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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008
Updated: April 11th, 2008 12:14 PM EDT

Story by wftv.com

OVIEDO, Fla. --

Only Channel 9 spoke with a police officer who's been suspended from the force because of what he posted on the Internet. The Oviedo Police Department took away the officer's gun and badge when he claimed online to be a "super-trained killer ninja fighter." It's a statement the officer admits was a joke, but the department didn't find it funny.

The controversial statement was found on Officer Justin Varkony's MySpace page. It stated that he was a "supertrained killer ninja fighter of the night who has not had a chance to use this special skill yet."

The man investigating the case is taking it seriously.

"It was brought to the chief of police, yes," said Lt. Dennis Lynch, Oviedo Police Department.

Oviedo police acted swiftly and put Varkony on administrative duty. Eyewitness News found him at his Seminole County apartment on Thursday.

"If I could go back to whenever I wrote that, I would take it off. It was a joke, that's all," Varkony told Eyewitness News.

The Oviedo Police Department said it is a matter of public safety and that if one of its officers truly believes he is a "super trained ninja fighter who has not used his special skills yet," it is a cause of concern.

Making things worse, Eyewitness News uncovered 22 other complaints, including one case where Varkony admitted putting notches on his Taser every time it was used. He received 84 hours of unpaid leave.

Like the "killer ninja" comment, the 28-year-old said it was a lapse in judgment.

"The majority cleared as minor infractions, but I'm not a rogue cop," he said.

Instead, Varkony says he's a cop being targeted after arresting a city council person's family member in 2005.

"The politics get rough. We try to stay away from them, but unfortunately stuff happens," he said.

Varkony has taken down his MySpace page. Oviedo police will decide if he should be taken off the force.

Officer Varkony will have his case heard Tuesday. The Internal Affairs report can take as long as six months. In the meantime, he will remain on administrative duty.

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Is it me or is this a little overkill?

my guess is that there are probably other issues going on...

my guess is that there are probably other issues going on...

I sure would hope so otherwise, in my opinion, this guy's department needs to unwind the sphincter a little bit.

Sounds like someone didn't like him, made one of then "annonymous" complaints.


I think just a tad too serious these guys are...

my guess is that there are probably other issues going on...


I agree.

this guy's department needs to unwind the sphincter a little bit.

I agree.

This seems to be an escalating trend. I understand all about "being held to a higher standard", but it seems like they're raising that standard so high a Saint couldn't reach it. At the rate they're going, one of us will be suspended for saying "Good Golly".

Not to mention... the people doing the raising couldn't even attain that level themselves, let alone maintain it.

I have mixed responses.

First, I absolutely hate "Myspace" and truly believe that if a person feels the need to have a "Myspace", they didn't get enough assurances of being loved when they were growing up and need the constant reminder of their own self worth by keeping a list of "Friends" for everyone else to see.

Secondly, & I've felt this way for a long time... a Cop needs to be mindful that if a Defense Attorney can find "dirt" on a Cop to use at Trial, he will use it to his advantage... and this would include any lawsuits involving excessive force or actual Criminal Trials in which the LEO was either the defendant or the victim... been there, done that... as a Victim. Thank God the Internet was still fairly a difficult system to obtain and use at the time. In my case, my personnel file was brought into the matter, which didn't impact the case at all.

Cops who publicly advocate or express admiration for "Cult" films or violent action Heroes should make sure that they do not do it under their own name or in any way in connection with their employer.

I am a great fan of the "Die Hard" movies, but you will not see me using movie quotes in my (formerly) professional references or connected to the LE Agency that I was employed with.

All of that aside, I was one of the biggest jokers around and I also believe that this guys Agency is grossly over-reacting.

He should sue them and prove he's a super trained ninja. That'll teach em.

Sounds like the Chief doesn't like him for some reason.

Maybe the chief has something against ninjas... :confused:

Anyone hear, that he made notches in his Taser, everytime he used it? (Like how Fighter Pilots for every kill or sortie they fly) I'll go find the article

I don't know why, but I find that hilarious :D


Nevermind, I should learn how to read the original article fully :o

OK, I'll save myself from the blind post


Over 20 investigations for this officer...:eek:



Officer loses badge, gun over MySpace
22 internal investigations target officer

By Michelle Yoffee-Beard | April 09, 2008

OVIEDO - Though he's had a string of more than 20 internal investigations, it was an Oviedo Police Officer's MySpace page that got his badge and gun taken away Friday.

