Police Officer Preparation & Law Enforcement Resource - Archive

To those in Arizona, hello neighbor!

Hmm.... Looks like i have this thread to myself... (looks around in the echoing silence) :confused::confused:
(snif snif) You know, I did shower this morning... :o:D;)
(shrug)

that's ok, I wont saying anything if you have a conversation with yourself.:D

:p Gee... Thanks, I think! LOL

Not from Arizona, not in Arizona, but would like to be, well for the most part anywise.

Not from Arizona, not in Arizona, but would like to be, well for the most part anywise.

You're welcome to the place... Personally, as soon as I can, I am going either back home (sorta close to it) or to CO again... depending on time and opportunities... I do not like AZ!

I tested down in AZ for a city dept back in JAN, they are still talking to me, but haven't made a final decision. WI is giving badges away, don't think 2x about IL, its horrid in all aspects, and CO would be nice, but looks and seems like you have to be a LATERAL or Local to get in anywhere

Not in the LEO field myself, but I do wish you the best of luck!

Although I am not from Arizona, Ada, I thought I'd send some Easter love to your thread, dear lady.:D

Awwwww.... You rock, Suzanne! You are a neighbor, LA is 5 hours away from here!

Awwwww.... You rock, Suzanne! You are a neighbor, LA is 5 hours away from here!

Ok, cool! LOL...Love ya, neighbor. :D

Sending good thoughts right back atcha, neighbor!:D

So, what's the weather like right now in Arizona?
Are there any hot men in your town? lol

It was warm today, so I am sure they were hot, and smelly too! Oh. Wait. :eek: The other kinda hot... LOL Well as to that, there are.:p I think!:D

It was warm today, so I am sure they were hot, and smelly too! Oh. Wait. :eek: The other kinda hot... LOL Well as to that, there are.:p I think!:D

LOL...How is the tourism for your state?

LOL...How is the tourism for your state?

Lets see... Its the Grand Canyon state, we have Tombstone AZ, Scottsdale, and I am sure there is much more... I think tourism is alive and well out here.... I just got here a couple of years ago so I do not really know the state all that well.

Have a wonderful Easter, Ada, and I'll speak with you again.

My friend is here, and we are going out for the evening.

Hugs, and take care.:D

You too Suzanne! Enjoy your Easter!

Lets see... Its the Grand Canyon state, we have Tombstone AZ, Scottsdale, and I am sure there is much more... I think tourism is alive and well out here.... I just got here a couple of years ago so I do not really know the state all that well.

Personally, I can't wait for all the Snowbirds to leave!

Tourists, I can handle, and yes, Suzanne, Arizona does quite well with tourism.

Meteor Crater, Grand Canyon, Tombstone, Oak Creek Canyon, Sabino Canyon, White Mountains, Mogollon Rim, Superstition Mountains (alleged location of Lost Dutchman Gold Mine) Sedona, Jerome, Bisbee, Petrified Forest, Saguaro National Monument, Old Tucson, London Bridge in Lake Havasu City, and numerous ancient Native American Cliff Dwellings, just to name a few destinations.

I love this state!

...
Meteor Crater, Grand Canyon, Tombstone, Oak Creek Canyon, Sabino Canyon, White Mountains, Mogollon Rim, Superstition Mountains (alleged location of Lost Dutchman Gold Mine) Sedona, Jerome, Bisbee, Petrified Forest, Saguaro National Monument, Old Tucson, London Bridge in Lake Havasu City, and numerous ancient Native American Cliff Dwellings, just to name a few destinations.

I love this state!

Right with you Cat. I can't wait to get back and see some more... wife's pushing for the next trip to go NorthEast, though... :o

Right with you Cat. I can't wait to get back and see some more... wife's pushing for the next trip to go NorthEast, though... :o

I think it is the variety that gets me, Creek. It is absolutely amazing how many different "plateaus" you can see in just a short driving time in this wonderful state.

