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I've got a question for the Coast Guardsmen on here. Has anybody heard about a new law enforcement only rating in the USCG?

While surfing the web and looking at the Coast Guard section on a military website/forum I've seen talk of a new rating that only does le. Do any of you guys who are on a/d, in the reserves, or even out of the USCG know anything about this?

Hopefully Coastie or Chewy might know something about this.

I'd really appreciate any info thanks.

I've got a question for the Coast Guardsmen on here. Has anybody heard about a new law enforcement only rating in the USCG?

While surfing the web and looking at the Coast Guard section on a military website/forum I've seen talk of a new rating that only does le. Do any of you guys who are on a/d, in the reserves, or even out of the USCG know anything about this?

Hopefully Coastie or Chewy might know something about this.

I'd really appreciate any info thanks.

It's called the "Deployable Operations Group" or DOG.

They're advirtising for current Coasties only in the AFN commercials I've seen. Looks like an SRT-type unit. I'm sure they do more, but all it showed was the face-in-the-mud, door kickin' type stuff. ;)



"The Coast Guard's Deployable Operations Group will combine specially trained and equipped maritime homeland safety and security forces throughout the Coast Guard so they can be rapidly deployed in adaptive force packages anywhere and anytime they are needed to protect America and respond to a broad range of threats and hazards," said Adm. Thad W. Allen, commandant of the Coast Guard.

Deployable specialized forces are comprised of approximately 3,000 Coast Guard personnel from 12 Maritime Safety and Security Teams, the Maritime Security Response Team, two Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, eight Port Security Units, three National Strike Teams and the National Strike Force Coordination Center.

https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/786/164948/

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/aco/dog/

Thanks MP Steve. I've actually looked into D.O.G. and saw how they put alot of LE assests under one roof;

Deployable specialized forces are comprised of approximately 3,000 Coast Guard personnel from 12 Maritime Safety and Security Teams, the Maritime Security Response Team, two Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, eight Port Security Units, three National Strike Teams and the National Strike Force Coordination Center.
It sounds pretty cool.

The thing I heard about though was a specific rating for LE. The Army has the mos 31B, the Marines 5811, the Navy has the MA rating, and the Air Force has SF. There was discussion, I saw online, about the USCG creating a rating for LE only.

I can send you or anybody else a PM with a link to the big discussion I saw.

I don't have any info on it. I know they were talking about a LE rating even back when I was active but that's about as far as it ever went. I'd be interested in reading about it if you guys find any info on it.


The D.O.G. is not a special rating or anything, it just takes the currently existing deployable groups like LEDET's, the Strike Teams, and MSST's and puts them all under one chain of command so that when there's an oil spill or natural disaster or possible terrorist attack then all the equipment and orders, funding etc comes out of the same place and can get sent there as quick as possible.

Nah, its isn't the DOG. The commandant approves a LE rating a few months ago and the training criteria is now in the works. Basically instead of having MKs and BMs do collateral LE work there will be a group of a few members at every unit (Almost) doing all of the LE there. When not doing LE missions they will be training for LE/working out as opposed to playing with line (BMs) and fixing engines (MKs)

Not sure about and set dates concerning completion of the training reg.

Nah, its isn't the DOG. The commandant approves a LE rating a few months ago and the training criteria is now in the works. Basically instead of having MKs and BMs do collateral LE work there will be a group of a few members at every unit (Almost) doing all of the LE there. When not doing LE missions they will be training for LE/working out as opposed to playing with line (BMs) and fixing engines (MKs)

Not sure about and set dates concerning completion of the training reg.

From the AFN commercials I've seen and the story played on Around The Services, the Coast Guard personnel interviewed stated that DOG was to be the "law enforcement-specific" unit.

At least that's how it's being advertised.

Wow I feel pretty dumb I just Googled "coast guard only le rating" and a whole bunch of stuff came up. I was just going by what I was seeing in forums. Thanks for confirming it Coastie.

Chewy here's some reading on it for you;
http://www.uscg.mil/comdt/all_hands/message18.asp

All Hands Messages

Establishment of Law Enforcement and Security Rating

To the Men and Women of the Coast Guard:

I am pleased to announce that on 06 June 2008, I approved the establishment of a Coast Guard enlisted rating involving law enforcement and security (LE/S) duties.

