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As long as you can do your job and you do not sexually accost me, I could care less who/what you are attracted to.

I agree. All these people are soooo offended by the fact that there might be a gay person in the military. If it bothers you that much then maybe you should take stock in yourself as you appear to be a closet case that might actually be gay yourself and are in fear of it coming out. I've worked with numberous gay people and still do, infact one of my partner firearms instructors is, and I've never had a problem from them. It's absolutly stupid that the government even distinguish... I don't ever recall having to answer that I DO love women when I signed up... It's not any more reasonable for someone to have to say they don't. Let alone and focus on the B.S. we have to dealwith already.

As long as you can do your job and you do not sexually accost me, I could care less who/what you are attracted to.

Same here. We have gay guys and lesbians at work and none have caused any problem other than sometimes they get away with things straight people can't. But that's because our administration has no cajones and is afraid of discrimination lawsuits. But it hasn't hampered their ability to do their job as far as I've seen.

I view your sexual orientation like your religion. I'm glad you have one, but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't tell me about it.

Besides, I think I'm a lesbian in a man's body.

I view your sexual orientation like your religion. I'm glad you have one, but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't tell me about it.

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I'll also add "don't show me" :) :D

It's about time. Like everyone else said, if you can do the job and keep everything else to your self then there's no problem.

I don't think the average service member is going to give a rip. They usually know who is gay anyway regardless of the policy and they don't care. There were plenty of same sex service members at the strip clubs in Guam and nobody seemed to care.

Uh, yeah, I heard from a friend they were there. I would never watch women degrade themselves like that......really. :o

I view your sexual orientation like your religion. I'm glad you have one, but I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't tell me about it.



Isn't that the same thing as don't ask, don't tell? :confused:

Ok... the thing is, it is not the sexual orientation of a guy that bothers me. What will be donw with housing? I have the self-control to not mess around with women, but who would say that it is ok for me to share billeting with women? Is it any different for a gay man, sharing billeting with me?

Ok... the thing is, it is not the sexual orientation of a guy that bothers me. What will be donw with housing? I have the self-control to not mess around with women, but who would say that it is ok for me to share billeting with women? Is it any different for a gay man, sharing billeting with me?

I'm currently AD Army and will be until 2013 don't know if I will continue on to finish the other 10 years. Either way I will let you know what comes of your input/question Switchback in the Army. I to would like to see how the billeting is going to work out.

Ok... the thing is, it is not the sexual orientation of a guy that bothers me. What will be donw with housing? I have the self-control to not mess around with women, but who would say that it is ok for me to share billeting with women? Is it any different for a gay man, sharing billeting with me?

I doubt your virginity would be threatened. ;) I don't think the average gay guy is going to seriously hit on anyone who they know is straight no matter where they are billeted. That would be like you hitting on a woman you know to be a lesbian.

More or less the same issues were raised when the city refused to provide gay and straight restrooms. It turned out just fine....

That would be like you hitting on a woman you know to be a lesbian.


I'm suppose to quit doing that? I just always saw it as a challenge. ;)

I'm suppose to quit doing that? I just always saw it as a challenge. ;)

Every man's fantasy, turn a lesbian around......:D

Seriously, if a couple of gay guys started playing slap and tickle in the barracks, the commanders would have to deal with that. Probably by transfering one or the other. That would have to be dealt with.....

I doubt your virginity would be threatened. ;) I don't think the average gay guy is going to seriously hit on anyone who they know is straight no matter where they are billeted. That would be like you hitting on a woman you know to be a lesbian.

More or less the same issues were raised when the city refused to provide gay and straight restrooms. It turned out just fine....

That's actually quite a silly response. As I said, I am confident that I could stay in a women's barracks without hitting on any of them, but NO ONE would ever entertain THAT! Having gay men in a men's barracks (or gay women in a women's barracks) is just as silly. It is no different.

I am not saying you need to be or have been in the military to understand, but this topic seems to fall very closely along the same lines of trying to make non-military types understand why "discussing" orders in the military is not as much an option as it is outside the military.

Having had to manage and arrange unit billeting back in the day (for both co-ed and all-men units), I can tell you that it would be a logistical nightmare... and logistics plays a huge role in military procedures.

There have always been, and always will be gays in the Military.

Yup.

But once you open that can of worms, you have to accomodate them.

Having had to manage and arrange unit billeting back in the day (for both co-ed and all-men units), I can tell you that it would be a logistical nightmare... and logistics plays a huge role in military procedures.

They would have to be billeted the same as now. It's ridiculous to try to separate straights and gays. If there is a problem, that particular situation will have to be addressed. As I said about police locker rooms and latrines, people predicted all sorts of problems with gays and lesbians. None happened.

As Norm so wisely put it, there have always been gays in the military. The military deals with fraternization problems between men and women, they'll have to do the same with gays.

