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Hey,

Quick question for anyone who might have any insight. I'm 23 years old and have a Criminal Justice degree. Im from NJ where its pretty tough to get a job as a cop. My dream job was always to be an officer somewhere in the state whether it be state or municipal. Currently i have been looking into opportunities in Delaware.

Now to the point of my post. There is no Polygraph for employment in NJ, however there is in the depts i am applying for in DE. Overall i'm a good guy. My major dilemma was a few years ago i experimented with an anabolic steroid for 1 cycle. From what i understand the departments i have been in contact with in DE don't automatically disqualify for doing that.

My question is if i admit to this on the polygraph and i dont get the job, will this show up in background investigations in the future with departments in NJ? because NJ isnt nearly as open to this. I believe the state police disqualifies you if youve done it at all in the last 10 years.

any insight into this would be great...thanks

So you're asking for information to help you lie on background applications.

So you're asking for information to help you lie on background applications.

Yep, thats what I got. He wants to know if he should lie when applying in Delaware so it won't show up if he applies in New Jersey.

How about this, you don't apply to any place because your unfit to wear a badge. Problem solved!

Yep, thats what I got. He wants to know if he should lie when applying in Delaware so it won't show up if he applies in New Jersey.

How about this, you don't apply to any place because your unfit to wear a badge. Problem solved!

Or i'm asking for advise because i don't want a dumb decision i made to mess up my employment chances for the next 7 or so years. But thanks for being extremely helpful anyway.

Hey,

Now to the point of my post. There is no Polygraph for employment in NJ, however there is in the depts i am applying for in DE. Overall i'm a good guy. My major dilemma was a few years ago i experimented with an anabolic steroid for 1 cycle. From what i understand the departments i have been in contact with in DE don't automatically disqualify for doing that.

My question is if i admit to this on the polygraph and i dont get the job, will this show up in background investigations in the future with departments in NJ? because NJ isnt nearly as open to this. I believe the state police disqualifies you if youve done it at all in the last 10 years.

any insight into this would be great...thanks



Look at your question, your saying there's no polygraph in NJ, but there is in DE. So if you admit to it in DE will NJ be able to find out about it. That only implies that you are considering applying to NJ and lying about it so you wont be DQ'd since they don't use the polygraph. Being truthful is the only option for any department you apply for and let the chips fall as they may. There is no place for any dishonesty in law enforcement, it is an ugly sign of weak moral character.

Hey,

Quick question for anyone who might have any insight. I'm 23 years old and have a Criminal Justice degree. Im from NJ where its pretty tough to get a job as a cop. My dream job was always to be an officer somewhere in the state whether it be state or municipal. Currently i have been looking into opportunities in Delaware.

Now to the point of my post. There is no Polygraph for employment in NJ, however there is in the depts i am applying for in DE. Overall i'm a good guy. My major dilemma was a few years ago i experimented with an anabolic steroid for 1 cycle. From what i understand the departments i have been in contact with in DE don't automatically disqualify for doing that.

My question is if i admit to this on the polygraph and i dont get the job, will this show up in background investigations in the future with departments in NJ? because NJ isnt nearly as open to this. I believe the state police disqualifies you if youve done it at all in the last 10 years.

any insight into this would be great...thanks

You should answer 'yes' on the Delaware application and 'No' on the New Jersey application. Be sure to also list all departments you applied to. You can add a note to the bottom of the page explaining that you don't want to admit to illegal steroid use in New Jersey because it looks worse in New Jersey. If you explain it like this to the BI, they will understand exactly where you are coming from. In fact, make sure to say on the Delaware application that the only reason you answered 'Yes' was because you were afraid of the polygraph but once the polygraph is over, you will change your answer to 'No' if it ever comes up in court so you don't embarrass the department. The last thing any department needs is an officer admitting to steroid use on the stand. Especially when prosecuting someone for fighting with the police. They will be very happy to learn early in the process that you are so willing to protect yourself and the department from an embarrassing truth.

Please post your "Distinctly Qualified" letter when you receive it. Hopefully some of our eastern moderators have taken an interest in you and can fast track your evaluation.

P.S. Practice this scenario - your partner and you arrive at a fight and some guy going through roid rage attacks you and your partner. Your partner suffers a career ending injury. Defense attorney goes into 'roid rage and asks you if you have ever taken steroids and any answer you give contradicts one of the applications. You are the state's star witness after your partner was knocked unconscious. I'm sure your partner will understand why his attacker walked out of the courtroom as you push his wheelchair explaining how you needed that job and needed to look good.

Or i'm asking for advise because i don't want a dumb decision i made to mess up my employment chances for the next 7 or so years. But thanks for being extremely helpful anyway.