And a video;
http://cgvi.uscg.mil/media/main.php?g2_itemId=321192

I couldn't play the video, but here's the description;
Pentagon-ATS-LE Rating

The Pentagon Channel airs a story about the Coast Guard's new law enforcement rating, July 7, 2008.

Coastie, in the All Hand's Message from the Commandant I didn't see anything about this rating being closed off to you have a certain amount of time in the USCG or anything, is this rating going to be available to people as soon as they join the USCG?

Also the message said this;

The time required to establish the new rating is approximately
24 months.
The message was written in June of this year, do you think it will be established on time? I'm in the class of 2010 and might be interested in doing this in the USCG, but it seems it won't be established until I graduate high school.

From the AFN commercials I've seen and the story played on Around The Services, the Coast Guard personnel interviewed stated that DOG was to be the "law enforcement-specific" unit.

At least that's how it's being advertised.

I've also read about DOG online and I think it's what Chewy said;

The D.O.G. is not a special rating or anything, it just takes the currently existing deployable groups like LEDET's, the Strike Teams, and MSST's and puts them all under one chain of command so that when there's an oil spill or natural disaster or possible terrorist attack then all the equipment and orders, funding etc comes out of the same place and can get sent there as quick as possible.


On the big LE only rating thread I was reading people were mentioning DOG and said it allowed people to do LE for their whole careers. What I'm talking about however is a rating that does only LE. The Army has the mos 31B and the USCG will now have a law enforcement/security rating (mos) as well.

From the AFN commercials I've seen and the story played on Around The Services, the Coast Guard personnel interviewed stated that DOG was to be the "law enforcement-specific" unit.

At least that's how it's being advertised.

In the CG there are units, and there are ratings.

A unit is a unit (Im sure you understand that) and a rating is another word for MOS.
A DOG will have BMs, MKs, etc. It will be made up PSUs, MSSTs, MSRTs. It stands for Deployment Oriented Group and will conduct LE missions.

SFB is asking about a LE rating (MOS). For instance, I am an MK3(E-4). I could conduct LE at about any CG unit. In the future (Next year or two) the CG will make a Rating (MOS, Job) that will ONLY do LE as opposed to having someone who is an engineer half of the day and a cop the other half.

Joe who is an MK works on engines, cleans boats and fixes things around base, but when we get a LE call, he throws on his gun belt and goes off to play police. With the LE rating, law enforcement will become less of a collateral duty and more of a specialty.

Any questions? :D

The message was written in June of this year, do you think it will be established on time? I'm in the class of 2010 and might be interested in doing this in the USCG, but it seems it won't be established until I graduate high school.

No, it is the CG, nothing is ever on time.

What they are going to do at first is accept rate transfers. Lets say Bob is a BM2, is certified 25 coxn, Boarding Team Member and Boarding Officer. They will probably allow Bob to transfer over to a LE2 or LE3. While they do that they will also be accepting people (E-3) to attend the LE "A" School. I have heard if you make LE3 it is basically like the BTM Course, the BO course and the BO advanced course all turned into an "A" School as opposed to a "C" School.

On a related note, military.com has announced that the CG is going to start sending people to SEAL school.

On a related note, military.com has announced that the CG is going to start sending people to SEAL school.

Heard that too...

If I recall correctly it is so we can provide support and basically not **** things up. :D

No, it is the CG, nothing is ever on time.

What they are going to do at first is accept rate transfers. Lets say Bob is a BM2, is certified 25 coxn, Boarding Team Member and Boarding Officer. They will probably allow Bob to transfer over to a LE2 or LE3. While they do that they will also be accepting people (E-3) to attend the LE "A" School. I have heard if you make LE3 it is basically like the BTM Course, the BO course and the BO advanced course all turned into an "A" School as opposed to a "C" School.

What would you be doing until you made E-3? Coastie are you thinking about doing that or would you stay an MK?

Heard that too...

