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I am a 19 year old college student(Brooklyn College) interested in joining corrections and have a few questions. I'm going to take the walk in exam this Friday, but I'm scared I'll be forgotten about since I have 2 years to go before I'm 21. How do they handle applicants a couple of years in advance? I'm fairly confident that I will get between a 95-100 since I've taken 4-5 practice test and have scored 100's on most of them. Another question if how is the process for a CO obtaining a legal firearm? Are they issued a standard pistol? If so what is the standard issued firearm? Anyone that's been through the academy what can I expect when I get there? How many questions is the written psyche test? Thanks for any response and sorry for so many questions I just couldn't find a lot of informations on DOC. Most information I found was related to the NYPD and I'm not sure if they are identical in process or not. One last question which is kind of silly, but why do CO's and PO's hate each other? Also whats an LEO? THANK YOU again.

This site is not very "NYCDOC friendly" some of the guys (from what Ive gathered) that are a major part of this site are NYPD officers, and for some reason all the NYPD guys on this site bash Corrections. They honestly dont even recognize them as officers but gaurds...they didnt get the memo. There are other sites that are very NYCDOC friendly and it would be best to do alittle more research.

goodluck with everything.

This site is not very "NYCDOC friendly"
I guess somebody has not been here enough to understand this place. We like everyone here. It is friendly to all!


some of the guys (from what Ive gathered) that are a major part of this site are NYPD officers,
And many are not.


and for some reason all the NYPD guys on this site bash Corrections.
Not true. There is no bashing here of "Corrections" in general. There is bashing of NYC Correction Officers who are "peace officers" (not police officers), portraying the job as a police job. NYC Corrections are not the police. We have a few NYC Corrections Officers on here who have been welcomed with open arms and are well liked and have shared the same view. (and they are seasoned officers with years of service).


They honestly dont even recognize them as officers but gaurds...they didnt get the memo.
There is no memo. They are Correction OFFICERS, but in NYS CO's are not the police. The only memo is NYS law: NYC Correction Officers are peace officers, not police. There is a huge difference in NYC. A CO's job is based on the institutions goal: corrections....aka reform the perp into a productful member of society. No 911 jobs, no enforcing legal regulations, no writing summonses, no writing criminal complaints, no gathering evidence, no testifying in court, etc....


There are other sites that are very NYCDOC friendly and it would be best to do alittle more research.
Maybe with your crack knowledge and attitude you can go there, becuase so far you advice to this canidate is not worth a nickel.

well noone really helped the guy...his post has been there since February, and from my experience on this site its great for anyone trying to become an NYPD police officer in NYC, but when ever I mentioned NYCDOC I didnt get any good advice, I got "DOC in NYC is a perp deopartment" and "most of the gaurds in there are criminals themselves" and I've seen "why dont you start your own thread"

We have had convos about the whole police issue and I understand that technically CO's dont have police officer status...but I still havent gotten an answer as to WHATS THE DIFFERANCE. See because CO's can arrest people and charge them with a crime. Co's even book inmates that break the LAW within the jail system...they do ENFORCE THE LAW. just not on the street. Not trying to get anyone angry...Im just saying...I understand the NYPD has done everything to try and seperate itself from the jail system in NY. The truth of the matter is they wear the SAME uniform, go through the SAME process and have all the same powers except for making "warrant arrests" which regular uniform police really dont even do.

Just from your comment about my "attitude being fit for the DOC" shows you have a very negative outlook on the department, that and just knowing that your the best officer for information on here except when it comes to DOC...you lead the lynch mob.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I gotta ask? Why is it, just about every one of your posts is confontational?

I wouldn't say that the site is unfriendly to CO's or anyone else for that matter. It is geared to/for the POLICE, those who patrol our streets and cities and those who investigate present and past criminal activity. It is not geared toward those in corrections who are tasked with the detention of those arrested by the POLICE (local LE) or Special Agents of the Federal Government or incarcerated by the courts after trial.

As I have stated elsewhere, Corrections is a tough job and things can get ugly and out of hand quickly. But, the prison environment for the most part is a CONTROLLED one. The police don't have that luxury.

well noone really helped the guy...
Because 99% of the canidates here are trying to get POLICE jobs, in a police car answering 911 calls, etc....


his post has been there since February, and from my experience on this site its great for anyone trying to become an NYPD police officer in NYC, but when ever I mentioned NYCDOC I didnt get any good advice, I got "DOC in NYC is a perp deopartment" and "most of the gaurds in there are criminals themselves" and I've seen "why dont you start your own thread"
Because NYPD cops deal with NYC Corrections Officers frequently. You don't. In those interactions, a lot can be learned. Typically, when a canidate is rejected by the NYPD, they apply to the NYCDOC and get hired. When he NYCDOC hire somebody who was DQ'd from being a police officer with the NYPD (becuase of their past arrest, summonses, drug use, etc...), they are hiring a perp. Additionally, many of these folks I have dealt with (not all, but the majority), at MCCB, gave more courtesy to the perps in the cells than cops dropping them off. That is why they get the bad wrap, and rightfully so. If you can't control your own, then the whole agency gets a bad wrap.


