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I am waiting for the fallout from this tragic event. The information is spotty now but this Shrink seems like a real turd in the punch bowl. Coward is a nice description. Thoughts and prayers to my brothers and sisters and their families. One troop interviewed said it best. "You expect to be shot at over there - we can't even defend ourselves here."

It is a bit disappointing. If you can surreptitiously enter the facility with weapons, those on the inside are relatively defenseless for a huge amount of time.

Does the military still have the option for execution as a sentence?

Does the military still have the option for execution as a sentence?
Yes, the UCMJ allows for death on capital murder offenses. However, TX has a long-standing tradition of doing well at capital punishment (vice letting offenders sit on death row for decades), and I'm more inclined to letting the state settle this matter if the base has concurrent jurisdiction.

Based on what I've read so far, I wonder why the hell the Army allowed this guy to stay, much less decide to deploy him to a combat zone?

I hate to sound like an old codger again, but way back when, that guy would have been shown the door after his evaluations at Walter Reed. They sure as hell wouldn't allow him to counsel soldiers.

Are they that desperate to keep people?

Normally, an officer can just resign their commission. But, if the government paid for his schooling, he would have been under contract to stay in for X number of years.

Normally, an officer can just resign their commission. But, if the government paid for his schooling, he would have been under contract to stay in for X number of years.

I wasn't thinking in terms of he "can" resign his commission, why didn't they boot him? At bare minimum, bury him somewhere until his time was up.

He no doubt has a reserve commission and they can yank that anytime they want. During Vietnam, a number of officers got reduced to enlisted ranks when their services as officers were no longer required. I remember seeing several senior AF NCO's wearing senior pilot wings..... It was obvious they didn't get those as enlisted people and they were just waiting to retire. With Army and other branches, it's harder to tell who were once officers, but that was a dead giveaway.

But think about it, this moron is a psychiatrist, working around other, more experienced psychiatrists and no one noticed he was ding dong?????

I wasn't thinking in terms of he "can" resign his commission, why didn't they boot him? At bare minimum, bury him somewhere until his time was up.
It appears he had at least one poor evaluation and had also hired an attorney to evade deployment orders. I'm sure we'll find out lots more over the next week about him.


But think about it, this moron is a psychiatrist, working around other, more experienced psychiatrists and no one noticed he was ding dong?????
I said the same thing to someone else right before I said how good some people are at showing a calm exterior while having a volatile interior. Maybe he was one of those guys. In their line of work, they spend enough time helping the soldiers returning from combat that they may not have noticed if he was "odd". And hell, who doesn't have someone "odd" that they work with??

But think about it, this moron is a psychiatrist, working around other, more experienced psychiatrists and no one noticed he was ding dong?????

That's the problem, the doctors he worked around at Ft. Hood said he was compassionate and gave quality care to his patients. However, when he took his internship at Walter Reed he had difficulties that required counseling but due to privacy rights details of problems prevented disclosure.

LE officials detected 6 months ago that he was posting past suicide and related bombing incidents over the internet; and fellow officers said he argued with those who supported the war.

I listened to a former NYC Asst. DA over the car radio this morning who helped in prosecuting the first WTC bombing...He said that radical Muslims had and were still infiltrating our military.

IMO, this is a tragedy that never should have happened.

Well I, for one, am certainly glad those "No Concealed Weapons Laws" work so well...

So close to Luby's, too. :skep:

That's the problem, the doctors he worked around at Ft. Hood said he was compassionate and gave quality care to his patients. However, when he took his internship at Walter Reed he had difficulties that required counseling but due to privacy rights details of problems prevented disclosure.

LE officials detected 6 months ago that he was posting past suicide and related bombing incidents over the internet; and fellow officers said he argued with those who supported the war.

I listened to a former NYC Asst. DA over the car radio this morning who helped in prosecuting the first WTC bombing...He said that radical Muslims had and were still infiltrating our military.

IMO, this is a tragedy that never should have happened.

Everything you posted after the first sentence contradicted it. Sounds to me like there were plenty of signs he was a loose cannon.

Everything you posted after the first sentence contradicted it. Sounds to me like there were plenty of signs he was a loose cannon.

Sorry Bro...I just report the news, I don't make the news. :rolleyes5:

Sorry Bro...I just report the news, I don't make the news. :rolleyes5:

I know. I just can't figure out how they let some guy, especially a major stick around. I wonder if they thought they needed to have more muslims to fill some sort of goofy quota?

They don't do psych evaluations on people before they send them off to medical school?