I was stationed in Missouri while in the Air Force and did get to enjoy the small ponds, meadows and rolling hills, but nothing is more majestic than to drive through the Sonoran Desert, enter a winding road (outside Apache Junction and at the base of the Superstition Mountains) go through a Saguaro "forest" among red and orange hued cliffs, then make a corner to see the wonderful blue of Canyon Lake and the stream running at Tortilla Flat. All in less than an hour.

Or, take the road from northern Tucson up to the top of Mount Lemmon, where you pass from Sonoran Desert through four different land/vegetation plateaus and end up in a majestic pine forest, eat lunch on the shores of Rose Lake, then drive back home to the desert, all during daylight.

I remember flying home from Missouri and looking out the plane window at Camelback Mountain as we were landing in Phoenix. I cannot describe the emotions I felt being back in this wondrous state.

Hi, Ada!


.................Tag, you're it!:D LOL....

I was in Mesa for a week back in January, and wife and I decided to take a road trip to Tortilla flat, very pretty. Wish I had my own car for that winding road (between the ghost town gold mine apache junction and tortilla). However it was nice till it turned dark, and then we had to stop and turn around due to the road being washed out at one point. I was rather upset at that one. All that time, gas and milage, and now I have to head back the way I came. lol

I was in Mesa for a week back in January, and wife and I decided to take a road trip to Tortilla flat, very pretty. Wish I had my own car for that winding road (between the ghost town gold mine apache junction and tortilla). However it was nice till it turned dark, and then we had to stop and turn around due to the road being washed out at one point. I was rather upset at that one. All that time, gas and milage, and now I have to head back the way I came. lol

Ah, you left the black top to take the "back way" up (north-east) to Roosevelt Lake?

I would not take that road unless I had a 4x4 because you never know, especially during the late summer, if a monsoon is going to come through and cause a flash flood. It does not take very much rain to come rolling down those canyons and cause issues. :eek:

no, never left the blacktop. We were at some ghost town mine, then continued down the road (can't remember name or # at the moment) and shortly after there was a state park that bordered a national park. Then stayed on same road heading towards the tortilla flat away from Apache junction and Mesa. There was a lookout that you could over and park somewhere along the way. I'll have to see if my wife remembers what road, or check out a map. But the road was flooded over in some low area that just had a bar/restaurant and something else... so the only way back, was the way we came..

no, never left the blacktop. We were at some ghost town mine, then continued down the road (can't remember name or # at the moment) and shortly after there was a state park that bordered a national park. Then stayed on same road heading towards the tortilla flat away from Apache junction and Mesa. There was a lookout that you could over and park somewhere along the way. I'll have to see if my wife remembers what road, or check out a map. But the road was flooded over in some low area that just had a bar/restaurant and something else... so the only way back, was the way we came..

Just a guess based on my MS Streets, but could it have been 88, "Apache Trail" headed toward Roosevelt, thru the Tonto National Forest headed to the Tonto National Monument, also thru Superstition Wilderness? I'm not seeing a state park close by, though.

Maybe the washout was at Fish Creek Canyon? The road looks like it takes a low dive just prior to there on Live Search Maps.

edit: just found "Lost Dutchman State Park" just outside of Youngberg/Goldfield.

Just a guess based on my MS Streets, but could it have been 88, "Apache Trail" headed toward Roosevelt, thru the Tonto National Forest headed to the Tonto National Monument, also thru Superstition Wilderness? I'm not seeing a state park close by, though.

Maybe the washout was at Fish Creek Canyon? The road looks like it takes a low dive just prior to there on Live Search Maps.

edit: just found "Lost Dutchman State Park" just outside of Youngberg/Goldfield.

You are right, on the directions, Creek.

But since he said he never left blacktop, en route from Apache Junction to Tortilla Flat (Lost Dutchman is on that route), he must have run across a low dip which filled with water during a monsoon. This happens quite frequently. Although the water runs violently, it does not close down the roads for long as it empties to lower areas.

I must admit, though, the "hundred year flood" of '83 was quite dramatic, as it shut down I-10 north of Casa Grande on the Gila River for a few days. We had to help DPS on that one and the sound of that raging river caused an instinctive fright.