Oviedo Police Officer Justin Varkony of Winter Springs had his gun and his badge taken from him on Friday and was placed on administrative duty while an investigation is completed about what was written on his MySpace page, Lt. Dennis Lynch of the Oviedo Police Department said.

Varkony's MySpace page was removed by Friday, but on Thursday, when he still had street duties, his MySpace page stated: "Justin (is) a supertrained killer ninja fighter of the night who has not had a chance to use this special skill yet."

"On [Thursday], information was received that Oviedo Police Officer Justin Varkony had typed a sentence on his personal MySpace.com account that was inappropriate for a member of the police department," Lynch wrote in an e-mail on Tuesday afternoon.

Previous concerns about the officer include notching his city-issued Taser gun to represent people he's tased and embarking on an unauthorized high-speed chase outside of the city limits.

Including the current ongoing investigation, Varkony has been the subject of internal investigations a total of 22 times. Of those, seven were sustained, he was exonerated five times and nine were unfounded or not sustained.

Lynch said the department has up to six months to complete its current investigation, though he expects to have resolution much sooner.

E-mails and phone calls to Varkony seeking comment went unreturned and on Wednesday, Lynch said Varkony was on vacation.

Human Resources director Connie Collins said that city employees aren't banned from using MySpace or other social networking sites but the city does have policies that regulate an employee's conduct or behavior if deemed inappropriate or detrimental to city operations or its reputation.

"It's hard to say that officers can't have a MySpace account," said Police Chief Jeffrey Chudnow. "Do I care what's on it? Obviously."

Chudnow, who was not with the department during previous internal investigations involving Varkony, said the department is dedicated to following the legal system for both the citizens and its officers.

"State statute dictates that we have to abide by the Officers Bill of Rights," Chudnow said. "You have to afford an objective investigation and allow an investigator to read any statements against [the officer] before they're questioned."

Varkony's judgment has been called into question by his superiors before.

Police records show he deployed his Taser a total of 10 times as of May 23, 2005, and was disciplined for putting the cuts, or notches, on the handle of his Taser to represent each time it was used.

According to an internal investigation, Varkony admitted to notching his Taser. He also told investigators that other officers also notched their Tasers and he went along with it.

The internal report said that the last notch was put in his Taser on May 23, 2005, at a 7-11 on Lockwood Boulevard, when he was standing near the fountain drinks with two other officers. He told the police investigator that he didn't think anybody saw him do it.

"Officer Varkony admitted it was stupid, unprofessional and he regrets doing it," Coleman wrote in the report.

For the incident, he was suspended for 84 hours without pay and given six months special probation.

Varkony appealed the discipline, but an Oct. 26, 2005, letter from former city manager Gerry Seeber sustained the findings.

Seeber wrote in his memo that he had "grave concerns" about Varkony's behavior.

"I strongly encourage you to be mindful of your behavior as a police officer in the city so that you will avoid any future disciplinary action. Any substantive infraction on your part will have the most serious consequences," Seeber wrote.

Prior to the Taser incident, Varkony was involved in another incident that caused concern when he pursued a vehicle outside the Oviedo city limits with the suspect's vehicle going about 120 mph without the use of his emergency lights.

The investigation found Varkony's action to be a civil traffic infraction and he was given a punishment of 12 hours off from work without pay.

Varkony appealed the disciplinary measure but Seeber denied it.

"I am troubled by your assertion that you did nothing wrong in this incident," Seeber wrote. "In my opinion, you did not exercise good judgment and I hope that this discipline will serve as a reminder to you to avoid such lapses in judgment in the future."


http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2008/04/09/47fd2ac6c1b5b

Does anyone know how to use the archive thing through google or whatever and pull his page?

This man is an idiot. :rolleyes:

my guess is that there are probably other issues going on...

If you're a "problem child" in this job... ie, you make everyone's lives difficult or dangerous- then these kinds of minor, seemingly harmless things attract all kinds of attention...

A 'normal' officer would never had been even questioned about it. :rolleyes:

The Oviedo Police Department took away the officer's gun and badge when he claimed online to be a "super-trained killer ninja fighter."

