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Usama Bin Laden is Dead, Say Sources - FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/)

Stand by for briefing from the President of the United States.

This is postive news!!

Definitely.

But Pakistan has some explaining to do...:mad2:

Can Nidal Malik Hassan be next?

The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/live)

President Live Feed from Whitehouse.gov for those who do not have a TV.

watching the briefing now....WOW...ten years it took for us to get justice forget the Prince wedding celebration I wanna celebrate this!!! :) I hope that hell is a lot hotter this time of year for sure... IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!

Yeah, but they preempted The Simpsons to tell us.....

USA! USA! USA!




sorry.... had to...... :biggrin5:

Yeah, but they preempted The Simpsons to tell us.....

Lol but it was beyond worth it....:)


USA! USA! USA!



sorry.... had to...... :biggrin5:

I think they should brand this on his body.....then let the buzzards eat him, sorry but I HATE him....

No, they should smear pig's blood on him so he doesn't get his 72 virgins.

I wonder when this actually happened.... I saw a quick tape that said Bin Laden's DNA was identified last week. It only went across the scene once on Fox News.

I wonder when this actually happened.... I saw a quick tape that said Bin Laden's DNA was identified last week. It only went across the scene once on Fox News.

I read that he was killed last week but they had been waiting for DNA confirmation... who knows, everyone's got a different story right now.

I read that he was killed last week but they had been waiting for DNA confirmation... who knows, everyone's got a different story right now.

And they confirmed it at 11 pm Sunday night????

I hope they shipped the body back to the U.S. wrapped in bacon.

The President's address was much too lackluster for my taste. Can he not at least ACT like he was excited that we got the m'f'r????

Finally!!!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it al qaeda!

I hope they shipped the body back to the U.S. wrapped in bacon.

The President's address was much too lackluster for my taste. Can he not at least ACT like he was excited that we got the m'f'r????

yeah I agree he was very monotone but then again I guess he could'nt really do a back flip could he? :) lol I wonder how many people will be throwing Bin Ladens dead parties...:D

And they confirmed it at 11 pm Sunday night????

Yup. Cuz it's not a 60 minute TV show. It takes a bit of time. :thumbsup::smilielol5::cheers:

And they confirmed it at 11 pm Sunday night????

according to the news he was killed last week...crazy they would announce it on a Sunday night at 11pm..all those people that lost loved ones...wow can you imagine how they must feel right now...

I read that he was killed last week but they had been waiting for DNA confirmation... who knows, everyone's got a different story right now.

I heard on the news report that he died in a firefight Obama supposedly ordered. The story on Foxnews.com says that he was killed by a US bombing attack last week.

The story on Foxnews.com says that he was killed by a US bombing attack last week.

It's changed now.

Whenever there's a big event like this, it seems the media just wants to be the first on the story and posts more rumors than facts.

I heard on the news report that he died in a firefight Obama supposedly ordered. The story on Foxnews.com says that he was killed by a US bombing attack last week.

yes they bombed a compound where he was at specifically targeting it for him... it makes me proud to know all this time they never stopped searching for him.....he ran a good fight but we FINALLY caught up to him..now to sit and wait and see if there is any retailation from it.....

It's changed now.

Whenever there's a big event like this, it seems the media just wants to be the first on the story and posts more rumors than facts.


watch them come back and say that its not his body....I hope not...

I may be the only person here not thrilled. The only thing I can really think about is the retaliation. I'm due to ship to Fort Jackson this summer and I'm beginning to think my enlistment will not be remaining reserve status. Short term: AWESOME. Long term: most likely more uprisings, which means more troops being sent over seas.

He was killed in Pakistan while at a mansion. Ground troops took him down a week ago and they waited for the DNA results to come back before they let the public know.

yeah I agree he was very monotone but then again I guess he could'nt really do a back flip could he? :) lol I wonder how many people will be throwing Bin Ladens dead parties...:D
Uhhh...President Dubya would've had a sh!t-eating grin on his face as he HAPPILY delivered the news to the world.


I may be the only person here not thrilled. The only thing I can really think about is the retaliation. I'm due to ship to Fort Jackson this summer and I'm beginning to think my enlistment will not be remaining reserve status. Short term: AWESOME. Long term: most likely more uprisings, which means more troops being sent over seas.
Son, if you thought you wouldn't be activated from Reserve status during a war on terror, you were horribly mistaken. You need to start studying your history NOW. The "uprisings" may occur on a very limited scale, but terrorist attacks have never needed a catalyst and they've been going on for at least 3 decades.

I hope they shipped the body back to the U.S. wrapped in bacon.

The President's address was much too lackluster for my taste. Can he not at least ACT like he was excited that we got the m'f'r????

They said they were treating the body according to Islamic tradition.

Randy Shughart, Gary Gordon, Wesley Batalona, Scott Helvenston, Jerry Zovko, and Michael Teague, experts in Islamic burial traditions have said he should be dragged naked through the streets and hung from a steel beam at ground zero.

I wonder if the date they announced this on was a political game.

Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 1945.
Osama's death was announced on May 1st 2011.

Maybe I'm being to cynical. :nonod:

Where's my tinfoil hat?

Outfu**ingstanding

Apparently CIA knew about compound and was confirming it since November. They got it from detainees and boots on the ground (I wonder if the CIA contractor that was robbed in Lahore was related).

The cool part is that they hopefully got some good intel from the compound. There was no internet or phone. I hope that means there was paper and observable people coming and going.

It will be interesting to see what happens throughout the ME and Pakistan tomorrow.

Douse the body with airplane fuel and light a match.

They said they were treating the body according to Islamic tradition.

Randy Shughart, Gary Gordon, Wesley Batalona, Scott Helvenston, Jerry Zovko, and Michael Teague, experts in Islamic burial traditions have said he should be dragged naked through the streets and hung from a steel beam at ground zero.

Islamic tradition?? I'm sorry but that is just BS to me , what about all of our people that never even received a proper burial b/c they was never found...he is not worthy to be placed in a shroud or a grave for that matter.


I wonder if the date they announced this on was a political game.

Hitler's death was announced on May 1st 1945.
Osama's death was announced on May 1st 2011.

Maybe I'm being to cynical. :nonod:

Where's my tinfoil hat?

that's pretty interesting...

The cool part is that they hopefully got some good intel from the compound. There was no internet or phone. I hope that means there was paper and observable people coming and going.


That or he made the mistake of buying an iPhone. :)

That or he made the mistake of buying an iPhone. :)

If he'd graduated from the college I did, the alumni association would have known every cave and compound he'd lived in so they could send him flyers asking for money.

Obama announced it when he did to interrupt Trump's Celebrity Apprentice......:smilielol5:

...Obama announced it when he did to interrupt Trump's Celebrity Apprentice......:smilielol5:

If that is the case, Obama's stock just went up. :)

watch them come back and say that its not his body....I hope not...