We also had the freak rains of '93 which came very close to the flood dynamics of '83. Saw a National Guard helicopter rescuing cows from the Chui-Chui village on that one. Strange sight.

We were expecting 2003 floods, which never materialized.

In Arizona we are quite lucky as we don't have the tornados, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc.

But, our monsoon dust storms with associated micro-bursts can make a brave man shiver. Very violent, for about an hour, as a mile high wall of thick dust, with lightening flashes behind it, comes at you at high speed.

The storm related flash floods kill a few every year. This is not necessarily bad news, as anyone stupid enough to enter the flooded wash/dip is contaminating the gene pool anyway.

Going to have to look around, learn more about the area. I will be looking mountain bike trails around here, but not ready for those yet; I have time to research. I know it is a gorgeous state, I just am completely isolated... Loved the desert when I was driving down from CO.

This is NOT a come on, Ada, but anytime you want a guided tour just let me know. I am working nights right now, but have the weekends off. I assume you are in the Phoenix "valley" metro area, but there is plenty to see in just a couple of hours drive.

A bunch of us go to Tombstone on a regular basis. Maybe you and a friend or two could get yourselves rooms down there when we go and you will be more than welcome to join our group. (I know you would like them all.)

I take much pleasure in showing new people EXACTLY where the OK Corral shoot-out took place, the path the Earps walked en route to the shoot-out and some of the history just outside the "tourist traps."

Check your PM's Cat_Doc. Sounds like a lot of fun!

Figured I would stop in and say hello. Been in Arizona for the past 5 years. Love the winter, the spring, and the fall, but don't care for 3 months of hell-like temperatures.

Figured I would stop in and say hello. Been in Arizona for the past 5 years. Love the winter, the spring, and the fall, but don't care for 3 months of hell-like temperatures.

I just got back after spending 10 days in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Now, I currently love that area because that happens to be where my wonderful daughter, son-in-law and two beautiful grandkids live.

However, I would much rather be out in 120 degree weather, than the 22 degrees… without wind chill factor putting it below zero before you make it to the car!

I can survive in the desert; I fear I would die in a blizzard. :(

The only part I don’t like much is the last part of July, month of August, when “swamp ass” strikes because of the humidity. :o

The only part I don’t like much is the last part of July, month of August, when “swamp ass” strikes because of the humidity. :o


Ummmm.... Cat? Don't hit New Jersey in July or August... I remember many a 4th of July not being able to see fireworks in Manhattan 30 miles away (I lived on a hill facing the city), due to the amount of moisture in the air. It gets so damp out there you can just about swim in the air... Arizona does not have what I call humidity....:D

Ummmm.... Cat? Don't hit New Jersey in July or August... I remember many a 4th of July not being able to see fireworks in Manhattan 30 miles away (I lived on a hill facing the city), due to the amount of moisture in the air. It gets so damp out there you can just about swim in the air... Arizona does not have what I call humidity....:D

Oh yeah? So how do you explain the "swamp ***" syndrome?????? ;)

I really do not have much to compare humidity with, other than San Antonio, Texas during July and August which made me feel like I was drowning, but Arizona does have the "dry heat" ....much more tolerable.

The secret, by the way, is to acclimate to the Arizona heat by coming out in the morning and allowing your body to adjust as the temp climbs.

The killer is walking out into the heat after being in the air conditioned car or building. This is what knocks your butt in the dirt. :eek:

While on patrol, I still drive around with the driver's window down and A/C on max. Old habit, but I am used to it.

Oh yeah? So how do you explain the "swamp ***" syndrome?????? ;)

Ummm... :D That folks out here are not used to real humidity? (now wasn't that polite of me, compared to what I was thinking!) I've actually never experienced it out here. Not sure if it is better to broil or to be steamed... Either way, the temps can be a bit tough to take.


The secret, by the way, is to acclimate to the Arizona heat by coming out in the morning and allowing your body to adjust as the temp climbs.

The killer is walking out into the heat after being in the air conditioned car or building. This is what knocks your butt in the dirt. :eek:

While on patrol, I still drive around with the driver's window down and A/C on max. Old habit, but I am used to it.