Did anyone actually ASK HIM if he is a super-trained killer ninja fighter? Cause I don't know about you but I would NOT want to be the guy that has to suspend a super-trained killer ninja fighter.




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The Real Ultimate Power. :D

When oh when will people stop using their real names. When oh when will people make their myspace pages private?
Having said that, good goolly. More going on than him claiming to be a ninja. Since when is it illegal to be a ninja? Especially if you don't use your skillz!

I'd be the last person to diss a brother or second-guess one, but THIS guy is an asshat!!! He obviously put himself dead in the crosshairs, and seems to go out of his way to keep stepping on his ****! In my opinion, he is getting what he asked for!! Who would put such crap on Myspace and identify one's self as a police officer? I'd be scared to work with him!! Gotta watch the bad guy AND him!!

The real issue is the 22 investigations. The Officer was targeted by a city councilman after the Officer arrested a family member of his. In a one year period after the arrest the Officer got thirteen internal investigations. This updated article also shows that few were actual citizen complaints and few were sustained. The ones that were sustained were for being late to court and minor damage to his patrol car.

The web site this article came from is seminolevoice.com




'Ninja' cop awaits fate

May 2, 2008

By Jenny Andreasson
The Voice

An Oviedo Police Officer under investigation for an unusual MySpace.com page says a city councilman's family is unfairly targeting him for termination.

Officer Justin Varkony's Web page included a description the department considered suspect, which read "Justin (is) a super-trained killer ninja fighter of the night who has not had a chance to use his special skills yet."

Varkony's gun and badge were taken April 4, and he was placed on administrative duty while an internal investigation is conducted.

Varkony's Web page may have violated the standards of conduct section of the department code of conduct, which states "Members and employees shall not engage in any conduct … that is likely to adversely affect the discipline and good order of the department."

Police Chief Jeff Chudnow said the investigation will "hopefully" be completed this week and, if the complaint is sustained, discipline will be recommended. City leaders have speculated that Varkony could be fired over the sentence on MySpace.

Varkony has been the subject of 23 internal affairs complaints in almost eight years with the department. Eight of those complaints were sustained, meaning the department found some fault in Varkony's actions. Thirteen of the 23 complaints were filed between 2004 and 2005.

Interim City Manager Gene Miller said Varkony signed a "last chance" agreement after his last complaint, which stripped him of his right to appeal. "For repeated offenses a written reprimand is grounds for revocation of the agreement and termination of employment," the agreement states.

'Not a rogue cop'
WFTV Channel 9 interviewed 28-year-old Officer Justin Varkony for a story that aired April 11.

Varkony told a reporter with the TV station he is "not a rogue cop," but is being targeted after arresting a City Council member's family member in 2004.

"The politics get rough," Varkony said. "We try to stay away from them, but unfortunately stuff happens."

Varkony apparently violated another department policy in talking to the station. The department's media policy states that only the "chief of police or an appropriate designee" can give information to the media concerning internal investigations.

Regarding the alleged policy violations, of the eight sustained against him, four were for causing minor damage to his car and one was for not showing up in court.

The last three sustained complaints resulted in suspensions — 12 hours without pay for an unauthorized pursuit, eight hours without pay for not letting his supervisor know he was following a vehicle that didn't stop, and two weeks without pay and six months probation for scratching notches into his Taser electrical stun gun to represent each time it was used.

Five of the 23 code complaints were not sustained due to insufficient evidence — these complaints concerned conduct toward the public, arrests, safe driving and standards of conduct. Six were exonerated, meaning the act occurred but was legal — two of these concerned his gun, though he never fired it. Four complaints were unfounded, meaning the act in question did not occur — these complaints fell under the categories of standards of conduct, carelessness, truthfulness and impartial attitude and actions.


Councilman's father complains about cop
The most recent unfounded complaint was filed March 2007 by Anthony Persampiere Sr., City Councilman Dominic Persampiere's father, after being ticketed by Varkony while driving a truck that belonged to his son, Dominic's half brother.

Dominic Persampiere declined to comment about the investigation, saying the Council has been advised not to talk about Varkony. Anthony Persampiere Sr. also declined to comment. "The problems he (Varkony) has have nothing to do with my family at all," Persampiere Sr. said, "and I really do not wish to discuss it."