With DNA and all the caution about waiting to announce it, I seriously doubt they screwed up the DNA test. If they did mess it up, it'll sure that the heat off of Bush regarding his "Mission Accomplished" fiasco.

Islamic tradition?? I'm sorry but that is just BS to me , what about all of our people that never even received a proper burial b/c they was never found...he is not worthy to be placed in a shroud or a grave for that matter.


I think it shows class on our part. You have to do what you have to do in war, but once he's dead I'm glad we're not stooping to their level.

I just read that he was buried at sea. Probably the only Muslim tradition followed was that he was buried (more or less) within the prescribed 24 hours.

If that is the case, Obama's stock just went up. :)

Went down for me because he also interrupted a new episode of The Simpsons......:mad2: That's the only network TV show I watch!

Seriously, I could see this administration being that petty to time it like that. To me, that brings them down to Trump's level, which is pretty low.

A Prince gets married and the bad guy dies. It's like a real life Disney movie!

I think it shows class on our part. You have to do what you have to do in war, but once he's dead I'm glad we're not stooping to their level.

I just read that he was buried at sea. Probably the only Muslim tradition followed was that he was buried (more or less) within the prescribed 24 hours.

this is true.. it does show we have class.....however, I guess I can find my satisfaction in knowing the fish will soon be nibbling his toes...:P


A Prince gets married and the bad guy dies. It's like a real life Disney movie!

lol..you know you do have a point....

At school the joke is how far he could be thrown into the ocean. I thought it was a joke at first last night.

this is true.. it does show we have class.....however, I guess I can find my satisfaction in knowing the fish will soon be nibbling his toes...:P

Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.

Friedrich Nietzsche
German philosopher (1844 - 1900)

this is true.. it does show we have class.....however, I guess I can find my satisfaction in knowing the fish will soon be nibbling his toes...:P
lol..you know you do have a point....



He sleeps with the fishes....The Godfather.....:party:

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----------Knock, Knock
(Osama) Who's there?
---------- 40 Navy Seals
(Osama) Oh Sh*t!

----------Knock, Knock
(Osama) Who's there?
---------- 40 Navy Seals
(Osama) Oh Sh*t!

Ha ha!!

:lol: :lol:

----------knock, knock
(osama) who's there?
---------- 40 navy seals
(osama) oh sh*t!

lol :patriot::AR15firing:

This great news for the whole county, and the whole. Now let me ask this, how much longer must our arms services stay out there.? Surley this must bring them all home sometime soon.?? This war has gone on for enough, They done their county and their job proudly. This county has lost far to many very brave men and women, and we dont need to lose any more.

This great news for the whole county, and the whole. Now let me ask this, how much longer must our arms services stay out there.? Surley this must bring them all home sometime soon.?? This war has gone on for enough, They done their county and their job proudly. This county has lost far to many very brave men and women, and we dont need to lose any more.

Afghanistan and Iraq still need to be made into countries that won't be a harbor for terrorists. I'm extremely happy that Bin Laden is dead, however, I fully feel that someone else will step up to take his place. I think this is a HUGE step in the war, but by no means is it the end. Removing all troops now and brining them all home and saying "we're done" would be a huge disservice right now.

I think the Munchkins from the Land of Oz said it best.... :biggrin5:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqwPb1Dbkc

I was just reading this on Yahoo.com.au


Australian Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd has congratulated the US on executing the secret military operation that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Mr Rudd, who met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Washington DC on Monday, also re-affirmed Australia's troop commitment in Afghanistan.

"Today is a moment in history to be here in Washington with our friends and allies in America, a city which was under attack from terrorists just under a decade ago, and a city where we have heard the news that Osama bin Laden is dead," Mr Rudd said.

"It's a time when we also reflect on the absolute professionalism of American forces in discharging this mission, which has been of critical importance to so many of us around the world.

"And we congratulate them."

Australian forces are deployed in the southern Afghan province of Oruzgan and Afghan President Hamid Karzai has set a timetable for Afghan forces to take charge of security by 2014.

Mr Rudd said Australian troops "will stay the course in Afghanistan until our mission is complete".

"We respect President Karzai's 2014 date, and we are well on track towards achieving that, and we see no change as a result of the events of the last 24 hours," he said.

Bin Laden was shot dead by US Navy SEALS who raided his compound in Abbottabad, north of Islamabad.

Ms Clinton thanked "all of our partners around the world" for helping in the hunt for bin Laden and other members of the al-Qaeda terrorist network.

Ms Clinton said al-Qaeda was responsible "for the murders of so many individuals, most of whom over the last years have been Muslim, in countries not only in the United States and Europe but as far away as Bali, Indonesia where many Australians were murdered".

"Our resolve, our reach, and our partnerships and alliances, including the one we share with Australia, create a strong foundation on which we are defending freedom and pursuing justice on behalf of people everywhere around the world who seek a better life," Ms Clinton said.

I'm still a little confused, I heard rumors that he was killed last week and they were waiting on DNA results (as said earlier in this thread) but on the speech by Obama last night he said "Tonight I ordered..."

Was that speech pre-recorded because my initial understanding was that it was done in real time last night??

I'm still a little confused, I heard rumors that he was killed last week and they were waiting on DNA results (as said earlier in this thread) but on the speech by Obama last night he said "Tonight I ordered..."

Was that speech pre-recorded because my initial understanding was that it was done in real time last night??


If it was pre-recorded the speech would have been on time at 10:30 when they said it would be.

I don't trust anything Obama says because he is always twisting facts.
He also stated that no else was killed but I'm hearing that a courier, Osama's son, and one of Osama's wives were killed.
The way he kept going on about everything he did to make this happen was pretty annoying. I felt that his speech was more of a ramp up for his next campaign.

Yeah, I also read stuff that doesn't align with what some of you have said here. My co-worker read an article today that said the operation went down at 1:30/2:00 am May 1 Pakistan time and that Osama was engaged in the fire fight. I also read that Osama's Son was killed, the two couriers that they got this information from (they were detainees at one point) and a female was killed. What I read said they weren't sure if the female was Osama's young wife or not.

Maybe will get the full truth at some point?

-Shark2k

I'm still a little confused, I heard rumors that he was killed last week and they were waiting on DNA results (as said earlier in this thread) but on the speech by Obama last night he said "Tonight I ordered..."

Was that speech pre-recorded because my initial understanding was that it was done in real time last night??

I believe it all happened Sunday. I don't think they did DNA yet but confirmed with facial recognition. DNA is probably coming. I think weather postponed it a day.

They knew OBL had trusted couriers for many years. Detainees in Guantanamo provided a name. It ttok a few years to put that nom de guerre to a person. They tracked the person to the house last August. The house was watched since then. I believe they suspected OBL as the person there since November.