Yeah, well, some have no choice. I do not have functional A/C in the car, so I just grin and bear it... It was a bit grim a couple of times last summer...

Yeah, well, some have no choice. I do not have functional A/C in the car, so I just grin and bear it... It was a bit grim a couple of times last summer...

Did you get any 3rd dgree burns on your hands after touching the steering wheel? LOL

Did you get any 3rd dgree burns on your hands after touching the steering wheel? LOL

To quote a movie "think cool, man!" Nope... I can thank my teenage years of being a farmhand for that. Tough palms. Hot but not unbearable. :D

I just got back after spending 10 days in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Now, I currently love that area because that happens to be where my wonderful daughter, son-in-law and two beautiful grandkids live.

...

I've been drooling over commercials that are being shown late at night on cable channels offering to sell 40 acres of former Ranch land in Wyoming for around $2000 per acre. They have 3 locations, 1 near Cheyenne, 1 near Casper, and the one I've been drooling over is near Laramie, in the shadow of the Medicine Bow Mountains.

My wife & I came out to Az in May '04 for my Cousins Graduation, they closed I-40 around Tucumcari, NM (I think) because of a dust storm, and everyone was forced to go onto 66 for awhile.

Headed South toward Tucson on I-17 the next day, I was amazed at the size and near constant dirt devils that we saw south of Phoenix. We've seen a few here, but nothing like those.

Sorry, haven't looked at map yet or talked about it with the wife in detail, but as far as temps and humidity go...
60-70 degrees with no humidity would be perfect for me...
110+even with no humidity I think would suck
though maybe not as much as the 80' with near 100% humidity we get in the midwest...YUCK....

Headed South toward Tucson on I-17 the next day, I was amazed at the size and near constant dirt devils that we saw south of Phoenix. We've seen a few here, but nothing like those.

We call 'em "dust devils" Creeker. LOL But I knew what you were talking about.

I was relieving a call-taker once so she could use the restroom when we received a 9-1-1 call from a frantic female. She wanted to report a Category 3 tornado on I-10 mile post 203.

I knew she was observing a rather large dust devil (I have seen them at least a 1/4 mile across before, if not larger) but had to make a comment about how she knew it was Category 3? She yells, now almost in tears, that her husband is a "storm chaser" and he knows. I could then hear him yelling that we needed to stop traffic on I-10 because it was approaching the interstate. :eek:

SHUT ER ALL DOWN, SHURT ER DOWN NOW!!! what are you waiting for?!?!! lol
I think they were cool looking. also enjoyed how do you eh say... tumble weed? hahah lol

also enjoyed how do you eh say... tumble weed?

LOL, yep. A huge tumble weed being blown across the road will hurt your car more than that dust devil will. Although, you should slow down for the devil, some of them can push you out of your lane. The tumble weed can easily poke a hole in the radiator iffen it's one of them big critters.

after quick look at map, I believe it was 88 that we took all the way from apache junction towards the tortilla flat. a low point near some bar had a sign saying don't attempt to cross if flooded, and it looked like there was a good 2-4ft of water, and wasn't about to attempt it with my low riding fwd passanger car. lol so back the way we came....

LOL, yep. A huge tumble weed being blown across the road will hurt your car more than that dust devil will. Although, you should slow down for the devil, some of them can push you out of your lane. The tumble weed can easily poke a hole in the radiator iffen it's one of them big critters.

Anything like this?
View My Video (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=168h83l&s=3)

Right after I shot this, a tumbleweed the size of my truck came out of the dust and hurtled past me on the pavement. I'll bet it was blowing at about 25mph.:eek:

I ran into this back in March 06 after I left Dodge City, KS headed into Texas... I think I was near the OK line south of Liberal ... it was the day that the Texas panhandle caught fire, which made for a very eerie driving day, with a coffee colored sky.

http://i30.tinypic.com/34hax5d.jpg
near Twitty, Texas

Anything like this?
View My Video (http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=168h83l&s=3)

Right after I shot this, a tumbleweed the size of my truck came out of the dust and hurtled past me on the pavement. I'll bet it was blowing at about 25mph.:eek:

I ran into this back in March 06 after I left Dodge City, KS headed into Texas... I think I was near the OK line south of Liberal ... it was the day that the Texas panhandle caught fire, which made for a very eerie driving day, with a coffee colored sky.