In the complaint, Persampiere Sr. alleged that Varkony banged on his truck window March 4, 2007, thinking he was his son, Anthony Persampiere Jr., who was wanted for questioning by police at the time because a witness said he scratched the paint of a car at the Oviedo Marketplace mall. According to Persampiere Sr., Varkony said he was "hunting" for Anthony Jr.

Persampiere Sr. referred to Varkony in his complaint as "an angry boy with a gun" and requested he be immediately removed from duty "because he is armed, reckless and extremely dangerous," the investigation report states.

Varkony denied banging on the window and saying that he was "hunting" for Anthony Jr. He also said that Persampiere Sr. was "very rude to me and used profanity" and "was kind of a jerk the whole time." Varkony said Persampiere Sr. said something to the effect of, "Why the [expletive deleted] are you busting Anthony's horns?"

The police investigation, which was conducted by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, found Persampiere Sr.'s complaint to be unfounded — the act did not occur or the act was without merit. In the conclusion section of the report, the investigator writes that Persampiere Sr.'s "credibility and motivation are suspect" due to misleading statements made by him and his "openly expressed bias against Varkony."


Young Persampiere flees from cop
That alleged bias may stem from a past incident involving Varkony and the Persampiere family. On Dec. 19, 2004, Varkony charged Anthony Jr. with reckless driving and issued him a series of traffic tickets.

Varkony states in the police report that he and three officers were standing in a road in the Alafaya Woods neighborhood talking to three men when they saw a car coming toward them at what three of the officers estimated to be 45 to 50 mph — the speed limit in the neighborhood was 25.

In the report, Officer Randy Lilly writes that Varkony and another officer shone their flashlights at the car and shouted for the car to stop but the car drove around the officers and ran a stop sign.

Varkony ran to his patrol car and chased down the suspect at the gate of another Oviedo neighborhood. He arrested Anthony Jr. and put him in his patrol car before any other officers got there. Lieutenant Mike Beavers, Varkony's supervisor, then arrived and told Varkony to issue Anthony Jr. a notice to appear in court, an alternative to taking him to jail.

In an article in the Orlando Sentinel a week later on Dec. 26, Persampiere Sr., who was not present during the incident, alleged that during Anthony Jr.'s arrest, Varkony "swore at Anthony, threw him on the trunk of his vehicle, and broke his stereo equipment."

A formal complaint was never filed with the Police Department, but according to the article, Councilman Dominic Persampiere helped to arrange a meeting with Persampiere Sr., the city manager and the police chief to discuss Anthony Jr.'s arrest.

Dominic told the Sentinel that he did not abuse his political power. "All I did is what I'd do for any other citizen," he said. "I didn't step in. All I did was arrange a meeting."

In Persampiere Sr.'s interview about the complaint filed against Varkony in 2007, he discussed this 2004 incident, including the Sentinel article, saying that all charges were dropped against Anthony Jr., which wasn't true.

According to records obtained by the Oviedo Police from the State Attorney's Office, the reckless driving charge was amended to careless driving and Anthony Jr. pled guilty. The charge of failure to obey a lawful command of a police officer was dropped. He also had to complete driving school and pays court costs of $115.50.

Persampiere Sr. had hoped to lump together a complaint about the 2007 incident and the 2004 incident, but since Anthony Jr. was older than 18 in 2004, Persampiere Sr. was told Anthony Jr. would have to file his own complaint. Anthony Jr. did not file a separate complaint.


'Killer ninja' a video game character
Varkony's MySpace page was set to "private," Lynch said, meaning only friends could view all but the most basic information about him. A search for Varkony, before his page was removed, brought up his name, a thumbnail picture of him, and the "Killer ninja" comment. Nothing on the search result linked Varkony with Oviedo.

The chief of police found out about the Web page after Councilman Steve Henken reported it to the city manager, Lynch said. Henken said a reporter made him aware of it and it initially concerned him, but during an interview for this article he said it's tough to draw conclusions before the internal investigation is completed.

"It is concerning, but there are two sides to every story … internals always turn up things you would have never thought about," Henken said.