Personally I want to know what Obama needed to know between November and April. I commend for taking action without involving Pakistan. I would not have expected him to act that way. It's a very aggressive "America First" foreign policy to launch a military operation 30 miles from a sovereign country's capitol without even a courtesy call. Kinda validates that all the Bush "cowboy" criticism is BS.

UPDATE: AP - 20 minutes ago
President Obama has been booked into the hospital and is undergoing arthroscopic surgery. Sources within the administration say he suffered a dislocated shoulder from patting himself on the back during last night's address to the nation.

I really have no clue what the truth is at this point there is so much stuff coming out that nothing is adding up. I just found a news report that says:

"His body was quickly taken away for burial at sea, but not before a DNA match was done to prove his identity. A U.S. official said there also were photos showing bin Laden with the fatal wound above his left eye, a gunshot that tore away part of his skull. The photos were not immediately released."

"Obama signed an order on Friday for a team of SEALs to chopper onto the compound under the cover of darkness."

"In addition to bin Laden, one of his sons, Khalid, was killed in the raid, Brennan said. Bin Laden's wife was shot in the calf but survived, a U.S. official said. Also killed were two of bin Laden's al-Qaida facilitators, including the one who was apparently listed as the owner of the residence, Brennan said."

I added the bold
Bin Laden's demise: US rejoices after a decade - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110503/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden)

----------Knock, Knock
(Osama) Who's there?
---------- 40 Navy Seals
(Osama) Oh Sh*t!

More like:
(explosive door breach)
Osama: What was th..
(double tap to the head)
Navy Seal: Clear. 1 down.

I would like to know more about he firces they used. 40 seems like a large SEAL team. I wonder if it was multiple teams for perimeter and entry. I'm glad they had enough helicopters. The ghost of Jimmy Carter's Iran operation was haunting them with the helicopter malfunction.

Maybe the real problem is we have to depend on the media to give us FACTS

Maybe the real problem is we have to depend on the media to give us FACTS

Yep.

This was a highly secretive military operation. We may not get all the facts for fifty years. It was also very fluid and the media put out obviously inaccurate information (house was hit by a bomb or missile) in their initial vigor.

Actually, I am surprised we have gotten as much as we have.

More like:
(explosive door breach)
Osama: What was th..
(double tap to the head)
Navy Seal: Clear. 1 down.

I would like to know more about he firces they used. 40 seems like a large SEAL team. I wonder if it was multiple teams for perimeter and entry. I'm glad they had enough helicopters. The ghost of Jimmy Carter's Iran operation was haunting them with the helicopter malfunction.

but of course it had to be a massive operation....this was'nt a ordinary day on the playground :D they kicked butt!! but then again we always do...


Maybe the real problem is we have to depend on the media to give us FACTS

yeah they ALWAYS have to taint it someway...worse then a bunch of women in a powder room gossiping..I actually wish they would stop talking about it, I feel as if it's only stirring up more animosity..:( which is quite scary to me..

UPDATE: AP - 20 minutes ago
President Obama has been booked into the hospital and is undergoing arthroscopic surgery. Sources within the administration say he suffered a dislocated shoulder from patting himself on the back during last night's address to the nation.

As much as I dislike Obama and his policies, he grew a pair to order the go on. I admire him specifically on this incident for acting like the President of the United States should.

I fail to see any of the troops coming home in the near future...
I have heard once again through the media that OBL did not have a successor within the ranks, which i find hard to believe considering who he was.

I hate to say it, but I think things are going to heat up in the near future as a reprisal for their leader being killed.
I hope everyone stays safe!!

For what really happened maybe we need to get onto Wiki leaks?

I was just thinking yesterday when all this was going on how I long for the days of old when we'd read about it in the paper, or 3 channels (ABC/NBC/CBS) would break into scheduled programming with their evening news anchors for what probably would have been 20 or 30 minutes of information and we would have caught the rest in the morning.

I fail to see any of the troops coming home in the near future...
I have heard once again through the media that OBL did not have a successor within the ranks, which i find hard to believe considering who he was.


I don't think it is a giant leap to think that bin Laden did not have the same juice he did nine years ago.

I read an article which stated that the Taliban in Afghanistan does not care one way or the other about bin Laden. I doubt this will slow down anything in the 'stan.

There is also the historical fact that sometimes it does get way more dangerous when a "leader" goes down and a power vacuum opens up.

It will be interesting to see if someone wishes to step up into bin Laden’s place or if they are going to lay as low as possible not knowing when the SEAL team may stop by for a visit.

I think the hit was more symbolic than anything else, sort of like Jimmy Dolittle's raid on Tokyo. I doubt it will have much effect on the radical movement in the long run, but it was nice to have a "gotcha" moment.

Interesting that the WH had several days to get the story straight and the facts are already changing. At first they said he was armed, apparently tried to use a woman as a shield and shot at the SEALs. Now they're saying he wasn't armed and the woman shield thing was another incident.

White House modifies Osama bin Laden account - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html)

Not that its important that he was armed or not, I think it says something that they had time to sort out the details and still screwed it up.

As much as I dislike Obama and his policies, he grew a pair to order the go on. I admire him specifically on this incident for acting like the President of the United States should.

I must say I was impressed as well...maybe there is hope afterall :)

maybe there is hope afterall :)

I wouldn't hold my breath. He desperately needed something positive, his poll numbers are in the tank. He took a hell of a risk, I admit that. If Bin Laden hadn't been there or there had been a major mess like when Carter tried to rescue the Iran hostages, he would have really been screwed. Had he not really needed the popular opinion boost, I seriously doubt he would have stuck his neck out that far. He had to do something and you can bet this will be touted all during the next campaign.

I bet his killed his soul to have people put flowers and things at W.'s gate in Texas.

Well...folks...I am a card carrying, active voting Democrat. Probably the only one on this site. Obama has given us the corpse of the most hated man in America and I'm very impressed with the way he handled the whole situation. The media, oh well.

If he IS in the dumps in the polls that is understandable, he has one hell of a mess to clean up from the past administrations. And, if he timed this to boost his rep, so what - like he is the ONLY President to do that? BTW anyone ever finda those WMD? :biggrin5:

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If he IS in the dumps in the polls that is understandable, he has one hell of a mess to clean up from the past administrations.

And he's done everything he could to make it worse. Bush did a lot of things I don't agree with, but Obama has done nothing to help it, that's for sure. His numbers are poor because he and the Democratic Congress have done a poor job the last two years. You can only ride blame so far, at some point you have to take responsibility, but that's not the way Clinton nor Obama operate.

I love the quote I read, "Bush took us to the brink of catastrophe and Obama made one great step forward".