...He said that radical Muslims had and were still infiltrating our military.



See, right there is exactly what went through my mind when I heard the shooters last name! Sorry...just being blatant here.

Yes, the UCMJ allows for death on capital murder offenses. However, TX has a long-standing tradition of doing well at capital punishment (vice letting offenders sit on death row for decades), and I'm more inclined to letting the state settle this matter if the base has concurrent jurisdiction.

Personally, I think execution would be too quick and "humane".

Apparently, ABC is reporting the shooter is paralyzed.

Good. In that case, I hope he gets to spend the next 50 years unable to move any extremities, having to be spoon fed, get his chin wiped and having to sh*t into a plastic bag.

Now that is prison.

Personally, I think execution would be too quick and "humane".

Apparently, ABC is reporting the shooter is paralyzed.

Good. In that case, I hope he gets to spend the next 50 years unable to move any extremities, having to be spoon fed, get his chin wiped and having to sh*t into a plastic bag.

Now that is prison.

I'm torn:

Save the taxpayers a long prison stay and the tax $ that go with it

OR

Make him a Martyr for Jihad?

Someone should make that into a Poll, I just don't know how.:wink:

Ehhhh, probably Moot because the Media will invent... already has... this 2nd Generation PTSD and we all know that if they repeat it enough it will become fact.

There's no indication as of yet that he was part of a jihad, a member of a terrorist cell, or anything else besides a lunatic with a couple pistols.

They should have a public trial, public sentencing if/when found guilty and public execution if/when sentenced to death. Keep putting the info out that he's being tried for killing other people and not for his religion. If it's repeated enough, it will become fact. ;)

Personally, I think execution would be too quick and "humane".

Apparently, ABC is reporting the shooter is paralyzed.

Good. In that case, I hope he gets to spend the next 50 years unable to move any extremities, having to be spoon fed, get his chin wiped and having to sh*t into a plastic bag.

Now that is prison.

I was thinking along the lines of a daily Pig-Chum bath followed by a conjugal visit from Daddy Bull Queen and then the next 50 years eating radioactive crabs and coconuts on Bikini Island.

Based on what I've read so far, I wonder why the hell the Army allowed this guy to stay, much less decide to deploy him to a combat zone?

1. Political correctness has infiltrated our military and has eroded our culture, decreased our effectiveness, and has allowed inferior leadership to set and enforce policy.

This guy CLEARLY indicated his loyalty was NOT to the nation, or the Army, but to ISLAM. Yet any mention of concern would be borne out as discrimination due to political correctness and the ill conceived notion that "diversity" is an ASSET rather than the liability it truely is, in an organization that thrives on COHESION.

I can, and probably will in the future, right a freaking book on how the fighting culture and capabilities of our military is negatively effected by some naive notion of forced and pretentious "equality". Hell, the damn chief of staff of the Army, the big guy, the man in charge, was pitching some political correct B.S. like "...we are concerned that this will injure diversity in the Army." WTF!? How about doing a better job of identifying moslems who make claims that they are more loyal to "islam" than the constitution of the united states, that they swore an oath to uphold and defend by the way?

Political correctness kills...

2. POOR LEADERSHIP and a desire to "maintain the numbers" has lead to a decrease in QUALITY soldiers filling the ranks. It's easy to be a bridge builder and use shoddy materials when YOU won't have to drive over the damn thing and YOU won't be held accountable when it crashes. That's basically what has happened over the past 8 years, as quality standards for enlistment have been lowered.

The same thing applies on the officer side of the house.

There are leaders that KNEW this guy was a turd and should NOT have been allowed to be in service, however, they FAILED to maintain the performance and quality standard that soldiers expect and deserve, and as a result, this guy got the opportunity to get his jihad on against a group of innocent unarmed individuals.

Very islamic of him.

1. Political correctness has infiltrated our military and has eroded our culture, decreased our effectiveness, and has allowed inferior leadership to set and enforce policy.



Yep. That was my theory. People were afraid to confront him on his views because they were scared of the repercussions. I saw it in my police depart from the early 80's on. We have totally incompetent people in important positions solely based on their race and/or gender. More on race than gender, but does play a role now and then.

There's no indication as of yet that he was part of a jihad, a member of a terrorist cell, or anything else besides a lunatic with a couple pistols.



No disagreement with that. I still bet that he was a lunatic that they let slide because he was muslim even under evidence that he was nuts and potentially dangerous.

Maybe the USMC wouldn't be so PC, but the Army would.