If I recall correctly it is so we can provide support and basically not **** things up. :D

The way I read it is that Coast Guardsmen will be attached to the Navy and serve as SEALS like any other SEAL.

http://www.uscg.mil/announcements/alcoast/ALCOAST36708.txt

4. SEAL TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL TOUR. THE SEAL TRAINING PROGRAM
INCLUDES BASIC UNDERWATER DEMOLITIONS/SEAL AND SEAL QUALIFICATION
TRAINING THAT WILL LAST 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. UPON TRAINING
COMPLETION, SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES WILL BE DESIGNATED AS A SEAL AND
ASSIGNED TO A SEAL TEAM. PERSONNEL WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE SEAL
TRAINING CAN EXPECT TO BE ASSIGNED TO NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE FOR A
TOTAL OF FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THREE TO FIVE
OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS.

I was reading a special operations forum and they had a nine page discussion about this.

Your kidding? About the SEAL school....

Your kidding? About the SEAL school....

It looks pretty legit.
Check out this link;
http://www.uscg.mil/announcements/alcoast/ALCOAST36708.txt

Hockey I'll send you a PM with discussion a special operations forum had about it.

Your kidding? About the SEAL school....

Hockey, the Armed Forces cross train all the time. Army has gone to SEAL school, Navy has gone to Delta, etc, etc.

This is nothing new.

ETA:

When I was in the hospital after I had my knee rebuilt, My Doc was a Coastie and there were a bunch of Navy medics working there. This was at Ft Benning.

Hockey, the Armed Forces cross train all the time. Army has gone to SEAL school, Navy has gone to Delta, etc, etc.

This is nothing new.

Norm I think the Coast Guardsmen will be doing more than training;

SEAL TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL TOUR. THE SEAL TRAINING PROGRAM
INCLUDES BASIC UNDERWATER DEMOLITIONS/SEAL AND SEAL QUALIFICATION
TRAINING THAT WILL LAST 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. UPON TRAINING
COMPLETION, SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES WILL BE DESIGNATED AS A SEAL AND
ASSIGNED TO A SEAL TEAM. PERSONNEL WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE SEAL
TRAINING CAN EXPECT TO BE ASSIGNED TO NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE FOR A
TOTAL OF FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THREE TO FIVE
OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS.

It looks like these guys will serve as full time SEALS for 5-7 years.

Norm I think the Coast Guardsmen will be doing more than training;


It looks like these guys will serve as full time SEALS for 5-7 years.

Twernt my point yungun. ;)

When I was active duty, I served with members from all branches. There are members of all brances serving in other branches.

Yeah I wouldn't make it a day in SEAL school....

Twernt my point yungun. ;)

When I was active duty, I served with members from all branches. There are members of all brances serving in other branches.

I always thought that to serve with the SEALs you had to be Navy. I thought all branches could go to each others schools but SEALs were only Navy, Recon only Marines/Navy (corpsmen) etc... I guess you learn something new everyday. Thanks Norm.

And if anyone's interested here's a video I found about the CG and the SEALs;
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What would you be doing until you made E-3? Coastie are you thinking about doing that or would you stay an MK?

Well, you can make E-3 6 months out of boot if you work for it. You will then "put in" for "A" School, sign up for it. You then will wait till you get into "A" School. More than likely before you get into LE "A" School you will just be a non-rate at a unit. Will be painting, cleaning, doing dishes. As a non-rate you will also get boat qualified, but there is no special kind of "Well, you are going LE so we will train you in LE before your "A" School".

I will switch over to the LE rating if I stay enlisted. I an comsidering the CSPI program. Basically CG will demote me to E-3 but pay me active duty, BAH, BAS and pay for all of my Junior/Senior year of college, pay for books, lab fees, supplies.

I will work two days a month while in school (Either at recruiter office, or my current unit, depends on what I want to do) and during the summer I will be attached to a unit somewhere in the US. After I graduate I get a slot in OCS and then owe them three years as an officer. With the new LE rating coming about I will have a good chance at leading a LE group.

And no Hockey, they are not kidding about the SEAL school.

I had SEAL members in a couple of the C schools I went through and when I was assigned to the task force we trained with SEAL Team 4 prior to going to South America... That was a friggin blast although I agree with Hockey, even back then our little bit of training was super hard and I don't think I ever would have made it through something like BUDs.

I had SEAL members in a couple of the C schools I went through and when I was assigned to the task force we trained with SEAL Team 4 prior to going to South America... That was a friggin blast although I agree with Hockey, even back then our little bit of training was super hard and I don't think I ever would have made it through something like BUDs.