Odd isn't it that when Bush was prez, we got a daily update on the number of military killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that's hardly mentioned. And the photos of the coffins of the dead troops the press wanted to publish so badly under Bush never show up now..... Strange.....

Not to mention the price of gas has more than doubled since he's been in office...... If Bush was still in, that would be all his fault, wouldn't it?

I give Obama credit for Bin Laden, but IF he hadn't had numbers in the tank, I seriously doubt he would have taken the risk. Bush would have for all his faults, unlike Obama, was more of a president than a perpetual campaigner.

...BTW anyone ever finda those WMD? :biggrin5:

I've personally seen the grave sites where many victims of said WMDs were buried. God knows that when someone dies from a GSW, no one claims there was no gun just because they cannot find it.
:rolleyes5:

Well...folks...I am a card carrying, active voting Democrat. Probably the only one on this site. Obama has given us the corpse of the most hated man in America and I'm very impressed with the way he handled the whole situation. The media, oh well.
Well they actually didn't give us a corpse it was thrown into the sea.



If he IS in the dumps in the polls that is understandable, he has one hell of a mess to clean up from the past administrations.
So his solution was to throw more money than all past presidents combined into failing companies, like GM, so they can build plants in China. Yeah makes good financial sense.




And, if he timed this to boost his rep, so what - like he is the ONLY President to do that?
So much for your hope and change.



BTW anyone ever finda those WMD? :biggrin5:
You do realize that a couple of pounds of Anthrax is enough to take out a city? Let me know if you can find that in a country the size of Texas.
Also did you notice the mass graves full of women and children that Saddam Hussein left behind. Do you think we should have let him continue killing innocent women and children like Hitler did in Germany? Or do you think that we should have never intervened in WWII either? :rolleyes5:

And he's done everything he could to make it worse. Bush did a lot of things I don't agree with, but Obama has done nothing to help it, that's for sure. His numbers are poor because he and the Democratic Congress have done a poor job the last two years. You can only ride blame so far, at some point you have to take responsibility, but that's not the way Clinton nor Obama operate.

I love the quote I read, "Bush took us to the brink of catastrophe and Obama made one great step forward".

Odd isn't it that when Bush was prez, we got a daily update on the number of military killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that's hardly mentioned. And the photos of the coffins of the dead troops the press wanted to publish so badly under Bush never show up now..... Strange.....

Not to mention the price of gas has more than doubled since he's been in office...... If Bush was still in, that would be all his fault, wouldn't it?

I give Obama credit for Bin Laden, but IF he hadn't had numbers in the tank, I seriously doubt he would have taken the risk. Bush would have for all his faults, unlike Obama, was more of a president than a perpetual campaigner.

+ 100 he came into a mess and has a made a bigger mess....I pity the life my son has to look forward to in the next 20 years it makes me sick to think about it.. I personally could care less about politics b/c they all lie they promise you the moon until they get into office and then it's funny how the tide changes...ordering the assasination of Bin Laden will be his greatest achievement and probabley only achievement..but it's still not his saving grace...no doubt he has his hands full anyone that sits in that seat does...but it also does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out whose getting rich either and whose suffering...

Hey! Stand Down....LOL...ALLLLL I am saying is this.....you cannot blame Obama for everything. Of course we needed to intervene and stop the killing of innocents - so why don't we do that worldwide? How bout Mexico to start? But then Mexico probably doesn't have anything we want, I don't know...do they have oil fields?

I'm just tired of all the Obama bashing...if there was a search on this site so I could avoid all the posts about the government past and present I would certainly use it. I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone on politics because I am not that learned on the subject. One thing I do know is that when Clinton was in office my life was a lot easier than it is now....and that is what it boils down to for everyone whether they will admit it or not.

I know I started this, mostly because it pissed me off the Pres. does something really great and he still gets slammed for it. So now, I believe I will go have a beer(s).

...ordering the assasination of Bin Laden will be [Obama's] greatest achievement and probabley only achievement..

I don't fault anyone who sees this as a resume bullet for Obama, in an indirect way I can see that, but I believe more closely to what a friend posted on their FB wall:

"Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American Service Member, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did it. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our military finally found Osama Bin Laden and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!"

I don't fault anyone who sees this as a resume bullet for Obama, in an indirect way I can see that, but I believe more closely to what a friend posted on their FB wall:

"Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American Service Member, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did it. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our military finally found Osama Bin Laden and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!"


lol....true... and I stand corrected...:D

I will give O props for telling them it's a go but that is all. Clinton didn't give that order when he should have. If he did we wouldn't have had a 9/11 to have to remember.

Also if we are going to give O props for giving the command we have to give someone credit for getting the information that lead to Osama's location.
So props goes out to G. W. Bush for getting the info back in 2007 during the "enhanced interrogation techniques" that they used.

I personally could care less about politics b/c they all lie they promise you the moon until they get into office and then it's funny how the tide changes...

I agree. If I learned anything working in small towns it's that you learn alot about politicians and what I have noticed is it really isn't any different at the federal level, just WAY more people are affected. They all do what suits THEM best.

I have a friend, acquaintance really, that wanted to run for council in the town he lives in. He doesn't care about the town, what he does care about is that he lives across the street from a baseball field and in the spring and summer people park in front of his house, near his driveway, etc. THAT is why he wanted to be on council, he could care less about other issues. He wants to ban parking in front of his house, though with his recently born son his tune will change in a few years...

I'm still waiting for the guy who instead of finger pointing, says "This is the situation and this is how I plan to resolve it." Even if he fails, if he keeps his word that is all I ask. All politicians say that but then they go off and do something else.


This is why *flame suit on* I don't vote, but I feel like after Obama I may start...


I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone on politics because I am not that learned on the subject.

That's why (usually) I keep my mouth shut also...



Anyone see this? Hilarious:
Late Night with Jimmy Fallon - Donald Trump: 'I Killed Osama Bin Laden' - Video - NBC.com (http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/trump-responds-to-bin-laden-news/1324298/)

Hey! Stand Down....LOL...ALLLLL I am saying is this.....you cannot blame Obama for everything. Of course we needed to intervene and stop the killing of innocents - so why don't we do that worldwide? How bout Mexico to start? But then Mexico probably doesn't have anything we want, I don't know...do they have oil fields?

Look at the numbers (debt, unemployed, etc) when he was elected and what they are now. No, I don't blame him for everything, but he's done a lousy job of fixing anything. And Mexico has lots of oil.


I'm just tired of all the Obama bashing...if there was a search on this site so I could avoid all the posts about the government past and present I would certainly use it. I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone on politics because I am not that learned on the subject. One thing I do know is that when Clinton was in office my life was a lot easier than it is now....and that is what it boils down to for everyone whether they will admit it or not.