Shorter answer: Lying is a dumber decision and will mess up your chances forever. The fact that you don't seem to grasp this means that your problem with decision making goes beyond a one time decision to use steroids. Asking the question shows a certain amoral contempt of the process. You are lacking a certain moral compass that is fundamental in law enforcement. Honor and integrity start with honesty. You are starting short of that. Let's put it this way: the honest person that admits to smoking marijuana five times will get a longer look and maybe a job offer. The single time smoker that lied about it is DQd forever.

Or i'm asking for advise because i don't want a dumb decision i made to mess up my employment chances for the next 7 or so years. But thanks for being extremely helpful anyway.

Is there some reason why we should try and help you get hired when there are 20 better candidates who aren't lying to get the job? Why would I want to have someone working with me or in my community who is dishonest? You may WANT to have not messed up your employment but you may have, and certainly will when you put pen to paper on department paperwork saying something you know isn't true.

My education was not in CJ, so maybe I'm missing out; do they teach about ethics in those classes?

One year ago you are out, KNOWINGLY, and FREELY making a decision to do illegal drugs. And one year later you want to be a cop, and have the authority to go arrest those who do the same.

You want advice......go join the military and serve your country. When you are done with that, you will have hopefully provien you matured, make smart decision and are trustworthy.

hate to bump a old topic but I believe a lot of LEO's use anabolic steroids? What about the officers that use them as a active LEO? If you get educated about the topic you will see that "roid rage" is a myth and has never been scientifically proven. I am not saying that they don't enhance aggression yes they can but they don't turn a good guy into a crazy person who murders everyone they see. If your a ******* before you take them when your on them you will be a bigger *******...simple as that. Thats testosterone for you. Also would you like a 6'2 165lb partner or a 6'2 220lb partner to cover your *** if **** hits the fan...you decide.

hate to bump a old topic but I believe a lot of LEO's use anabolic steroids? What about the officers that use them as a active LEO? If you get educated about the topic you will see that "roid rage" is a myth and has never been scientifically proven. I am not saying that they don't enhance aggression yes they can but they don't turn a good guy into a crazy person who murders everyone they see. If your a ******* before you take them when your on them you will be a bigger *******...simple as that. Thats testosterone for you. Also would you like a 6'2 165lb partner or a 6'2 220lb partner to cover your *** if **** hits the fan...you decide.

Where would you get the idea that "a lot of LEO's" use steroids? That is not true at all in my experience. Do you have a source?

I would rather have the skinnier guy who didn't use illegal drugs backing me up, period.

If you use illegal drugs, it's bad. If you use illegal drugs and then lie about it to get hired, it's worse. But when you use illegal drugs while sworn to uphold the law, it's pretty much as bad as it gets. I don't have any desire to work with someone who is committing felonies on a regular basis.

-Citicop.

Where would you get the idea that "a lot of LEO's" use steroids? That is not true at all in my experience. Do you have a source?

I would rather have the skinnier guy who didn't use illegal drugs backing me up, period.

If you use illegal drugs, it's bad. If you use illegal drugs and then lie about it to get hired, it's worse. But when you use illegal drugs while sworn to uphold the law, it's pretty much as bad as it gets. I don't have any desire to work with someone who is committing felonies on a regular basis.

-Citicop.

I don't have 15 posts yet so I can't post links but do a simple google search of "police and steroids" Here are some of the result titles.

I was always told steroids run ramped among LEO's because thats the truth look at the basic aspects of the job why wouldn't one want a edge when he/she puts their life on the line everyday? Not saying its right but it happens. What about our military, you think a lot of those guys aren't using anabolic steroids? please (not saying everyone,) why wouldn't you. Now big muscles can help you win a fight but at the end of the day you need a strong mind and willpower. Also what about police officers on TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) their taking daily or weekly dosages of testosterone which is a scheduled class III drug classified as a anabolic steroid.

And to say that someones past drug use (which happens to be a drug that isn't addictive,) makes them ineligible to become a LEO? Please theres a good amount of LEO's who used coke in their past, what about during ones teenage years where experimentation with marijuana comes into play? Does that make them unfit for the job? Or how about underage drinking? Lets be real here we all know the things we did when we were adolescents weren't our finest moments.

Illegal Steroid Use Among Police Officers 'a Big Problem'

Anabolic Steroids Blog – iSteroids.com » Police using steroids

Police Juice Up on Steroids to Get 'Edge' on Criminals - ABC News

Daily Kos: Steroid Abuse and Excessive Force by Police

Police & Steroids - Cops Buying Steroids with Your Tax Dollars ...

Anabolic Steroid Use and Abuse by Police Officers - Police Chief ...

sorry for double post but the percentage of police officers in the united states who use steroids is 25%.