The military has lost a lot of good people because of that goofy policy.

Yup.

But once you open that can of worms, you have to accomodate them.

Accomodate them how? Gays are serving openly in the Israeli Military and there have not been any problems.

Accomodate them how? Gays are serving openly in the Israeli Military and there have not been any problems.

As well as in Germany, Australia, Canada, U.K., Italy, Switzerland and pretty much every other western nation. They seem to have sorted out the logistics of billeting.

IMO, the main reason we actually have “single” males and females separated in barracks and showers/bathrooms is due to an old-fashioned morality that probably has its roots in Puritan thinking. The Puritans just knew that allowing males and females to freely intermix would result in sinful sexual activity (I guess those Puritans were a randy bunch of folks :p ). No one has thought to change that concept because it’s the way we’ve always done it. So we still have separate showers and living quarters for males and females.

Since we are re-writing most of the old-fashioned morality, why keep that concept? I’d say it’s because we as a society are not ready for scenes as seen in Starship Troopers where it depicts male and female soldiers cohabiting with communal barracks and using coed showers. Deep down inside, we know there’d be conduct resulting from that which may cause behavior issues and thus, cause problems within the organization in question.

So if we continue to embrace the separate housing concept and are going to let gays openly serve and , I guess it would make sense to house the homosexual males with the straight females, and likewise house lesbians with the straight males. That’d keep the sexual hanky-panky to a minimum and we could stay true to our out-dated morals. There! I just solved the problem. :D

Of course, I don’t have the foggiest idea what to do with bi-sexual and transgendered folks- maybe they could still just “not tell”. :p

Not to take this thread off topic, but I wonder how the military would deal with two homosexual service members (or sponsor & dependant) marrying under state law. Would they just not recognize it?

For two service members, "Dual-military couples", as the DoD terms it, are entitled to certain benefits, if available, such as same duty location and military quarters.

This will be a logistical nightmare.

Not to take this thread off topic, but I wonder how the military would deal with two homosexual service members (or sponsor & dependant) marrying under state law. Would they just not recognize it?

For two service members, "Dual-military couples", as the DoD terms it, are entitled to certain benefits, if available, such as same duty location and military quarters.

This will be a logistical nightmare.

Oh very good point. I don't think that the military would have a good solution for this one. I don't know if it would be more upset individuals or concerned individuals. I personally don't give a damn. But I'm sure that many don't share my same feeling.:confused:

I don't think the average service member is going to give a rip. They usually know who is gay anyway regardless of the policy and they don't care. There were plenty of same sex service members at the strip clubs in Guam and nobody seemed to care.

I spent 7 years in USAF and honestly couldn't tell you of a single person who I knew was gay and in the military.

Females going to strip clubs dosen't mean they are gay. I know several females who like to go to strip clubs with their guy. I also knew several female military members who would go because it was like 2 girls in the unit with 30+ guys and they didn't have anyone or anywhere else to hang out while the guys went to the strip clubs.

I have to admit that this one doesn't bother me that much.

I figure, with all the grief gays have to put up with, no one would be that way unless they had a really strong compulsion, and something they had no control over.

As long as they promise to not try and convert me, I'll promise the same. :D

I spent 7 years in USAF and honestly couldn't tell you of a single person who I knew was gay and in the military.

Females going to strip clubs dosen't mean they are gay. I know several females who like to go to strip clubs with their guy. I also knew several female military members who would go because it was like 2 girls in the unit with 30+ guys and they didn't have anyone or anywhere else to hang out while the guys went to the strip clubs.


The one in particular I recall, was one female who had more singles tied up in lap dances than she probably makes in two weeks. The guys were sitting back at the table drinking beer and watching the show. (so I heard).

I have to admit that this one doesn't bother me that much.

I figure, with all the grief gays have to put up with, no one would be that way unless they had a really strong compulsion, and something they had no control over.

As long as they promise to not try and convert me, I'll promise the same. :D
That's how I feel about it. Some of the most avid anti gay people I know have come out of the closet after getting caught. A couple have been local politicians.

I've often suspected that people who are so rabid against gays have a little latent problem they're trying to deal with.:rolleyes:

As a trans person myself, I think it would be very interesting to see what they did with us in the military.

But yeah, I was pretty happy when I heard they are getting rid of DADT, kind of a pointless policy if ya ask me.

I am not the type who feels a need to tell everyone, but if it comes up, whats the harm in talking about it?

I am not the type who feels a need to tell everyone, but if it comes up, whats the harm in talking about it?

I view peoples' sexual preference like their religion. I'm glad they have it, but they don't need to share it with me. :rolleyes: I'd prefer they keep both to themselves. Not that I care what either one is, I just don't care to hear about that facet of their lives.

Agreed, but if it comes up in a conversation - than it is fine to talk about. I don't bring it up, unless someones being an *** and than I want to pee in their cheerios ;)