How about what it was like under Bush's first 6 or 7 years as opposed to now? We were heading into a recession the last year of Clinton's administration and the market crashed in April of 2000 while he was still in. That's why the Bush tax cuts came in to hold it off. Unfortunately, the cuts were so much that nearly 50% of Americans don't pay any income taxes. And Lord knows there was no Bush bashing his entire tenure.:rolleyes5:

But at least he or his press secretary didn't blame someone else for the problems like Clinton did and Obama does constantly. And Clinton had a Republican House 6 or his 8 years in office. He inherited a rising economy too and took all the credit for it.

I'm not a far right winger and a lot of the things the Republicans talk about annoy me. But Obama has done nothing but campaign the entire time he's been in office. Even his own party is tired of his lack of leadership in the current budget process.


I know I started this, mostly because it pissed me off the Pres. does something really great and he still gets slammed for it. So now, I believe I will go have a beer(s).

No one is denying that he did a good thing. But I still think that if his numbers were up there, he wouldn't have taken the risk.

I agree. If I learned anything working in small towns it's that you learn alot about politicians and what I have noticed is it really isn't any different at the federal level, just WAY more people are affected. They all do what suits THEM best.


That's why I would never work for a small town. The politicians are too up close and personal. Several of my peers retired from my department and tried to be chiefs in them learned that the hard way.

Two presidents I think that really tried to do what they thought was best for the country were Bush and Carter. I disagreed with nearly every policy Carter had, but I didn't see him as self serving even though he was a terrible president. I think Bush also did things because he thought it was the right thing to do for the USA. The Clintons on the other hand were all about them. Both Hillary and Bill are the most narcissistic people I've seen in office. The fact they tried to take a bunch of government property when he left office showed their lack of respect for the office. They had to return quite a few gifts from other countries because they belong to the nation, not them.

Hey! I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone on politics because I am not that learned on the subject. One thing I do know is that when Clinton was in office my life was a lot easier than it is now....and that is what it boils down to for everyone whether they will admit it or not.


Sparrow, get "learned on the subject." You're a voter and it's your job to understand. You have to understand that you don't see what we see in our job. That welfare recepiant that has 5 kids she doesn't give a rat's *** for will have 4 cartoons of cig's and a 60" big screen and surround sound but yet she has just "fallen on hard times." As far as Clinton being president, it was great economic times and nobody will argue that, but what you fail to understand is what forces were behind the good economic times. Educate yourself on politics and before you know it you will be voting republican also.

As much as I dislike Obama and his policies, he grew a pair to order the go on. I admire him specifically on this incident for acting like the President of the United States should.

Yup. +1 on this. He's going to catch heat from his European liberal buddies and they may want his peace prize back after utilizing waterboarding intel to justify attacking a sovereign nation and killing an unarmed man, but he still gave the 'Go' order. That's a lot more than I would have given him credit for before Sunday.

Sparrow, get "learned on the subject." You're a voter and it's your job to understand. You have to understand that you don't see what we see in our job. That welfare recepiant that has 5 kids she doesn't give a rat's *** for will have 4 cartoons of cig's and a 60" big screen and surround sound but yet she has just "fallen on hard times." As far as Clinton being president, it was great economic times and nobody will argue that, but what you fail to understand is what forces were behind the good economic times. Educate yourself on politics and before you know it you will be voting republican also.

Oh, I've seen plenty. I worked for 20 years on a chemical dependnecy unit and saw the abuse of the welfare system, etc. Not to say I see what you guys see every day ... I don't.

And, shame on you for saying I will be voting rep. :nonod:

Boy I must have had a brain fart this morning for gettin into all this sh!!. I usually stay out of political warfare. Now I know how suspects feel when surrouded with guns pointed at em.

:leaving:

Sparrow, get "learned on the subject." You're a voter and it's your job to understand. You have to understand that you don't see what we see in our job. That welfare recepiant that has 5 kids she doesn't give a rat's *** for will have 4 cartoons of cig's and a 60" big screen and surround sound but yet she has just "fallen on hard times." As far as Clinton being president, it was great economic times and nobody will argue that, but what you fail to understand is what forces were behind the good economic times. Educate yourself on politics and before you know it you will be voting republican also.


I'm not sure where I would stand my husband tells me all the time that I am a democrat, I don't vote because I'm not up to Par with politics enough to vote it would be a blinded vote and to me that is worse then no vote, I know it's bad not to be educated on politics b/c after all it is what makes the world go round ....but...i just can't bring myself to comprehend it all, I mean I do care but in the end they all act the same way...I also have a more christian based world view on the matter...sigh i'm ready for the beating.....

Now I know how suspects feel when surrouded with guns pointed at em.

No, you don't.

I'm not sure where I would stand my husband tells me all the time that I am a democrat, I don't vote because I'm not up to Par with politics enough to vote it would be a blinded vote and to me that is worse then no vote, I know it's bad not to be educated on politics b/c after all it is what makes the world go round ....but...i just can't bring myself to comprehend it all, I mean I do care but in the end they all act the same way...I also have a more christian based world view on the matter...sigh i'm ready for the beating.....



I really agree with you - politicians have interchangeable parts ....comes down to it...they're all the same.

That's why (usually) I keep my mouth shut also...


This is a smart move, Greg.

I've asked people before if they voted in the last election when they start spouting off. If they answered no, then I advise them to STFU and stop complaining.

Very few things irritate me off more than someone pissing and moaning about an election when they didn't get up off their butt and vote.

Thousands upon thousands of good men and women have given their lives to preserve our freedoms and our ability to select our leadership via the ballots. We owe it to them to utilize the rights ensured by their sacrifices.

As much as I dislike Obama and his policies, he grew a pair to order the go on. I admire him specifically on this incident for acting like the President of the United States should.

I agree to the extent that I am pleased he made this gutsy call. Our intelligence over the past few years has been less than stellar. He rolled the dice and it worked out well. My admiration, however, go to the men and women in the field and their professional execution of this operation.

This is a smart move, Greg.

I've asked people before if they voted in the last election when they start spouting off. If they answered no, then I advise them to STFU and stop complaining.

Very few things irritate me off more than someone pissing and moaning about an election when they didn't get up off their butt and vote.

Thousands upon thousands of good men and women have given their lives to preserve our freedoms and our ability to select our leadership via the ballots. We owe it to them to utilize the rights ensured by their sacrifices.

An ex told me that by not voting at all I was voting for Obama. I tried to explain that actually it meant I wasn't voting for anyone but she wasn't having it. Oh well can't level with a nutcase.

My admiration, however, go to the men and women in the field and their professional execution of this operation.

I am with you on that.

My utmost respect goes out to the boots on the ground and the personnel who provided immediate mission support.

I am with you on that.