<<Imange Removed>>
near Twitty, Texas
Sometimes just like that, I remember leaving work one day and driving down the main street in Coolidge during a dust storm. I could see maybe 150-200 feet (I have a 25 mile drive home) as soon a hit Highway 87 South of town I turned around went back to work, visibility was maybe 30-40 feet. I stayed at work for 30 minutes to let it pass enough drive home safely

AZ has so many cool places and I'm somewhat ashamed to say I’ve been here 11 years and can count the number of places I’ve seen on two hands. I’ve never really left Pinal County though this summer work is sending me to the Grand Canyon for training so I’ll get to see some cool places on my up and back down.

AZ has so many cool places and I'm somewhat ashamed to say I’ve been here 11 years and can count the number of places I’ve seen on two hands. I’ve never really left Pinal County...

Even Pinal County has a lot to offer, although it would take several weekends to see it all as the county is larger than three states back east.

Some of it will entail horseback or a quad unless you want to backpack and hike, but the wonder, just in our county, is amazing.

We have the Superstition Mountains and the elusive Lost Dutchman Mine, old downtown Superior (Mattie Earp is buried in Pinal, just southeast of Superior near the old silver mine), Box Canyon and Martinez Canyon, just northeast of Florence where you can still see the remnants of a 1800’s bar blasted out of the side of a canyon wall.

There is sound speculation that Mattie Earp worked as a prostitute in the Box Canyon bar for a while, after Wyatt dumped her for Josie and before she traveled to the Superior area...where she most likely committed suicide by overdosing on Laudlum (sp?) There is also sound speculation that Wyatt was in Florence, Superior and Globe for a bit, checking out financial opportunities, before Tombstone went to crap and he split to Colorado.

There is the rugged and still somewhat unexplored area of the Gila River area north of the dam outside of Florence. Hell, even Florence had the most famous shootout (Six Gun Classic) in Arizona prior to the OK Corral incident in Tombstone.

How many times have you driven past the Casa Grande Ruins left by the mysterious Hohokams without going in to see it? Can you just imagine what you might find, (although you would have to be with someone from the Gila River reservation to stay out of trouble) along the banks of the Gila River from Florence to Maricopa Wells where the Hohokam flourished in ancient times?

And, if you haven’t done it yet, you should really drive out to the base of Table Top Mountain and enjoy the still wild area on the backside.

And, the small mountains near the intersection of I-10 and 387 have some hieroglyphics to be seen.

If you go to the railroad station on Main Street in Casa Grande, across from CuCu’s Bar, you will be walking on the same ground Wyatt and Virgil Earp did in 1879 while they were en route to Tombstone from Prescott.

There are still some stage coach stops on the southeast side of CG Mountain where you can stand and try to image what it was like in the 1800’s.

You can also check out Picacho Peak, distinctive as being the only place there was a Civil War battle in Arizona. Go during the spring when the wild flowers absolutely turn the area and bottom half of the peak yellow.

How about Pepper Sauce Canyon and the Pepper Sauce caves, on the backside of Mount Lemmon, just outside of Oracle, that to this day have not been fully explored?

There are other places rich in 1800’s history to be seen. I can’t recall the name of the mine, some miles south of Arizona City, near the Pima County line, that still has the remnants of a large two story “whorehouse.” My buddy and I still have unaccomplished plans to take metal detectors down there and look for change that may have fallen out around the house of pleasure. LOL

Anyway, I know I have forgotten some of the great areas of the county and I apologize for the long ramble, but our county is rich in history; you just have to find out where it is and go look.

I'd make a short trip (well kinda) and visit legoland :D;):D

Doc, are there still any actual... not built for tourists... Ghost towns still around in AZ that you know of? I tried to find Charleston... not very hard, since my in-laws were with us... when I was on my way to Tombstone, but couldn't figure out its exact location... and my GPS was fritzing.