I was always told steroids run ramped among LEO's because thats the truth look at the basic aspects of the job why wouldn't one want a edge when he/she puts their life on the line everyday?

BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL, AND IT'S THE JOB OF THE POLICE TO UPHOLD THE LAW.

If you don't understand that concept, than this job is not for you. I'd rather work with an out of shape officer than one who is willing to break the law to "get an edge."

You know what might "give an officer and edge" in court? Lying in a report or planting evidence. But I would be against that too. That crap is illegal for a reason, and as cops we can't be expected to enforce the law if we can't uphold it ourselves.

I also dispute your claim that a lot of cops have tried cocaine. That's a disqualifying matter in almost every department I know of.

I said that I would not want to serve with someone who was CURRENTLY committing felonies on a regular basis, but the fact is I would be uncomfortable working with someone with a history of felonious behavior as well. Past behavior is indicative of future behavior. That's one reason why departments DQ for that.

And it's completely different if someone is taking a legally prescribed substance for a medical condition.

I don't think an officer who has ADD much of an issue getting hired if he's on medicine for it; but if someone wants to take Adderal or Ritalin illegally, then I don't want to work with them.

Departments often draw a line between minor/misdemeanor offenses in the past (like underage drinking and marijuana experimentation) and felonies like use of hard drugs or hallucinogens.

I am starting to believe (based on your posting) that you lack some of the ethical core necessary to be an effective Law Enforcement Officer.

-Citicop.

sorry for double post but the percentage of police officers in the united states who use steroids is 25%.

Source?

EDIT:

I found THIS little tidbit from an article you linked to:



Victor Conte, founder of the now-defunct lab known as Bay Area Lab Co-Operative that supplied numerous athletes with steroids and other banned substances, said it wouldn't surprise him if as many as a quarter of police officers were using some kind of performance-enhancing drug.

One guy who says "it wouldn't surprise him" that 25% of cops were using steroids is not a source and has no more bearing than any number you choose to pull out of your ***.

I, on the other hand, would be stunned if the number was more than 5%.

If you want to find REAL sources to back your figures up (like verified studies and not some criminal who gave an interview with his opinion) then feel free to let us know.

-Citicop.

Source?

EDIT:

I found THIS little tidbit from an article you linked to:



One guy who says "it wouldn't surprise him" that 25% of cops were using steroids is not a source and has no more bearing than any number you choose to pull out of your ***.

I, on the other hand, would be stunned if the number was more than 5%.

If you want to find REAL sources to back your figures up (like verified studies and not some criminal who gave an interview with his opinion) then feel free to let us know.

-Citicop.

I think it would be much smaller even than 5% for illegal steroid use. It's automatic DQ here. We had high-profile case a few years ago that pretty much sent out the message - use them and get fired. Who is going to risk it?

Also, parse the quote carefully - "performance-enhancing drug" is a much, much broader category. Cold medicines with psuedoephedrine or caffeine or "5 hour energy" could fall into this category. Taking a cold pill may enhance your performance when you have a cold . It's standard hit-piece journalism technique.

In the state of NJ 248 police officers were illegally prescribed steroids and caught. How is this not a growing problem. Maybe its about location for example I'm on the east coast many of you are in the mid-west. Things are different here than there. Out here steroid use is growing rapidly among the younger generation, literally everywhere. I've talked to a few friends from Michigan (not necessarily the mid-west, but close to it) about a off topic matter of synthetic heroin usage as a growing problem on the east coast. He had no clue about it and never heard of the drug or anyone using it. For some police officer hundreds, if not 1,000 miles away to come and say "your not fit to become a LEO" take a step back buddy and look at yourself before you get on this power hungry trip. Hate to break it to you, at least around myself their are a good amount of scumbag cops. Now oh your going to jump to conclusions don't change my statement "GOOD AMOUNT" are the key words not every. Personally I could tell you stories about LEO's planting illegal narcotics on people, officers drinking on the job, officers that use excessive force on the regular, just to name a few topics. Just because you have a badge not necessarily means your a good person or a model citizen. We are from two different parts of this country our problems will be different.