My utmost respect goes out to the boots on the ground and the personnel who provided immediate mission support.

yes very true!! they did all the work...and good point cat about registering to vote...thinking I will be educating myself in the very near future.....we really do owe it....:)

I'm not sure where I would stand my husband tells me all the time that I am a democrat, I don't vote because I'm not up to Par with politics enough to vote it would be a blinded vote and to me that is worse then no vote, I know it's bad not to be educated on politics b/c after all it is what makes the world go round ....but...i just can't bring myself to comprehend it all, I mean I do care but in the end they all act the same way...I also have a more christian based world view on the matter...sigh i'm ready for the beating.....

That's my definition of the base democrat. They see's strife and suffering and wants to immediately help but has no context or understanding of the entire problem or any way to relate the strife in front of them to strife that isn't in front of them. It's the nightly news as it flits from one tragedy to another (and that of course is why democrats are drawn to journalism more than republicans as they view it as helping). It's not a knock, just that there is no context of the problem when single issues are highlighted and the order of the day is "fix my problem now by giving me money." That's the run-of-the-mill "feel good" policy democrat and is popular in colleges and what not. They don't have the time or inclination to understand the problem more than that. It's much easier to give the beggar a dollar than it is to understand how he became destitute, what skills he lacked and needs and whether his plight is by his own hand or that of misfortune. Just give him a dollar and more importantly, everyone should give him a dollar without regard to wherever else that dollar should be going. That's the way our budget process is handled. Every week, there is a new critical program that needs funding. Health care, farmers, heating oil for the poor, food stamps, etc. All those programs sound great but they are never put in perspective.

Personally, I don't consider that to be Christian. Couple that spending with a disregard for debt and there is the hidden tax know as inflation. Think of this: Democrats oppose putting pre-tax dollars into retirements. They wanted the taxes immediately for spending. They argued that the wealthy were the main beneficiaries of that policy. Taxing 401k's would be political suicide so they are doing it in a backward fashion: inflation. Through the use of "quantitative easing" they simply are spending your 401k today and replacing it with something of less value in the future. The ultimate goal is control. If everyone is in the same boat (i.e. single payer healthcare, food stamps, government housing) there is nothing to complain about. Not only that, people become dependant on government to the point where no one will risk ending "housing, food, health care and energy". We will in effect become slaves to the system with no way out and nothing to compare it to. "Keeping up with the Jones" can either be a principaled ideology of bettering yourself or it can be unprincipaled by working to remove the Jones's. If everyone gets the same thing from the government, there is no incentive to be better and the Jones's have been removed.

Look at it this way: 40 years ago, only the richest people had 2 cars, color television, cable, VCR's and microwaves. That wealth has now been transformed to the poorest of society. Yet we still claim that poverty is unchanged at 20%. The number one problem facing poor U.S. children is obesity. That's a ridiculous problem to have and it tells me, personally, that money spent on these programs is misguided. It did not adapt to the problem, rather it became an untouchable institution. The same is true for all government programs. The War on Drugs, Defense Department and NASA all have this problem. Personally, I think the War on Drugs is supposed to stop drug addicts from committing crimes. I don't really care that they are addicts. I just don't want them stealing from productive citizens and I don't want to burden the health care system with their medical problems. To that end, I support drug enforcement. Is that where we are now? I cringe when I hear politicians trying to address "productivity" issues related to people taking prescription medication but otherwise not committing crimes. Let employers deal with that. The government can deal with people that steal medications from the law abiding. Defense Department might be the worst for creating institutions. They still have mighty turf battles and strategic thinking battles. Think of the strategic thinking battle between the Battleship Admirals and the Aircraft Carrier Admirals in WWII and realize that it goes on every year. Poltiicians weigh in when their state is involved in providing either Battleships or Aircraft Carriers. NASA has found a way to ingrain itself in every politically inspired science possible. I think the only way the continue to get funded is to have enough allies with their own earmarks that they get it all passed. NASA will get crushed by up and coming space companies in both safety and cost effectiveness. Their future is in satellite based observations of politcal science like global warming.

And that's just ideology. Most politicians are only concerned with governing, not policy. They want power and to be politicians. This was readily apparent after the fall of the soviet union and all the card carrying communist politicians reinvented themselves. I don't think U.S. politiicians would be any different.

Okay rant off.

:) first off that was a awesome post. based on your definition of democrat still not sure where I stand...i'm pretty much neither . I don't really believe in the welfare system or free services I agree with mostly what you said...I believe in helping people if they are * TRYING* to get a job and not abusing the system, and yes I believe in charity and giving to people I do it all the time so maybe that does make me democratic :) as far as the comment about a christian based view basically what I mean by that in the end it's not going to matter anyways, this economy the world we live in now is destined to fall all of this is in the book of revelations no mighty outstanding president is going to stop what is pedestined to be...

I usually stay out of political warfare. Now I know how suspects feel when surrouded with guns pointed at em.

A bit over-dramatic, don't ya think?

Whoever said the road to Hell was paved with good intentions was correct.

I remember when LBJ started the "Great Society" campaign and preached a "safety net" for poor people. I admit, I thought it was a good idea at the time. But after I became a cop and started working in the ghetto, I saw what a mess it created.

ADC, Aid to Dependent Children was the worst. Women got money for each child they had as long as the father didn't live in the household. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the mindset and problems that created. I saw the federal programs in place and they were all shams that made local charlatans rich, cost us a fortune and did nothing for the people. Although the idea behind welfare was to provide that safety net until people could get back on their feet, that's not what happened. People found they could live okay on welfare and not have to ever go to work. There were no incentives to make people do it until the welfare reformation done by Clinton and the Republican Congress. Clinton, BTW took that from Gingrich's Contract With America.

I absolutely believe we have a obligation to take care of people who can't take care of themselves, e.g. the physically and mentally disabled and the elderly who are too old to work. But not the people who make life choices to leech off the government.

The welfare programs and the tax cuts have gotten out of hand. It's ridiculous that 47% of Americans don't pay income tax. My first full year in the Army (during the draft and low military pay), I made $2400 and I paid some income tax on that.

The food stamp thing has gone nuts too. My oldest daughter and her husband built a 3500 sq ft house that's nearly paid for now. He's self employed as a river fishing guide and makes good money. A couple of years ago when the recession first hit, his business suffered and his income went down some. My daughter called me laughing that she found out that they were eligible for food stamps. That makes no sense to me at all.

In the meantime, while we are giving money and benefits to people who are perfectly capable of doing some kind of work, we have mentally ill people living on the street because there is no money nor any will to institutionalize them. Liberals continually kid themselves that they can release these folks into society and they will continue to take their meds, etc. Conservatives don't want to spend the money on them. Consequently, in Oregon at least, there are hundreds of mentally ill people barely living on the streets. I worked a couple of homicides involving these people, it was pathetic to see how they were living and they are too mentally ill to do any better for themselves.