A close friend of Varkony's, who asked to remain anonymous for fear Varkony would get in more trouble, wrote in an e-mail that the "Ninja" comment had to do with a video game Varkony likes to play. "Killer ninja fighter" is Varkony's "tag name" on an Xbox 360 game. She said he didn't come up with the phrase, though.

"It was in an e-mail a friend sent him several years ago," said the friend, who lives in Oviedo and has known Varkony for three years. "Justin thought it was funny so he cut and pasted the e-mail on his header, not knowing it would be seen by the public."

Jessica, another friend of Varkony's who asked that her last name not be used, confirmed that Varkony is an avid video gamer and comic book fan, and the "Killer ninja" comment was in reference to a game.

"This guy's a dork," said Jessica, who's known Varkony since October. "He has comic book crap all over his walls … he has a Superman (decorated) bathroom for goodness sake — he's definitely a dork."

While the average number of internal affairs complaints Varkony received each year was probably higher than most officers, he was active when it came to making arrests, Lynch said, something that made him more susceptible to complaints.

His friends said Varkony is a proactive police officer who does his job well and has received numerous accolades throughout his tenure with the Oviedo Police.

A list of awards provided to The Voice, all on plaques or certificates in Varkony's home, includes four Awards of Commendation — one for single-handedly apprehending a suspect wanted for 16 bank robberies and one for resuscitating an elderly man.

He has three Unit Citations, including one for developing a confidential informant and conducting undercover videotaped crack buys that resulted in 12 felony arrests by his squad. He also identified eight cocaine dealers. He has three Certificates of Achievement, including one for "lifting" a fingerprint that identified an armed robbery suspect. He also has two Letters of Recognition from the Police Chief for solving burglary investigations and apprehending a burglar who was a career criminal.

"Justin is jokingly named 'Top Cop' because he always catches the bad guys when no one else can or will," his anonymous friend said.


Cop admits Taser incident 'stupid,' 'unprofessional'
The anonymous friend said that Varkony has had lapses in judgment, such as notching his Taser each time he used it.

According to the report, in July 2005, Varkony "bragged about the incident and number of Taser deployments." Records show Varkony used a Taser 10 times as of May 23, 2005.

Each time a Taser is used by an Oviedo officer, five people in the department have to review and approve of its use afterward, Lynch said. Varkony was never found to have used his Taser when he shouldn't have.

The investigator wrote that Varkony said the notching "was stupid, unprofessional and he regrets doing it." Lynch said Varkony alleged other officers also notched their Tasers, which was not corroborated when all Tasers were inspected.

Varkony appealed the findings but his appeal was denied by then-City Manager Gerry Seeber. Seeber wrote in a memo that he had "grave concerns" about Varkony's behavior between July 2004 and July 2005.

"I hope that you now understand the seriousness of the incident in which you have been involved," Seeber wrote. "I strongly encourage you to be mindful of your behavior … so that you will avoid any future disciplinary action."

Of Varkony's six other sustained investigations, three were for minor damage on his police car, one was for missing court and one was for not contacting his supervisor when he followed a vehicle that didn't stop for less than a mile.

The last one was for an unauthorized pursuit, where Varkony followed a car on Highway 417 for about six miles that was driving 120 mph. Varkony kept the vehicle in sight and drove between 70 and 80 mph, he said in the report. The complaint was sustained and he was suspended without pay for 12 hours.

The investigator wrote, "Varkony did not exercise good judgment and caution by following the Mustang at high speeds for an extended period … his actions placed the occupants of the Mustang, himself and every vehicle they passed in danger of serious injury or worse." His appeal was denied.

Varkony's friend said he regrets some poor decisions he has made as an officer, but that "Justin is a great cop and I personally think the only thing he has done wrong in eight years is notch his Taser," she said.

Not to mention the page was set to private and he did not identify himself as a police officer.

I agree that myspace is a dumb idea. But this is pretty stupid on the Department's side. Suspending him for his freedom of speech? Even if they were to try and get him under the Standards Unbecoming of an Officer, he has a huge leverage in the fact that the majority will see this as a joke.

I forsee this Officer getting back pay and a large settlement if he claims he cannot return to work in fear of retaliation from the department.

Runch you have a bit of knowledge and spare time? :) Jedi senses tingling..