Out here steroid use is growing rapidly among the younger generation, literally everywhere.That doesn't make it ok or right for LE to use. I've talked to a few friends from Michigan (not necessarily the mid-west, but close to it) about a off topic matter of synthetic heroin usage as a growing problem on the east coast. He had no clue about it and never heard of the drug or anyone using it.A few friends or a friend. "He" would indicate one friend. One person out of an entire state is not very representative. For some police officer hundreds, if not 1,000 miles away to come and say "your not fit to become a LEO" take a step back buddy and look at yourself before you get on this power hungry trip.Not on a power hungry trip and a little bit closer. I am also saying you should not be a LEO. Hate to break it to you, at least around myself their are a good amount of scumbag cops.Hate to break it to you, I would not be too proud of this if it's true. Now oh your going to jump to conclusions don't change my statement "GOOD AMOUNT" are the key words not every. Personally I could tell you stories about LEO's planting illegal narcotics on people, officers drinking on the job, officers that use excessive force on the regular, just to name a few topics.So can Hollywood, doesn't make it fact. Are there bad officers? Yes, just like there are bad doctors, accountants, bus drivers, etc. Just because you have a badge not necessarily means your a good person or a model citizen. Absolutely true. It's not the badge, but the character and integrity of the person behind it. From what I've read here, you don't belong behind the badge.We are from two different parts of this country our problems will be different. I have a feeling there are plenty of east coast LEOs here that will tell you the same thing. You don't have what it takes to be a LEO.

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Rather than attempting to justify your illegal drug use as acceptable because some current officers have used them , why not recognize that illegal drug use is illegal and should be of great concern to a PD that is hiring ??

MOST ( and I mean 99+% ) of officer don't use drugs or condone those that do. We need GOOD
people in Law Enforcement. They are out there but with the moral and ethical decay in our society and with those that would like their drug use to be of little concern or consequence because they feel " they would make a great officer regardless".... they are harder to find.

Having used drugs , especially hard drugs cannot be simply brushed aside for those who want to enter a sworn position to then prosecute those that do. If we as a profession simply allow it , the credibility that we have will be greatly eroded in the eyes of both the people and the courts.

A lot of what we do in court is based on credibility. I testify that I saw this occur or I found this
person in possession of this substance. If I have a drug use background , any first year lawyer would be all over me with the following question ...." officer , I have your job application with the PD. It says that you used illegal steriods 2 years ago". As a user of illegal drugs , do you want us to now believe that you can be trusted when enforcing the laws of this state ?"

" Officer , shouldn't you be prosecuted like my client is right now ?"

Of course we wil never find anyone who is perfect , but with some issues ( like theft , drugs , domestic abuse) there has to be strict tolerance cutoff in effect or we are truly no better than some guy who
just applied for the job and got it.

A Law Enforcement job should be hard to get. The standards need to be high. We need to have physical agility tests , psychological tests , background checks , oral interviews , academy training , FTO all BEFORE they are given free rein to be in a position to enforce the laws and deprive people of their
freedom ( lawfully) while doing so.

We are entrusted with guns , money , drugs, saving peoples lives and taking peoples lives. We MUST have the highest standards.

Don't you agree ?

cg89-

Cops are cops, midwest, east coast, south, cali, doesn't matter.

I've done this job for quite a while. I've sat on hiring boards, and I am currently a supervisor. I am quite satisfied with my experience allowing me to say what would or would not make a good cop (I've seen plenty of both kinds, but way more good than bad in my career).

You know what's an exploding problem among young people in my area? Heroin. It's everywhere and it's an epidemic.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S OKAY AND WE SHOULD HIRE COPS WHO DO IT.

I'm not on a power trip; I am just looking at your actions and attitude and making an educated guess about how you would be able to do this job. It doesn't look good for you. None of the real cops on this forum are agreeing with you, and they are all agreeing with me.

If you can find a department that will overlook steroid use and you want to apply, more power to you.

But if the department you apply for forbids it, do you intend to lie on the application?

-Citicop.

hate to bump a old topic but I believe a lot of LEO's use anabolic steroids? What about the officers that use them as a active LEO? If you get educated about the topic you will see that "roid rage" is a myth and has never been scientifically proven. I am not saying that they don't enhance aggression yes they can but they don't turn a good guy into a crazy person who murders everyone they see. If your a ******* before you take them when your on them you will be a bigger *******...simple as that. Thats testosterone for you. Also would you like a 6'2 165lb partner or a 6'2 220lb partner to cover your *** if **** hits the fan...you decide.


I don't have 15 posts yet so I can't post links but do a simple google search of "police and steroids" Here are some of the result titles.

I was always told steroids run ramped among LEO's because thats the truth look at the basic aspects of the job why wouldn't one want a edge when he/she puts their life on the line everyday? Not saying its right but it happens. What about our military, you think a lot of those guys aren't using anabolic steroids? please (not saying everyone,) why wouldn't you. Now big muscles can help you win a fight but at the end of the day you need a strong mind and willpower. Also what about police officers on TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) their taking daily or weekly dosages of testosterone which is a scheduled class III drug classified as a anabolic steroid.