We've become a society that feels entitled and that's dangerous. Young people are entitled to computers, big screen TV's, new cars, etc. That's why the average credit card debt in this country is $20K. And that's a particularly scary stat when a lot of us have no credit card debt. The mortgage mess came about because people bought houses they couldn't afford on iffy, variable interest loans, not thinking for a moment that the interest rate would go up. I watched young couples moving into new 2500+ sq. ft homes in my neighborhood that I knew they couldn't afford. And when they lost everything, they want me to pay for their dumb@ss decisions? Well, the Democrats have made sure that I've done that.

You can blame the banks all you want, but if you're dumb enough to take out a home loan where payments are 50% of your income and another quarter of your pay goes to car and credit card payments, don't come crying to me when your life blows up......

ADC, Aid to Dependent Children was the worst. Women got money for each child they had as long as the father didn't live in the household. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the mindset and problems that created. I saw the federal programs in place and they were all shams that made local charlatans rich, cost us a fortune and did nothing for the people.

Years ago, before reforms, my friends sister was doing her OB residency in a Washington DC hospital. They did a lot of deliveries for women on welfare. One woman had nine kids and was having another. It was going to be a caesarian. The sister offered to tie her tubes for free while she was in there so she couldn't have more kids.

"Hell no" was the response. The thing was the baby didn't need food or clothes for nearly a year because of breast feeding and hand-me-downs. But she got the increased welfare check immediately. She wanted the money. Instead of kiting checks, she kited kids into welfare. I can't be sure, but I think the sister wasn't too careful with keeping everything intact after that explanation.

I believe in helping people if they are * TRYING* to get a job and not abusing the system, and yes I believe in charity and giving to people I do it all the time so maybe that does make me democratic :)

Giving to charity and people isn't a democrat principle. Taking from citizens and giving through the government is a democrat principle.

Charity, in and of itself is not ideological. Republicans and Democrats both wish to help people that need help. That's a human trait. The ideological difference is how that is achieved. Republicans tend to believe that charity directly from taxation and the government creates entitlements that eventually become corrupted and misguided. The goal always transforms into spending more (i.e. metric for education isn't results, it's dollars per student spent) Democrats believe that charity provided through churches and individuals is both inadequate and has too many strings attached (i.e. religion). There is truth to both of those views. The deciding factor for me is that lots of small scale welfare programs can be fixed, reversed, shut down, etc. One giant welfare entitlement system cannot.

Wanna fix it? Let people choose which private charity gets their welfare tax dollars. If the G spends 30% on welfare, you get to choose which charity gets your 30%. Get the G out of the entitlement game and let them regulate and audit the charities. Heck, they just have to contract with the United Way and it would save billions on federal social workers.

Years ago, before reforms, my friends sister was doing her OB residency in a Washington DC hospital. They did a lot of deliveries for women on welfare. One woman had nine kids and was having another. It was going to be a caesarian. The sister offered to tie her tubes for free while she was in there so she couldn't have more kids.

"Hell no" was the response. The thing was the baby didn't need food or clothes for nearly a year because of breast feeding and hand-me-downs. But she got the increased welfare check immediately. She wanted the money. Instead of kiting checks, she kited kids into welfare. I can't be sure, but I think the sister wasn't too careful with keeping everything intact after that explanation.

And her kids were the generation of the first gangbangers! I used to see the same thing all the time. The other unintended consequence was, of course they did little or nothing to parent these children. We called them "garden kids" because they were fed, watered and that was about it. They were left to raise themselves on the streets and naturally they formed gangs.

I agree with both of you whole heartedly about people abusing the system and i like your idea about picking which charity you give too :) I do believe people have become lazy based on our own governments aide why try to work when you have someone paying your way...My own father has been out of work for two years and during those two years he received unemployment and they was pretty lax with when and how he got paid now after years and years of giving out free money they have revamped the system you now have to have I think it's five jobs that you have applied for before they will send you money and it should have been this way from the beginning. I also loathe the mothers that you speak of that use kids as if they are baggage to try to get ahead it's rediculous and selfish. last year my mom had her right kidney completly blocked due to a large stone she was in renal failure and deathly sick with no insurance....I pretty much had to fight tooth and nail to get her any medical assistance because of it and yet you have people that abuse the stystem on a daily basis, and a person that has worked their entire life can't get any help that annoyed me I kept fighting and in the end I got her a 10,000$ surgery for 3 grand instead...I see it a lot in my work too people abusing the system right now we have 7 charity cases at my work insurance ( medicare) has stopped paying and the family says they can't or refuse to so what do you do? situations like this the rules should be bent or the care that the government covers should be lengthened something has to give...lol that's my rant :)

I just heard that they are having a funeral, and Elton John is singing at it...Sandals in the bin.

Anyone want the new Osama Bin Latte coffee? It has a fluffy white head with two shots in it.

I just heard that they are having a funeral, and Elton John is singing at it...Sandals in the bin.

Anyone want the new Osama Bin Latte coffee? It has a fluffy white head with two shots in it.

Too soon???? ;)

Wanna fix it? Let people choose which private charity gets their welfare tax dollars. If the G spends 30% on welfare, you get to choose which charity gets your 30%. Get the G out of the entitlement game and let them regulate and audit the charities. Heck, they just have to contract with the United Way and it would save billions on federal social workers.

Anything the government does is going to have about 40% administrative costs. That's why Bush wanted to distribute money through faith based charities, which I agree with.

United Way is not faith based nor is it all that efficient. I give most of my charitable contributions to the Salvation Army. They have about the lowest overhead, their CEO doesn't make millions of dollars a year and they give help to the people who need it most. United Way gives money to "charities" such as the ACLU. When that was discovered, my department stopped collecting money for United Way and we set up our own charity fund and vote on who gets the money.

I also give money to Habitat For Humanity. They help people have homes, but they have to come and put in a lot of hours themselves on building it. It's not a free gift and it creates nice looking, affordable housing. It's quite active in my town and they've built some nice homes for people that also contribute to the livability of the community.

The other one I give money to is the local ASPCA. I gave money to the national one for a short time, but they kept sending me t-shirts, umbrellas, backpacks and all sorts of junk I didn't want or need to try and get more money from me. I wanted the money to go to animals, not buy worthless crap. The local ASPCA does a lot of good work.

I just heard that they are having a funeral, and Elton John is singing at it...Sandals in the bin.


Anyone want the new Osama Bin Latte coffee? It has a fluffy white head with two shots in it.

That's funny...... I can't wait until he gets his 72 Virginians......

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Two shots with a splash of water, please.

Two shots with a splash of water, please.

Cheers. Here's hoping he was still alive when he hit the water. And hoping by "wash the body for burial" they really meant "waterboarded."