We have had convos about the whole police issue and I understand that technically CO's dont have police officer status...but I still havent gotten an answer as to WHATS THE DIFFERANCE.
It is not "technically." It is the law and it is not bendable. Do your own research or search here as it has been covered. There are HUGE differences between the two. How about we start with Peace Officer certification by the NYS Dept. of CJ, who requires 80 hours of training to be certfied, compared to the 720 for police officers. Powers of arrest are different, powers to get warrants is different, off-duty authority is different, etc....


See because CO's can arrest people and charge them with a crime. Co's even book inmates that break the LAW within the jail system...they do ENFORCE THE LAW. just not on the street. Not trying to get anyone angry...Im just saying...
CO's do not make arrests outside the jail unless they are off duty and in a serious situation and even then, I assure your, 99% are just holding the perp for a cop on duty to make the arrest. CO's arresting a perp in the jail is by no means the same as a street cop rolling up on a street brawl and making an arrest. Most of a cops day is enforcing laws (writing summons, arrests, investigating). Most of a NYC CO's day is standing and watching compliant perps in a confined area. How many arrests you think a NYC CO makes in a career?



I understand the NYPD has done everything to try and seperate itself from the jail system in NY.
It is not a matter of trying to seperate themselves, it is TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS with TWO DIFFERENT JOBS!



The truth of the matter is they wear the SAME uniform,
WRONG! They may be the same color, but they are different. The badge is different. The patches are different, the pants are different, the gun belt is different, etc....


go through the SAME process
WRONG! The written test is different, the psychological is different, the medical exam has different standards, and the background is is 100% different, teh academy is different and the training is different!


and have all the same powers except for making "warrant arrests" which regular uniform police really dont even do.
You need some serious help with the NYS Criminal Procedural Law. I can't say this any other way but that you have no clue what you are talking about.


Just from your comment about my "attitude being fit for the DOC" shows you have a very negative outlook on the department, that and just knowing that your the best officer for information on here except when it comes to DOC...you lead the lynch mob.
Lets get a few facts straight:
1) I NEVER SAID YOU AND YOUR ATTITUDE WERE FIT FOR DOC.
2) I do not have a negative outlook on the agency. I have a negative attitude for the perp CO's who make themself, others CO's and the agency look bad.
3) Thank you for the ompliment about being the best at getting informaion here. ButI am far from the best. Just one of many on here with some experience. I have been doing this stuff for 12 years.
4) I lead nobody. I am the lone ranger.

Just for the record, I have had a former NYPD Officer answer a bunch of questions for me about NYCDOC and he spoke highly of the ones who knew what their job was.

my post was NOT confrontational...I was helping the guy who asked a question from february. he wants information for a specific agency that isnt actually covered here...there are other places he can go for that information. Weather it be because of your personal confrontation with CO's or past dealings its still my experience here. (BTW referring to past altercations and confrontations to handle something is called "profiling" and its actually against the policies of the NYPD and almost all law enforcement agencies). Like you said people here are going for POLICE jobs...lol...so it would be best for him to get his information somewhere else? no? im confused?

This site is great for Police, like Joeyd also mentioned. You guys have given me excellent input on the process for NYPD, but if I want an oil change , I go to my mechanic...and hearing about all the bad apples and "perps" in the NYCDOC is not going to give me information on the next academy or the application process.

Why am I so hated here?

BTW -- CO's dont enforce the Law out on the street -- they enforce the law inside jail. They have a strict re-arrest policy in rikers island. That being said I just feel that all of you guys are working toward enforcing and maintaining the same laws...and it would be nice to see alittle more unity...there are bad apples and "perps" that slip through the cracks EVERYWHERE including the NYPD. Think of the element you deal with in jail if MORE people slip through the cracks because of that you gotta understand that it might had been hard to get people to want to do that job. The NYPD had alot of people slipping through when the starting pay was 25k, if you think that IS'NT true then you are fooling yourself, even now the application process is an administrative one, your not going through "extensive or exhaustive " backround for NYPD ...your just not.

I think that now that the NYPD and DOC both got SIGNIFICANT raises (in the 70's and 40's to start) we will see a better backround and tougher app process.

sorry if I offended anyone, I respect anyone who serves my city.

(BTW referring to past altercations and confrontations to handle something is called "profiling"

I don't know where you are getting your infomration from, but it is not profiling. It is called "officer knowledge and experience." Just because you go to a horse race, does not make you a jockey. As just does getting a degree in CJ does not make you smart enough to talk legal and police terms.


and its actually against the policies of the NYPD and almost all law enforcement agencies).
Profiling is NOT against the law nor against the policy of the NYPD or most LE Agencies. Profiling is used every day. Again, your taking that CJ degree and incorrectly applying it.

You are not hated here. You are thought of as somebody who speask without knowledge. Your "textbook" thinking and logic is similar of that in a liberal arts college freshman. You think you know about this field and speak like such trying to present fact, but your words are continually filled with mis-information (aka- "same uniform" or "technically" or "your comment" etc.....) that is not only ridiculous sounding, but wrong.