And to say that someones past drug use (which happens to be a drug that isn't addictive,) makes them ineligible to become a LEO? Please theres a good amount of LEO's who used coke in their past, what about during ones teenage years where experimentation with marijuana comes into play? Does that make them unfit for the job? Or how about underage drinking? Lets be real here we all know the things we did when we were adolescents weren't our finest moments.

Illegal Steroid Use Among Police Officers 'a Big Problem'

Anabolic Steroids Blog – iSteroids.com » Police using steroids

Police Juice Up on Steroids to Get 'Edge' on Criminals - ABC News

Daily Kos: Steroid Abuse and Excessive Force by Police

Police & Steroids - Cops Buying Steroids with Your Tax Dollars ...

Anabolic Steroid Use and Abuse by Police Officers - Police Chief ...


sorry for double post but the percentage of police officers in the united states who use steroids is 25%.


In the state of NJ 248 police officers were illegally prescribed steroids and caught. How is this not a growing problem. Maybe its about location for example I'm on the east coast many of you are in the mid-west. Things are different here than there. Out here steroid use is growing rapidly among the younger generation, literally everywhere. I've talked to a few friends from Michigan (not necessarily the mid-west, but close to it) about a off topic matter of synthetic heroin usage as a growing problem on the east coast. He had no clue about it and never heard of the drug or anyone using it. For some police officer hundreds, if not 1,000 miles away to come and say "your not fit to become a LEO" take a step back buddy and look at yourself before you get on this power hungry trip. Hate to break it to you, at least around myself their are a good amount of scumbag cops. Now oh your going to jump to conclusions don't change my statement "GOOD AMOUNT" are the key words not every. Personally I could tell you stories about LEO's planting illegal narcotics on people, officers drinking on the job, officers that use excessive force on the regular, just to name a few topics. Just because you have a badge not necessarily means your a good person or a model citizen. We are from two different parts of this country our problems will be different.



In one of your other posts in another thread you said you were just hired and are going to be starting the academy. That's scary. Perhaps your employer would like to read some of your negative posts/attitudes about law enforcement on here. We may even be able to have someone here arrange that.

And just to make sure they don't disappear I have quoted them here.

Rather than attempting to justify your illegal drug use as acceptable because some current officers have used them , why not recognize that illegal drug use is illegal and should be of great concern to a PD that is hiring ??

MOST ( and I mean 99+% ) of officer don't use drugs or condone those that do. We need GOOD
people in Law Enforcement. They are out there but with the moral and ethical decay in our society and with those that would like their drug use to be of little concern or consequence because they feel " they would make a great officer regardless".... they are harder to find.

A Law Enforcement job should be hard to get. The standards need to be high. We need to have physical agility tests , psychological tests , background checks , oral interviews , academy training , FTO all BEFORE they are given free rein to be in a position to enforce the laws and deprive people of their
freedom ( lawfully) while doing so.

We are entrusted with guns , money , drugs, saving peoples lives and taking peoples lives. We MUST have the highest standards.

Don't you agree ?

I agree with you 100 percent on this, but over on the east coast the starting salary for PO's is so low that the caliber of candidates that are applying is not the highest because most people do not want to work as hard for less pay. IMHO LEO's are not getting paid enough (on the east coast not too sure of what the rest of the LEO's elsewhere in the country get paid) so the pay factor deters the perfect candidates, who want to have a well earning career. The Standards for all Law Enforcement should be the same throughout the country, but with this economy and the cutbacks that are crippling the civil servants it is getting harder and harder to find the perfect candidate.

I agree with you 100 percent on this, but over on the east coast the starting salary for PO's is so low that the caliber of candidates that are applying is not the highest because most people do not want to work as hard for less pay. IMHO LEO's are not getting paid enough (on the east coast not too sure of what the rest of the LEO's elsewhere in the country get paid) so the pay factor deters the perfect candidates, who want to have a well earning career. The Standards for all Law Enforcement should be the same throughout the country, but with this economy and the cutbacks that are crippling the civil servants it is getting harder and harder to find the perfect candidate.

We don't want "perfect" candidates. But the people we hire do need to meet some minimum standard(s). And with the economy in the toilet, applications for public sector jobs are through the roof. Now more than ever, departments can afford to be picky because there are so many more applicants than there are positions available.

-Citicop.

Starting pay at my now former east coast PD is 47 K with NO experience. I walked out of the door making six figures.

cg89-

Cops are cops, midwest, east coast, south, cali, doesn't matter.

I've done this job for quite a while. I've sat on hiring boards, and I am currently a supervisor. I am quite satisfied with my experience allowing me to say what would or would not make a good cop (I've seen plenty of both kinds, but way more good than bad in my career).

You know what's an exploding problem among young people in my area? Heroin. It's everywhere and it's an epidemic.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S OKAY AND WE SHOULD HIRE COPS WHO DO IT.