Chewy did you go to South America or did the SEALs, or did you guys go together? Training with the SEALs must be intense. I have nothing but utmost respect for all of those special operations guys.

I think my dad said he went to parachute rigging school with a couple SEALs, he said the SEALs he came across during his time in the Marines were all pretty cool guys.

Chewy did you go to South America or did the SEALs, or did you guys go together? Training with the SEALs must be intense. I have nothing but utmost respect for all of those special operations guys.

I think my dad said he went to parachute rigging school with a couple SEALs, he said the SEALs he came across during his time in the Marines were all pretty cool guys.

We both did along with about twenty other lettered agency people (DEA, CIA, USSD etc). It was a LOT of fun, of course we did mostly jungle survival and warfare kind of stuff, weapons training, helo insert and exfil. We didn't do the whole run till you puke or carry this telephone poll just because training :D

We both did along with about twenty other lettered agency people (DEA, CIA, USSD etc). It was a LOT of fun, of course we did mostly jungle survival and warfare kind of stuff, weapons training, helo insert and exfil. We didn't do the whole run till you puke or carry this telephone poll just because training :D

That's pretty cool. I'd like to be able to do stuff like that in the service.

I'd be interested to find out if the coast guard's personnel attached as SEALs will be getting the same incentive, bonus and duty pay that the Navy's own guys are eligible for.

Is this program being funded by the Coast Guard or Navy?

I'd be interested to find out if the coast guard's personnel attached as SEALs will be getting the same incentive, bonus and duty pay that the Navy's own guys are eligible for.

Is this program being funded by the Coast Guard or Navy?

I doubt it. I'm not informed on the subject but based on past practice I'd have to say it's funded by the CG and just run by the Navy.

I doubt it. I'm not informed on the subject but based on past practice I'd have to say it's funded by the CG and just run by the Navy.

I can confirm this.

There may be an added incentive but that will be supplied by the CG, not the navy.

The USCG will select 5 men under the age of 29 every fiscal year.

The USCG will select 5 men under the age of 29 every fiscal year.

Are they expecting all five to successfully complete BUDs/SEAL training? :confused:

Last time I checked, the dropout rate was 85%. :eek:

So they only expect 1 out of the 5 to actually become SEALs? :rolleyes:

Are they expecting all five to successfully complete BUDs/SEAL training? :confused:

Last time I checked, the dropout rate was 85%. :eek:

So they only expect 1 out of the 5 to actually become SEALs? :rolleyes:

The message was worded like this.

THE USCG will select 5 males below the age of 29 each fiscal year. Upon completion of BUD/s these members will be attached to a SEAL unit for five to seven years.

I assume the CG expects everyone they send there to sucesfully complete it. I am not sure of this but I would assume we will probably send people from MSRTs, LEDETS, and other special units.

Yeah I wouldn't make it a day in SEAL school....

Me neither. When I was in OCS, the airborne school was trying to recruit some of us. They took us to a demonstation and about 20 or so guys jumped from a plane.

One guy's chute didn't open and for whatever reason, he never opened his reserve. Obviously, he beat the others to the ground by quite a bit. The instructor kinda choked and said, "Oh, don't worry, he'll be fine" as the ambulance loaded him up. No one said a thing, but I'm sure our minds all went "Yeah, right" at the same time.

As far as I know, not one member of my class went to airborne school after graduation.

The message was worded like this.

THE USCG will select 5 males below the age of 29 each fiscal year. Upon completion of BUD/s these members will be attached to a SEAL unit for five to seven years.

I assume the CG expects everyone they send there to sucesfully complete it. I am not sure of this but I would assume we will probably send people from MSRTs, LEDETS, and other special units.

Probably what they'll do is send 5 then if some washout then send more to fill those spots so all together they'll have 5 operational members.

And I doubt they'll come from LEDET's, TACLET's or MSST's... probably more like MSO's and ATON units! :D

And I doubt they'll come from LEDET's, TACLET's or MSST's... probably more like MSO's and ATON units! :D

If that is the case, then Steve is correct, the CG will expect maybe one out of five to pass! :D

EDIT: Just found out the dropout rate for SEAL school is a little over 50%.