charge was (eventually) reduced to
    Fourth Degree Criminal Mischief
    (which is a Class A Misdemeanor in NY).


    I pleaded with the DA to drop that
    misdemeanor down to a Disorderly Conduct...
    but the guy was a real harda$$...
    and the farthest he would go was a misdemeanor.

    (Note:
    This was my first time I had EVER
    had any trouble/ offenses/ run-ins with the law).


    Make no mistake about it...
    I seriously considered taking that case to trial
    (which is why this "ordeal" lasted for over 9 months)...

    But, in the end...
    I certainly DID NOT want to risk the chance
    of having a Felony on my record...
    which is the (ONLY!!) reason why I did not take it to trial.


    So, as it stands now...
    I am a 34 year old veteran with 9 years
    of collective service of the US Army...
    (I just ETS'ed in 01 November of 2010)...

    ...and I also have my first (and only)
    Class A Misdemeanor on my record
    and I certainly do not plan on
    making this habit.


    In case anyone is wondering...
    My whole point & purpose of trying to fight for that
    Disorderly Conduct was because I knew ahead of time
    that even a misdemeanor on my record could
    cause problems for me later on down the road....

    but, again...

    the DA wouldn't budge...
    even after I explained to him
    my plans for the future.

    And so, I picked what I considered
    to be the lesser of two evils
    (ie, either a felony... or a misdemeanor).


    So now... my question is:

    Is my life over??

    Am I, in fact, dead in the water...
    with my hopes of (eventually)
    becoming a Police Officer over??


    Am I better of just commiting suicide
    with a misdemeanor on my record??


    (Ha, ha!! JK!! Well... maybe. )


    Any help I could get regarding this matter
    will be very much appreciated.

    Thank you all & Merry Christmas...
    and God Bless.

    VS

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    I think you have a chance.

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    I feel any conviction beyond simple traffic infractions will be a significant problem for a candidate especially if it occurred within the last 5 years. There's always exceptions but that's my honest answer. Even multiple infractions will cause some concern.

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    Regardless of your opinion , you committed a felony and got arrested. You got a plea deal down to a Misd and moved on. Will this charge and how recent it was effect your chances of getting hired ? Yes.

    You will be competing against others who were never arrested. And it was just over a year ago. I would not discourage you from applying but this will be an issue. All I can say is to keep piling on as many GOOD things that you can do to try and minimize how this looks.

    Some depts may flatly reject you , some will want you to have a few years from your arrest. Go and apply and see what happens.

    While you have done your best to sugarcoat your offense , you need to do a little more accepting responsibility for what you did. Without belittling the law ( that you may have to enforce) , say what you did , that it was pled to a Misd and that you have stayed out of trouble.
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    I'll qualify my response a bit. Yes you're in trouble. Are you dead in the water? No.

    BUT, a lot depends on the circumstances. As a BI, I'd be a lot more inclined to overlook this incident if you were say, breaking up a domestic where a guy was pushing around a woman rather than if you were drunk and simply got stupid.
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    Since you weren't convicted of a felony you aren't officially disqualified at most departments (although some states do disqualify those who have class A / first degree misdemeanor convictions), however it's a huge hurdle to jump and will really hurt you when you're compared with other applicants.

    You were arrested and charged with a felony, which you committed. The only reason that the felony was dropped to a misdemeanor was your lack of a criminal record. This is a common occurrence. That's going to be a big blemish on your record. Also, if you try to minimize it like you have here by saying how the law is flawed and it really shouldn't be a felony, that will probably get your application thrown into the trash faster than anything else. I really don't understand why you're minimizing it either. Sure the law might say damage to anything over $250 is a felony and that may be low, however what you destroyed was ten times that amount. That's going to be a felony everywhere.
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    Regardless of your criminal history, I would be concerned with your mental state if you start 'kidding (maybe)' about suicide if you can't get a job as a police officer.

    Even if you are DQ, there are other jobs- not being able to do one job out of all of them in the world should not really make one think 'life is over'.

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