I'm not on a power trip; I am just looking at your actions and attitude and making an educated guess about how you would be able to do this job. It doesn't look good for you. None of the real cops on this forum are agreeing with you, and they are all agreeing with me.

If you can find a department that will overlook steroid use and you want to apply, more power to you.

But if the department you apply for forbids it, do you intend to lie on the application?

-Citicop.

Cut the bull**** your twisting around my words. Where have I ever stated I have used heroin, or steroids? Im just stating my opinion and taking a stand on a subject that's all. You all jumped the gun...nice to see some professionalism around here. And by my opinion on a subject you have all concluded that I am unfit to become a LEO? That's a very bold move on all your parts. Evaluate yourself before you evaluate others, your on a website this isn't a routine traffic stop.

In one of your other posts in another thread you said you were just hired and are going to be starting the academy. That's scary. Perhaps your employer would like to read some of your negative posts/attitudes about law enforcement on here. We may even be able to have someone here arrange that.

And just to make sure they don't disappear I have quoted them here.
What does that have to do with anything OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, did you sleep your way through whatever east bumble **** academy you went to, or do you not know peoples basic rights? Thats scary.

I'm not twisting anything.

I didn't say you used heroin or steroids. I didn't say you SAID you used heroin or steroids.

You said that steroid use should be okay for police officers because it "gave them an edge" and a lot of young people are doing it.

I pointed out that a lot of young people are doing heroin too, but that doesn't make it okay for cops to do.

You can't point to one unprofessional thing I have said here. You don't like my answers, you don't like my opinion that people who regularly commit felony crimes should not be cops, you don't like the fact that I ask you for sources when you say that 25% of police use steroids.

But I have been polite, I have been professional the entire time.

And I evaluate myself all the time. And I evaluate the cops who work for me. And I even help evaluate the people who WANT to be cops in my department when they apply.

So again, I have no problem stating this; I stand by it.

Applicants who have extensive histories of felony drug use should be disqualified from hire. Cops who get hired and THEN commit felony drug crimes should be fired and prosecuted.

And your opinions of why it's okay are opposed to mine, the other officers here, and every department policy of which I am aware.

Yes, if your opinion is that it's okay for cops to break the law in order to "get an edge," then I am comfortable stating that based on that opinion you have no place working in Law Enforcement. If you would care to justify how that opinion should not disqualify you, I would be happy to hear it.

-Citicop.

My stand is for currently employed LEO's to use them who are not on TRT, is wrong. If your a civilian and you feel like you want to use them its your choice, accept the potential consequences, but for one to ridicule one for their past drug use which not to mention has no euphoric or addictive property to them is wrong. It's not like its some junkie looking for the right vein. It's totally different. Not saying its the right thing to do...no ones perfect. I always have been interested in how steroids work, and I've done the research, not so I could take them just because honestly it is crazy if you think about it, they work miracles but it can come at a price as well. What about the guy who used steroids 3 years prior to applying for positions, so he could feel that he is in the best shape to complete the job physically, is that such a bad thing? Can you blame him? Maybe you or some others chose not too take that route thats fine, more power too you. Can you blame him for wanting to be overly prepared physically for a job where he puts his life on the line everyday? Even though their are many aspects to the job not just the physical condition ones in but the mental strength also.

This:


My stand is for currently employed LEO's to use them who are not on TRT, is wrong.

Is a much better position to have, but conflicts with other things you have written, specifically this:



Also would you like a 6'2 165lb partner or a 6'2 220lb partner to cover your *** if **** hits the fan...you decide.

And these:


look at the basic aspects of the job why wouldn't one want a edge when he/she puts their life on the line everyday?




And to say that someones past drug use (which happens to be a drug that isn't addictive,) makes them ineligible to become a LEO? Please theres a good amount of LEO's who used coke in their past...


What about the guy who used steroids 3 years prior to applying for positions, so he could feel that he is in the best shape to complete the job physically, is that such a bad thing? Can you blame him? Maybe you or some others chose not too take that route thats fine, more power too you. Can you blame him for wanting to be overly prepared physically for a job where he puts his life on the line everyday? Even though their are many aspects to the job not just the physical condition ones in but the mental strength also.

Yes it is such a bad thing. Yes I can blame him. His behavior constitutes numerous felonies.

A point I made earlier which you conveniently failed to address is this: If it is okay to break the law to "get an edge" by using steroids, then why would it not be okay to break the law to get an edge by planting evidence, lying in a report, or committing perjury?

The job of the police is to enforce the law. You CANNOT do that if you don't follow the law yourself.

-Citicop.