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"and its actually against the policies of the NYPD and almost all law enforcement agencies). "

Dear MrClutch,

Can you please tell us where or who you get your info from? I can personally attest to the fact that I received ...what you call "Profiling" training, while in the NYPD, in Westchester County along with others from my command and other NY agencys. That is a FACT!

racial profiling is a big problem within law enforcement agencies...this is not a personal attack and Im not saying "you guys" but in general the DOC is looked down on by alot of PD officers in NY more then other agencies because they do hire alot of minorities. Ive been to BBQ's on Rikers the officers that I have met and know are not the officers that you describe...I dont know any "perps" that work there...the ones I know are GREAT officers, that do the job they are supposed to do...OF COURSE Im sure that there are people there that shouldnt be...but MY stance on that is; that is in EVERY department...

you guys have alot of knowledge you know more then me when it comes to all these things about the police...but your DEFINATELY biased toward the DOC...read the things youve written...every single time someone does something wrong in the DOC they are crushed much more then anyone in any other agency. Im not on, nor do I understand your level of experience...you guys have been on the street and have seen things...Im not even a CO yet, or a PO...Im held up with both departments because of the budget unfortunately. I respect the hell out of all of you for even coming on this site and helping out...you dont get paid to do it, and Im sure your experience with CO's at some point must have been bad for you to have a negative feeling about them.

that brings me to what I meant about "profiling" if you conjure up feelings about "groups" that can be dangerous when out on the street or working in jail...

if experience with CO's is "x" so feelings are "y"

then whats not to say

if experience with blacks are "x" so feelings are "y"

this is logic...and it might be college logic ...but it is actually college MATH and it works in any equation. As an officer isnt it someones duty to make sure they do not take things personal and judge each situation within itself? again everyone is human and everyone has bad days taken into consideration.

thank you for responding to my posts.

Hmmm, well I have to thank everyone for the my afternoon reading entertainment here, much appreicated.

But seriously, I seen the worst in the NYPD, theres bad apples that sneak through all the time, a scroll through recent news can confirm that. I actually see the NYPD as a better position than CO, but it should be noted that the mental depressive toll that being a CO's take is not easy. A confined claustrophic enviornment is not easy, regardless of what side of the bars you stand by.

I have worked with CO's as a loss prevention specialist, and they were good people, especially one, he was a very kind hearted person, and I knew he would talk positive to the criminals to enlighten them to a better life. I do meet CO's that are rude, and want it there way, since they are used to being the "boss" in those 30 to 40hours a week of their lives, but thats no different than a cop. Just because a cop has more power outside in the city doesnt mean its ok to carry that sense of domination of wills in their off duty time, reason I mention this, is because these are the common arguements between both departments.

CO's are in a confined enviornment, completely outnumbered, with the people the cops easily outnumbered with backup, and have to enforce civility on these people. Many of these people are sick, others have life terms with no desire to continue living, and do not care of the consequences of their actions within the prison system, with just as much restrictions as to how to enforce their authority as a police officer under surviellance. Its a huge melting pot of the worst a city can create. For these men and women to head for work and face this confined walled enviornment with the worst of human society is by far no mean feat, and goes farther then just titling them as guards. You can arrest someone for throwing urine in your face or threatening you and your family, but CO has to deal with the same factors, and then go right back to that same situation the very next day, they wont go away. And to say that a few bad co's leaves a big negative status to many, is no different than saying any body or organisation, culture, race, religion is bad, and I would hope that law enforcers do not have such single mindedness.

Personally, I prefer Police as my top choice, and I will be taking the test for CO. But my priority is the NYPD, so my perspective is a little more different than a diehard CO hopefull.

Yes, CO's have a hard job. I'd never want to be one though. As they say, it's doing Life in Prison, 8 hours at a time. They'll spend more time with felony syspects than NYPD Officers will ever, for obvious reasons; human zoo-keepers. Not that Police aren't, just in a different way.

That being said, and I know this thread is old. It's obvious you're not going to get help here, as this is more of a street police website. There are probably some Correctional boards similar to this. Just look hard enough. Maybe call them up yourself and ask some practical questions. You can google the website for more information.

Recruitment information number:
(877) 691-2653

Former C.O and P.O states the following....

After reading this thread im ashamed of both Police and Correction officers Kid try and find a job w/o a badge and a gun with good hours 9-5 with weekends and holidays off. YOU WILL BE HAPPIER THAN ANY COP OR C.O. IN THE CITY

Former C.O and P.O states the following....

After reading this thread im ashamed of both Police and Correction officers Kid try and find a job w/o a badge and a gun with good hours 9-5 with weekends and holidays off. YOU WILL BE HAPPIER THAN ANY COP OR C.O. IN THE CITY

Welcome to our forum. We do engage in basic rules of etiquette here meaning your first post should probably be in the new member introductions. Second, we let sleeping dogs lay. The last post here was in April of 2009, and months later, you post something. Please don't try to wake the dead. Third, you are claiming to be a LEO. You need to get verified. PM myself or ROS for such. Fourth, your user name indicates you are a LEO. We do not allow such unless you are verified according to our Terms of Service. Therefore you need to get verified. You have 48 hours to PM ROS or myself with your info. Otherwise your user-name will be removed.

Thanks!