I come away from reading this one article feeling this cop isn't doing himself any favors. If he feels he's been targeted due to a past arrest then why conduct himself in such a way that gives administration ammunition. I agree with the very first post, there is a high probability that there is much more to this story. If he did, in fact, put notches in a tazer he is fortunate he wasn't terminated on the spot. If the officer did do such a thing that is a flag to any responsible administrator or street supervisor.

Furthermore, in California there are remedies for a peace officer who is targeted by false citizen complaints. If this is happening to him he should see what remedies are at his disposal. Having the department concurring with the harassment is helpful. Questionable conduct is not going to help get his department's support.

another reason why myspace fails

I know the agency in question, but not the Officer. I can say this....OPD (Oviedo) has a reputation of being "upper crust". Many of the neighborhoods in their jurisdiction are $500,000+ homes, many celebs, including Michael Winslow (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0935498/), and they run their administration accordingly. They are just as likely to suspend you over 3-hole punch chads in the air vents as they are for gross violations.

There are agencies in the area that would not have suspended him. It appears that he is working for the wrong one to accommodate his "personality." The notches in the taser is funny, but unprofessional. The myspace comment, IMO, was in jest...a reflection of his hobby and interests.

As to the political side of the allegations...oh yeah. It happens. It happened to my BIL (Deputy/Motor unit with investigating agency in this case) at his former department. He arrested a city council member for DV, after consultation with LT and Capt. Arrest was good, but racial overtones and expectation of favor due to political office placed him on the black list. Sometimes there is nothing you can do that WON'T end up biting you in the arse. :rolleyes:

"Show me a cop with no complaints and I'll show you a cop that isn't doing his job." This was taught to us in the academy. Seeing the OPD Officers proactive results seems to hold the adage true.

I gathered the neighborhoods were "upper crust" from the "gated" neighborhood mentioned when he caught the Councilmans brother... and from reading some of the complaints.

Places like that would claim cruiser damage when it was brought in to the station with mud on it.

The bottom line is that some G.O.'s are written vaguely enough so that if a "Boss" wants to teach a lesson, it is awfully damn easy to write an "Unbecoming" violation..."wasn't serious enough in public"....:rolleyes:

Having made my former Sgt's "Blacklist" for attempting to show him the light about his drug dealing son, once you piss off a "Boss", everything they write you up for is mostly his word vs yours, and the Administration isn't going to back up the guy without the rank... I got written up for doing things I had permission to do until his Boss asked him about it... among other things.

Karma was a B!tch, though, because shortly after my retirement, his son got busted 6 ways from Sunday and that Sgt. got busted back down for doing something (else) unethical :rolleyes:

I kind of feel this guys pain, but I still think that if you have to have a "Myspace" you'd better either be able to divorce your private self from LE on it or make sure your public glass house can survive a Defense Attorneys spotlight in Court.

I never use my real name online and I'm still SUPER careful about anything I post on here. I have opinions that I won't post, well, just because. One never knows who will disagree with what you have to say and how they might find out who you are. And if they're "important" enough or somehow connected, that's your a$$. Seen it happen.

I just use the simple concept for MySpace to be COMMON SENSE.


:)

Facebook > Myspace :D

As to the political side of the allegations...oh yeah. It happens. It happened to my BIL (Deputy/Motor unit with investigating agency in this case) at his former department. He arrested a city council member for DV, after consultation with LT and Capt. Arrest was good, but racial overtones and expectation of favor due to political office placed him on the black list. Sometimes there is nothing you can do that WON'T end up biting you in the arse. :rolleyes:
"Show me a cop with no complaints and I'll show you a cop that isn't doing his job." This was taught to us in the academy. Seeing the OPD Officers proactive results seems to hold the adage true.

That is why I love the manditory arrest law, it makes it simple to say, that is what the law says, BLACK AND WHITE for ya there council member!!!!!

If you're a "problem child" in this job... ie, you make everyone's lives difficult or dangerous- then these kinds of minor, seemingly harmless things attract all kinds of attention...

A 'normal' officer would never had been even questioned about it. :rolleyes:


We have so many rules that say we can be fired for breaking them that it is hard to go a week without violating one. Of course, no one ever does anything until you become a problem and I have started to believe that the whole point for all of the minor rules is to have grounds to get rid of you whenever they want to or feel they need to.

But, we don't have a rule against being a super Ninja killer, as long as you don't go around killing people. :D