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A few of us expecting to get promoted did not, without any reason from our A/CO or coordinator. The 'rumor' is that we did not do enough deployments, but nobody can verify this as fact.

:biggrinjester: Does anyone know who/where I can go to finally get a reason?

I used to come in 2x a week and have several hundred hours for last fiscal year, and banked over 200 this year alone. This is very discouraging and I'm hoping someone may be able to point me in the right direction. When speaking with people that are not in auxiliary, they cannot understand why I volunteer my time and just tell me to quit which I think is lame way out.

:biggrinjester: Does anyone know who/where I may petition this?

1 of 4 people got promoted at my precinct and all 4 had good hours and deserve the promotion. The 1 person that did get promoted does go to all of the deployments as they fall on the day he normally comes in on patrol. Ironically, he has not even been here for 2 years and was just promoted to A/Sgt. For the other 3 of us, there are no deployments on our regular patrol day, but all other criteria (duration/hours/supervisor_to_APO ratio) is met. I'm sure there is a similar scenario at other precincts around the city as well. I can't imagine that we are not being promoted out of spite.

Please, no flaming... I'm trying to find a rationalization to a real concern.

Its the NYPD ...... there is no logic for the paid guys so surely there will not be any for the volunteers. As you are learning, the NYPD is more about who you know. You have a chain of command, follow it. Ask the Coordinator why what was done.

Thank you for the reply. I still want to know who I may escalate this to, as even if the promotion does not go through, I think I deserve a reason so as to know what I can improve for next time.

I would have hoped that my almost 12 years of service may have had some positive influence on my promotion to A/Lt.

As for the two to be promoted to A/Sgt, only one was promoted, of which that person didn't even meet the minimum APO status of 3 years, while the one who didn't get promoted did. I have advised the (still APO) that he has a valid OEEO situation.

I have tried to follow the chain of command, but my A/CO avoids the subject and my coordinator, well, while making some attempt, has gotten no where in the 6 weeks since promotion. The only two people in APS that are involved in promotion are Lt C. and DI B. Can you advise how I could proceed in the proper fashion if neither my A/CO or coordinator want to do anything?

I honestly would not make a big deal about this as I have missed promotion before, but I WAS on the list for Oct 6th, in which that promotion date was canceled for all. I was then magically no longer on the list on October 27th.

I have spent the last 4 years as a supervisor trying to encourage members of the unit to stay longer durations and to come in more frequently. I had the mindset that this was my 2nd job. Perhaps I was at fault there. Now, when I see my unit and the powers-that-be there doing nothing to have my back, it has me second guessing myself as to why I am actually allocating time to this program if the program has nothing to give back to me. Most trainings in my borough have ceased or been reduced to a minimum as I was advised that APS is upset at my borough and being punished.

I am hoping for any encouraging words as to why my faith in this program should remain. I know that there are over 3k of faithful auxiliaries, and I'm trying to see what they still see in the program after all of this favoritism and discrimination based on who you know.

As for the two to be promoted to A/Sgt, only one was promoted, of which that person didn't even meet the minimum APO status of 3 years, while the one who didn't get promoted did. I have advised the (still APO) that he has a valid OEEO situation.
How is thii an OEEO issue?


I have tried to follow the chain of command, but my A/CO avoids the subject and my coordinator, well, while making some attempt, has gotten no where in the 6 weeks since promotion. The only two people in APS that are involved in promotion are Lt C. and DI B. Can you advise how I could proceed in the proper fashion if neither my A/CO or coordinator want to do anything?
Time to hit up the Lt and if that dojn't work DI.

How is thii an OEEO issue?

Good question. Both have great hours, come in at least once a week, completed BMC as well as the interview.

The one that did not get promoted has been an APO for at least 3 years.
The one that did get promoted has been an APO for less than 3 years.

Regardless if there are new rules regarding 'number of deployments', as per procedure 505-11 in the Auxiliary Police Guide, "A member eligible for a promotion... must have completed three (3) years of service...."

I know there are exceptions to all rules, but the one who didn't get promoted had met all requirements as per the guide. (My case is different as there was no competition for A/Lt at my precinct).

While I may not be an expert at kissing butt and knowing the right people, my professional job requires me to know all city/state/federal EEOC rules (which NYC's OEEO falls into). I doubt that APO who didn't get promoted would actually file such a claim, but I had informed him that he has the right to file one as he feels he is being discriminated against.

If you want to get technical, since none of the OEEO requirements (age/sex/ethnicity/etc....) are coming into play, it is true that this would only be considered discrimination and not OEEO... but that department could point him in the correct direction to get promoted.

You need to be VERY careful when you use the terms OEEO and discrimination in government. THey are the most abused words there and cause lots of problems. As a fed in a OIG, I am very familiar with complaints of tehse nature. People like to use them for leverage to get what they want.....when they don't apply! Just like you admit here.

If you make a OEEO complaint and it is not based on one of the criteria, the City has the right to come after you for slander. AKA- kick you out of the program.

There is noi discrimination as by what you explained.

Don't confuse piss poor management and somebody make a political decisions with OEEO and discrimination. It takes away from those with legitimate complaints.

The one that did not get promoted has been an APO for at least 3 years.
The one that did get promoted has been an APO for less than 3 years.

Regardless if there are new rules regarding 'number of deployments', as per procedure 505-11 in the Auxiliary Police Guide, "A member eligible for a promotion... must have completed three (3) years of service...."

I know there are exceptions to all rules, but the one who didn't get promoted had met all requirements as per the guide. (My case is different as there was no competition for A/Lt at my precinct).

While I may not be an expert at kissing butt and knowing the right people, my professional job requires me to know all city/state/federal EEOC rules (which NYC's OEEO falls into). I doubt that APO who didn't get promoted would actually file such a claim, but I had informed him that he has the right to file one as he feels he is being discriminated against.

If you want to get technical, since none of the OEEO requirements (age/sex/ethnicity/etc....) are coming into play, it is true that this would only be considered discrimination and not OEEO... but that department could point him in the correct direction to get promoted.

I'm not a law expert but it stands to reason that all promotions are discriminatory in nature, We're not communists. It's not illegal to discriminate unless it's discrimination based on the specific reasons spelled out like age/gender/race/etc. Legal discrimination is what keeps people like me from being a professional athlete or highly-paid fashion model. Am I missing something?

BTW, in private world, when two candidates are vying for a position that needs to be filled and they need to violate a guideline to fill it, it's usually because there is an issue with the qualified candidate that you may not even know about. If your CoC is avoiding it, you may not want to go there because 'nunya business' can get real ugly, real fast if it's an HR issue. For example, if there is an ongoing investigation, HR may veto promotions or delay them without comment. That may not be acceptable for business reasons so the next on the list gets it. As an example, I know someone that had a medical issue and didn't want to be promoted. He told HR and his boss not to promote him. He didn't want anyone else to know about is medical issue (HIPAA I think covered it) though so guess what? Everyone thought he got jammed politically. He didn't want to disclose his condition so people went around angry for nothing. What you don't know...