...You can also check out Picacho Peak, distinctive as being the only place there was a Civil War battle in Arizona. Go during the spring when the wild flowers absolutely turn the area and bottom half of the peak yellow. ....

When we were in Williams, they have/had a High School band that roves the street in the evenings... at least in the summer... dressed in Union Blue uniforms. Part of their "shtick" was that there was a CW Battle fought there, in Williams. I haven't come across that in any History books, but to be fair, I haven't seen the info specific to Picacho Peak either, although I know that there was CW activity in the state.

Charleston is on the back road from Sierra Vista to Tombstone, right at the bridge on the river. It is on the west bank of the river, north side of the bridge, about 1/4 of a mile. All that's left right now are some small adobe walls and foundation outlines.

Unfortunately, the U.S. Army used the area for live fire artillery training during WW II and destroyed some important history in the process.

It is a rough hike and from I hear, you still have to be careful about unexploded ordinace. I only travelled along the river bank, but my wife was with me and she got tired so I did not explore much further.

The bridge area is also distinguished with a Historical Marker regarding the Mormon Battalion and the "Battle of the Bulls" during the mid 1800's. I will let you research that one so you can get the same reaction I did when I looked it up. ;)

Next time you are down, check out Fairbanks, if you haven't already, also along the river but further north by about 20 miles or so. It is protected by the Feds, but some of the 1880's buildings are still standing.

I don’t know of any true “ghost towns” still standing, although there are plenty of foundations and a few falling structures all over some the remote areas in Arizona.

I don’t have access to it right now, but I have a book about “Arizona Ghost Towns” that can put you in the right area if you want to mess around with a metal detector.

If you are planning another trip, PM me on where you will be going and I’ll be happy to help you out. (I have a very detailed mapbook of off road areas in Arizona.)

I seriously doubt the authenticity of any battles in or near Williams (west of Flagstaff on I-40) and think this must be a bad tourism thingy. :mad:

When I referred to Picacho Peak as the only Civil War battle, it was because this is where any fatalities took place. There was a previous encounter, west of Phoenix called the Stanwix Station encounter, but this was a skirmish with rapid disengagement, not really qualifying as a battle.

I have attached a reference to the “Battle of Picacho Pass.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Picacho_Pass

Creeker,

Since you are very interested in the same areas I am, I should mention something planned, but not yet done.

I have a buddy who is a pilot and we were planning on flying over the area between Pearce and Tombstone. There were numerous structures from ranches in the area but the road path has long since been overgrown. We were going to fly over using GPS to punch in areas where we saw structures or straight lines and go back with a 4x4 to take a look. I think that would be a great trip to take, entailing some overnight camping.

Who knows what kind of neat 1880's stuff we could find?

Creeker,

Since you are very interested in the same areas I am, I should mention something planned, but not yet done.

I have a buddy who is a pilot and we were planning on flying over the area between Pearce and Tombstone. There were numerous structures from ranches in the area but the road path has long since been overgrown. We were going to fly over using GPS to punch in areas where we saw structures or straight lines and go back with a 4x4 to take a look. I think that would be a great trip to take, entailing some overnight camping.

Who knows what kind of neat 1880's stuff we could find?

now that is something that sounds cool, and like allot of fun.

Cat_Doc:
I seen a bit around Pinal County but never knew about all the "people" history (Wyatt and Virgil Earp and such) though I do know about many of the places you mentioned I’ve just never got around to doing much of it with work and school full-time. I did get to see a dig in Phoenix once (thanks to work) when they were working on the freeway. It was awesome seeing the Hohokam canals and ruins being excavated.
Also no worries about the “ramble,” I learned a lot just reading about the people history I didn’t know before.

Cat_Doc:
I seen a bit around Pinal County but never knew about all the "people" history (Wyatt and Virgil Earp and such) though I do know about many of the places you mentioned I’ve just never got around to doing much of it with work and school full-time. ....