I just heard that they are having a funeral, and Elton John is singing at it...Sandals in the bin.


New Lyrics released:
Sandals in The Bin - by Sir Elton John

Goodbye sandal man
Though we never wished to know you
You had the means to hide yourself
while those around you starved
You called out to our country
And you whispered "bring me pain"
Now you're food for sea crabs
Courtesy of the Navy.

And it seems to me you deserved your fate
Like the Sandals in the Bin
forever smelling like the garbage
when the rot set in
And those footsteps will always haunt you
when those Seals came by
Your sandals wore out long before
you took two above the eye

They apparently were watching the house from last August and recovered a bunch of documents.

It will be interesting if there are contacts with al qaeda in Iraq or any other governments. We'll probably never hear of it as we hand over names to other countries. A quiet purge could begin any day. There's probably a lot of Pakistani intelligence and military officials biting donuts into their office chairs. It also wouldn't surprise me if some of the gitmo civilian lawyers pop up out of it as a conduit to OBL. It happened before I believe.

I hope they logged visitors to his hideout. Each should get a visit from the Seal teams.

They have already created a shrine for Osama.

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Must be registered. :(

Must be registered. :(

Ok fixed it so should be good now.

GTG now. Thank you. :)

They have already created a shrine for Osama.

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Quality!!!

I think even that is more than he deserves :p

Originally Posted by SANE-A30 *
Islamic tradition?? I'm sorry but that is just BS to me , what about all of our people that never even received a proper burial b/c they was never found...he is not worthy to be placed in a shroud or a grave for that matter.


I think it shows class on our part. You have to do what you have to do in war, but once he's dead I'm glad we're not stooping to their level.

I just read that he was buried at sea. Probably the only Muslim tradition followed was that he was buried (more or less) within the prescribed 24 hours.

I'm so glad someone said this. We are a great nation, and I think part of what makes us great is that we are warmhearted and giving, and not bloodthirsty, as some media tries to portray us.

Being warmhearted, in this case, would be more than inappropriate I agree, but grace always is.
I can't imagine a great person, or nation, without great generousity and integrity.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, but that doesn't rule out the former.
We couldn't stand proud and professional after descending to the Taliban's low level, disrespect and cruelty.

I'm so glad someone said this. We are a great nation, and I think part of what makes us great is that we are warmhearted and giving, and not bloodthirsty, as some media tries to portray us.

Being warmhearted, in this case, would be more than inappropriate I agree, but grace always is.
I can't imagine a great person, or nation, without great generousity and integrity.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, but that doesn't rule out the former.
We couldn't stand proud and professional after descending to the Taliban's low level, disrespect and cruelty.

I heard this was the real reason for Bin Laden's burial at sea:

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LOL!! that is THE BEST yet... maybe even worth some REP :D

I heard this was the real reason for Bin Laden's burial at sea:

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LOL

That was good. Best I've seen.

I agree, rep sent Kimble.

If you said that you supported Obama in his uncharacteristic decisiveness, you may want to reconsider.

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden | Socyberty (http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/)

It's a very nice read... and it seems more in character for him.

If you said that you supported Obama in his uncharacteristic decisiveness, you may want to reconsider.

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden | Socyberty (http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/)

It's a very nice read... and it seems more in character for him.

Definitely a more believable version. I had a hard time accepting that Obama rode in and all by himself saved America.

If you said that you supported Obama in his uncharacteristic decisiveness, you may want to reconsider.

White House Insider: Obama Hesitated – Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden | Socyberty (http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/)

It's a very nice read... and it seems more in character for him.

The only reason why he might have hesitated was maybe b/c of the fear of increase in security threats b/c of his death... maybe...it was a big risk that we took BUT...it was also worth it..Did any of you read where he had been plotting to attack our railway systems ( trains)...its scary to think we have enemies that powerful...

The only reason why he might have hesitated was maybe b/c of the fear of increase in security threats b/c of his death... maybe...it was a big risk that we took BUT...it was also worth it..Did any of you read where he had been plotting to attack our railway systems ( trains)...its scary to think we have enemies that powerful...

If you read that article it his hesitations were nothing of the sort. The reasons appeared a little more selfish.

It's not like he is going to come here and do it himself anyway, there are plenty of native born people living here who would be happy to carry out hsi plans, and we aren't out of the woods just because he got killed. If anything we may be worse off. Don't get me wrong justice was done but he is only one guy.

It's not like he is going to come here and do it himself anyway, there are plenty of native born people living here who would be happy to carry out hsi plans, and we aren't out of the woods just because he got killed. If anything we may be worse off. Don't get me wrong justice was done but he is only one guy.

I agree. I couldn't believe that some news commentators were actually claiming that this marked the end of the war on terror. While Bin Laden's death is one big victory, it's certainly not going to end the threat of terrorism.

The only reason why he might have hesitated was maybe b/c of the fear of increase in security threats b/c of his death... maybe...it was a big risk that we took BUT...it was also worth it..Did any of you read where he had been plotting to attack our railway systems ( trains)...its scary to think we have enemies that powerful...

Read the article. He hesitated because he was worried about his (already plummeting) ratings.... and he hesitated for MONTHS!

Read the article. He hesitated because he was worried about his (already plummeting) ratings.... and he hesitated for MONTHS!

Some of us are still trying to figure out who that adviser is and how she got mixed up into Military matters and why she should have a say in them. She appears to have nothing to do with DOD but yet was trying to talk him out of the strike.

Strange.

Read the article. He hesitated because he was worried about his (already plummeting) ratings.... and he hesitated for MONTHS!

Timeline from other sources was the compound was discovered last August. Confirmed OBL hideout in November.

November to April must have pissed off a lot CIA people. The january issue with the contractor may have also delayed things. For drone strikes in Pakistan the CIA really shortened the loop. They identify and attack when the opportunity presents itself. There is definitely some explaining due about the delay from November through April.

To be honest, despite the delay, I am not sure a republican administration would have been more successful. Democrats have traditionally opposed our alliance with Pakistan and supported India and sympathized with old Soviet Union. republicans have traditionally supported pakistan. I would have been concerned that elements within a republican administration would have advocated informing pakistan about "high value target" and doing a "joint operation." it would have been in august though and before they realized it was OBL and we would never have known as he would have been moved. It would interesting to see if there is a difference in "sharing" between Obama and Bush admins with pakistan.

http://savecivilization.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/nuns.jpg

That is all.

Would have been great if this is how the SEAL team dressed. "Osama, there's virgins at the door ready to meet you."

I went to school with the lead singer of this and my Bil played football with him in highschool so we get all his music before its put on cds this is their newest :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82NpD14W6Uo&feature=player_embedded


he posted it on his facebook today...:)