Steroids are very beneficial to LEO's but they are illegal (even though the DEA and FDA did not want them to be made scheduled class III controlled substances.) But the law is the law. As far as the overlooking goes it all depends...if a guy ran a cycle weeks prior to the academy and he is asked about it and lies automatic DQ. What if they don't ask you about it? If they do and its been 1-2 years since you've last touched them I would agree for it to be overlooked.

If it is illegal , than it is not beneficial. Mcsap-Moderator.

What does that have to do with anything OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, did you sleep your way through whatever east bumble **** academy you went to, or do you not know peoples basic rights? Thats scary.

I didn't say you don't have the right to an opinion. Think what you want. You're in for a rude awakening kid.

It Is against the TOS of this site to publicly post a PM.

-Citicop.

I never stated its okay to lie on a application. And by my view on a certain topic because I happen to be educated in it makes me a lying, potential felon partner, did i get that right? As far as getting verified on here I could careless. Also I don't condone illegal drug use, if someone wants to do it let them do so, because its their body/their choice and with every action their is a consequence.
If this guy has a job I'm sure i'll pass..not expecting a cake walk expecting the worst time of my life...expect the worst hope for the best.

My stand is for currently employed LEO's to use them who are not on TRT, is wrong. If your a civilian and you feel like you want to use them its your choice, accept the potential consequences, but for one to ridicule one for their past drug use which not to mention has no euphoric or addictive property to them is wrong.Just because a drug doesn't get you high doesn't make it any better than those that do. It's not like its some junkie looking for the right vein.Its eerily similar It's totally different. Not saying its the right thing to do...no ones perfect.This isn't about perfection , its about knowingly and willfully using illegal drugs which is a felony. I always have been interested in how steroids work, and I've done the research, not so I could take them just because honestly it is crazy if you think about it, they work miracles but it can come at a price as well. What about the guy who used steroids 3 years prior to applying for positions, so he could feel that he is in the best shape to complete the job physically, is that such a bad thing? yes because it is illegal and physically dangerous.Can you blame him?Yes Maybe you or some others chose not too take that route thats fine, more power too you. Can you blame him for wanting to be overly prepared physically for a job where he puts his life on the line everyday?To do so with illegal drugs ? YES! Even though their are many aspects to the job not just the physical condition ones in but the mental strength also.

I am 5ft 6in 165 lbs , never touched steroids in my life. I have backed up many an officer on many different circumstances. Being 6ft 4 265 isn't everything. MOST every " touchy " situation I handled in 25+ years in Law Enforcement was by using my HEAD and my VERBAL skills.

If I had to choose between size and the head/verbal skills of another officer my size....I'll take another of me ANYDAY.

It is fair and appropriate to say that you have NO experience and NO knowledge of what it actually is like to do the job of a police officer. It isn't a slam unless you intend to keep trying to justify the position that you stand on.

Then it will be.

I'll stack my 25 years as a Police Officer plus 4 years in the military police against ANYTHING that you can possibly bring to the table.

I don't condone illegal drug use, if someone wants to do it let them do so, because its their body/their choice and with every action their is a consequence.

Actually, you DO condone illegal drug use.


con·done:
/kənˈdōn/

Verb:


1.) Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

2.) Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance.

I am 5ft 6in 165 lbs , never touched steroids in my life. I have backed up many an officer on many different circumstances. Being 6ft 4 265 isn't everything. MOST every " touchy " situation I handled in 25+ years in Law Enforcement was by using my HEAD and my VERBAL skills.

If I had to choose between size and the head/verbal skills of another officer my size....I'll take another of me ANYDAY.

It is fair and appropriate to say that you have NO experience and NO knowledge of what it actually is like to do the job of a police officer. It isn't a slam unless you intend to keep trying to justify the position that you stand on.

Then it will be.

I'll stack my 25 years as a Police Officer plus 4 years in the military police against ANYTHING that you can possibly bring to the table.

I agree with some of what you are saying you need to know how to talk to people you will have a easier time with people by talking to them than using physical force. What if you have size/strength and verbal skills? Im not going to argue with you about my past experiences you are right I have 0 experience in the area of LE and I chose not to take the military route. That's fine expierence is something you can't buy, its learned over time. I'll open up a little about myself, and my skills. I have a bachelors in Computer Forensics & Digital Investigations. How does that stack up?


Actually, you DO condone illegal drug use.


con·done:
/kənˈdōn/

Verb:


1.) Accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

2.) Approve or sanction (something), esp. with reluctance.

As a potential LEO I would have to not allow the use of illegal drugs. Do you agree with every law in the United States, and even if you do not agree with the law will you arrest someone for breaking it? Yes, because thats your job, personal opinions about certain laws should not be held against a candidate, as long as they are fit to do the job.