If you think about it, you are in a land that, unlike the east and its many overpopulated areas, has been barely settled for a century and has many land areas that I am sure hasn't seen a human foot in just as long. It is still an untamed land, unlike the midwest and east.

In many ways I envy people who are able to see your "wide open" on a daily basis.:o

One of the things I like about Wyoming (another favorite place) is that the state population of Wyoming is tha same as the population of the tri-county area that I live in... and SC isn't as populous as many other areas ;)

Charleston is on the back road from Sierra Vista to Tombstone, right at the bridge on the river.
...Unfortunately, the U.S. Army used the area for live fire artillery training during WW II and destroyed some important history in the process.

It is a rough hike and from I hear, you still have to be careful about unexploded ordinace. ...

Sounds like a damn good thing I didn't find it... it would have been hard to explain the missing foot when I got back to the car ;)



...The bridge area is also distinguished with a Historical Marker regarding the Mormon Battalion and the "Battle of the Bulls" during the mid 1800's. I will let you research that one so you can get the same reaction I did when I looked it up. ;)

...

Looked it up. Some pretty interesting and humorous history there. I wonder if there were any WIA in that battle? :D

Some pretty interesting and humorous history there. I wonder if there were any WIA in that battle? :D

Looks like three wounded.

Although I laughed a bit when I first found out what happened, I got a little more serious when I thought of the real danger.

I have been chased by one of those creatures when I was a stupid kid and messed with it. I can't imagine an entire herd of pissed off wild ones going after you for invading their territory.

Battle of the Bulls

Although Battalion troops effectively stared down and intimidated the Mexican garrison stationed at Tucson resulting in the garrison's retreat, their only armed engagement of the war was with a herd of cattle. On 11 December 1846, a number of wild cattle stampeded into the rear companies, jostling wagons and scaring the pack animals, whereupon a number of the Battalion's hunters opened fire on the beasts. The eventual toll from the skirmish, immortalized as the Battle of the Bulls, was "ten to fifteen bulls killed, two mules gored to death, three men wounded."

More history on the Battalion, if interesed.

http://www.lds.org/gospellibrary/pioneer/12_Council_Bluffs.html

...More history on the Battalion, if interesed.

http://www.lds.org/gospellibrary/pioneer/12_Council_Bluffs.html

That link is a veritable treasure trove of not just the history of the LDS migration, but of the severe physical costs of any Pioneer migration back then. I spent about an hour & a half reading all of the Journal entries, its very enlightening.

I've been to some of the sites mentioned, Ft. Bridger, Ft. Laramie, Independance Rock, Chimney Rock, but I don't recall ever seeing this much detail of the hardships or death toll along the way.

Thanks for that.

I have a concern. I'm 23 yrs old and want to be a police officer more than anything else. I don't have any tickets, never been arrested, no felonies no anything against me. My concern is one issue in my past. When I was younger..maybe 19 or 20..i was at a party and at the time i didn'treally have a direction in life so anyway what happended was i "think" i did coke. It was white yeah I was told it was coke but i had no reaction i wasn't buzzing around you know. Thing is, the line was if 3/4 of an inch long. I've only done it that once and that was the only " hardcore" drug I ever used..Will that disqualify me from getting hired or from attending a police academy? I live in Pinal County, so really there isn't that much here so I'm willing to work for any dep't. I just hope my stupid decision hasn't doomed me.

Geez Luoise, talk about a thread hijacking!!

There are other sections of this forum dedicated to answering your question, ie Ask a Cop.

To put this back on track.

Cat, thanks for the history. Fascinating stuff! I have never really been interested in the Old West, but I do like learning new info, and am now curious about seeing a few places. Toombstone is not too far away, looks like I need to go make a trip.

I am going to have to start wandering around with a map, looking for some of these areas. Thanks again for all the intersting info!

Geez Luoise, talk about a thread hijacking!!

There are other sections of this forum dedicated to answering your question, ie Ask a Cop.

LMAO



is anyone into rock climbing or snowboarding/skiing? Where do you usually go to do so?

We spent a short time (near closing) of some old ghost town mine East of Apache Junction I think. some interesting stuff nonetheless