If this guy has a job I'm sure i'll pass..not expecting a cake walk expecting the worst time of my life...expect the worst hope for the best.

If "this guy" is referring to me, I didn't mean the rude awakening would be the academy. In fact passing it proves next to nothing. Do you think you just graduate the academy and automatically become accepted and respected by your LE peers? With your attitude, defensiveness, and general lack of consideration for the advice and opinions given by the members here I can tell it will be tough sledding for you. Maybe you're just in a roid rage though.

If "this guy" is referring to me, I didn't mean the rude awakening would be the academy. In fact passing it proves next to nothing. Do you think you just graduate the academy and automatically become accepted and respected by your LE peers? With your attitude, defensiveness, and general lack of consideration for the advice and opinions given by the members here I can tell it will be tough sledding for you. Maybe you're just in a roid rage though.

As far as being respected by my LE peers? No you need to prove yourself, thats what you say we won't know till we find out. Never took steroids, but on another note. What if one was to use a product that was 100% legal when he used it but now it is illegal/banned. I wouldn't think that would count as illegal drug use.

As far as being respected by my LE peers?

You do not have any LE peers at the moment.

This important piece of information seems to escape you.

You do not have any LE peers at the moment.

This important piece of information seems to escape you.

Sorry the one time i forgot to put "potential" if you have looked at this thread at all you would see that I have never stated I was yet.

What does that have to do with anything OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, did you sleep your way through whatever east bumble **** academy you went to, or do you not know peoples basic rights? Thats scary.

I sure hope you got a strongly worded warning from the moderator staff for disrespecting a verified police officer. When one takes into consideration you are smack talking to someone who has been doing a job you are just trying to get, it makes it all the more insubordinate.

Ok, I've had enough of this sh1t for brains bozo - he's going on ignore NOW... ::CLICK:: :rolleyes5:

your right i might just go to the FBI instead my skill set might not be used for a local police dept and why would i want to be restricted on what jurisdiction i would have

As far as being respected by my LE peers? No you need to prove yourself, thats what you say we won't know till we find out. Never took steroids, but on another note. What if one was to use a product that was 100% legal when he used it but now it is illegal/banned. I wouldn't think that would count as illegal drug use.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

As for the drugs, if it was legal at the time than it wasn't used illegally.


your right i might just go to the FBI instead my skill set might not be used for a local police dept and why would i want to be restricted on what jurisdiction i would have

Yes that's probably a better bet.

your right i might just go to the FBI instead my skill set might not be used for a local police dept and why would i want to be restricted on what jurisdiction i would have

Or maybe the DEA?

I never stated its okay to lie on a application. And by my view on a certain topic because I happen to be educated in it makes me a lying, potential felon partner, did i get that right?

LOL educated on steroid use? May I ask to see your credentials? Or by "educated," did you mean via "personal experience"?


As far as getting verified on here I could careless. Also I don't condone illegal drug use, if someone wants to do it let them do so, because its their body/their choice and with every action their is a consequence.
If this guy has a job I'm sure i'll pass..not expecting a cake walk expecting the worst time of my life...expect the worst hope for the best.

Yeah, um...you do realize that your statement about not condoning illegal drug is an inherent contradiction, right?


But you go ahead and school your future employer about things like steroid use and your superior "skill set."

Oh to be a fly on the wall of that conversation...:lurk5:

I think his skill set may be beyond what this forum can handle.

Wow, reading through this discussion has honestly made me a little sick to my stomach. I have personally seen people in a roid rage, My sweet, at the time 18 yr old step-son. Nicest kid in the world started taking steroids and within a few months was locked up on a DV. If you believe steroids won't impact your mind you are sadly mistaken. I once had to save a friend, My step-sons mother from her then husband. Same man that gave the steroids to my step-son. I had to get in between a 250 lb roid raged maniac and talk him down while my friend called the police. Very scary moment to say the least, he could have very easily killed us both. Imho, there is no place for such a drug and a badge and gun. You may believe it will give you an edge, I believe it will put you on a fast track to prison. I also do not believe that having a steroid edge will help you to be a more effective police officer, the best cops I have ever seen use their intellect and not their muscle. Also I feel the need to inform you that later in life steroid use will turn on you. I will just leave it at that :):)

You may believe it will give you an edge, I believe it will put you on a fast track to prison. I also do not believe that having a steroid edge will help you to be a more effective police officer, the best cops I have ever seen use their intellect and not their muscle. Also I feel the need to inform you that later in life steroid use will turn on you. I will just leave it at that :):)

I'd recommend taking steroids if you are going to prison. Those guys are big. And mean. The shrinkage factor will probably make you more popular with the "ladies" in prison too.