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Just got done watching a show on the history channel called Fight Quest where two dudes tried to learn Krav Maga. Interesting fight technique. I am going to have to learn more.

Take a closer look at Systema, that is interesting ...

e.g. this site (http://www.russianmartialart.com/) or several youtube vids.

Krava Maga kind of sounds....kinky?


:p


Thats one hell of a show I tell you. Them guys get there @$$es handded to them sometimes

It's the Discovery Channel, History channel has the Human Weapon show which was the first version. Krav Maga is cool, I've done some of it. Probably would be cosidered obsessive force however.

This is taught for close protection work in the UK

It's the Discovery Channel, History channel has the Human Weapon show which was the first version. Krav Maga is cool, I've done some of it. Probably would be cosidered obsessive force however.

What is this Obsessive Force you speak of? :D

What is this Obsessive Force you speak of? :D

LOL thats funny.

"Excessive Force" was what the Russians used on those Human Weapon guys... I don't remember the name of that "art" though.

Anything the Isreali's do to defend themselves is fine by me.

Look into Kali also, very devastating stuff.

I think the key thing with any martial art (KM included) is that it depends on the instructor.

KM has seen great leaps with all sort of chaps teaching authentic commando Krav Maga (presumably the commando bit doe not refer to underwear) as taught to Israeli special forces. The authenticity of some of these schools must be questionable, as if they were involved in training SF they would not be crowing about it.

It depends what you want from the art. If you want to learn an art, with a bit of fitness, that is fine. Learning to kill multiple opponents withn a spoon, not so sure. What was the show like?

That Systema looks crazy.

My cousin is taking krav maga classes and she says that it is great and she is learning a lot from it.

Personally, I think Krav Maga would be a GREAT martial art for LEOs. I mean, the Israeli commandos and special forces use it. I am probably going to take it, because it is also for if someone randomly came up to you and started attacking...

What is this Obsessive Force you speak of? :D

oops, a little Freudian slip. Me and one of my buddies always say obsessive force as a joke. Because we train so much we are obsessed with it. "We'll just use some of our obsessive force on that guy." But yeah, you knew what I meant anyway. Howabout Excessive obsessive force? That would be cool. :D

I like Krav Maga because it teaches you to be resourceful and find anything in the area that can be used as a weapon.
and a lot of it really common sense stuff that you condition yourself to do, which might be one reason most refuse to acknowledge it as a "martial art" and refer to it as a method of self defense.

and if the IDF uses it, I'm all for it. If there is one thing that Israel know how to do, it's fight, everyone has hated them as long as they've been around and every time they almost get wiped out, they always recover. You'd think people would get the point and back off of them.

Many of the officers around here practice KM.. and I'll be starting in the summer once schools out. It seems like a great art. Like jrg said, it focuses on what you have on you or around you to get out of situations, making it very applicable to law enforcement.

Just got done watching a show on the history channel called Fight Quest where two dudes tried to learn Krav Maga. Interesting fight technique. I am going to have to learn more.


Norm, I took Aikido, Taekwondo (black belt) and then Krav Maga. I can tell you that Krav is MUCH more realistic and quick to learn. It is based on natural reflexivness to attacks, and is devastating. Be sure you find a school affiliated with the national organization;

http://moya.liquidweb.com/~kravmaga/

Krav Maga is very useful, it incorporates some old kung-fu style pressure points. which if used properly can end a fight before it can begin. basic krav maga and pressure points are very effective when taking down an opponent.

Krav Maga is very useful, it incorporates some old kung-fu style pressure points. which if used properly can end a fight before it can begin. basic krav maga and pressure points are very effective when taking down an opponent.

refer to my reply to your other post on pressure points...

KM is OK, however, I have seen videos of its gun defenses and they can be a bit lackluster. But I am a firm believer that any MA is better than no MA!

Here are a few links of Kun Tao Dumpag that I studied for about 6 years. This is my trainer. YouTube - Kuntao Dumpag, a rare Filipino martial art


For those that have watched Fight Quest, you will notice that this style was on the episode where they went to the Philippines and were instructed under Lt. Leo Gaje. That is Pekiti Tersia Kali, however, Kun Tao incorporates some of the moves seen here, especially for knife defenses.
YouTube - Part 6 Traditional Filipino Weapons featuring GT Leo Gaje

those videos were cool Jennifer, I believe that everyone should take some form of martial arts. it teaches discipline,self-control, and is great exercise for the body and mind.

those videos were cool Jennifer, I believe that everyone should take some form of martial arts. it teaches discipline,self-control, and is great exercise for the body and mind.

Thanks.

I agree. I know that people can get devoted to their style and will say that it is the best. That's up for discussion but I think just knowing a style gives you an advantage in addition to teaching you the things that you mention.

I do think that women should definitely learn MA for at least self-defense. I have helped my instructor teach rape prevention seminars in the past, and you would be surprised at how many women giggle and are uncomfortable just yelling curse words at a person (a useful technique to show that you are not going to be an easy target and for shock value).

I urge all of my friends and Explorer buddies to take some kind of self defense,, and some people do tend to lean toward the specific style that thy learn to be the best. i've tried several different MA styles and In my opinion most of them have merit and are effective in defending ones self from a potential attacker.

KM is OK, however, I have seen videos of its gun defenses and they can be a bit lackluster.

Hi Jen, I was a fan of KM firearms techniques before I became an instructor. Can you point me to the videos you saw being lackluster (there are quite a few different KM groups out there, legit and not so legit - I would be interested to see where the ones you saw originated from) and do you have a link(s) to firearms takeaway/retention techniques that you like better? TIA... :bigear:

:iagree:

KM takeaways appear very similar to what Defensive Tactics Institute and so many others teach - that includes handguns AND long guns.

I'm rather fortunate in that I've never had to test it out in a real world situation, though.

Hi Jen, I was a fan of KM firearms techniques before I became an instructor. Can you point me to the videos you saw being lackluster (there are quite a few different KM groups out there, legit and not so legit - I would be interested to see where the ones you saw originated from) and do you have a link(s) to firearms takeaway/retention techniques that you like better? TIA... :bigear:

Oh Lord! I have to admit that it was years ago that I saw these videos! I will see if I can find them. They were posted on a MA forum I belonged to.

And I'm sure with any style, you have instructors who know the real style and others who don't. Same can be said for what I do. There are people out there who swear that they teach kun tao (sometimes they will refer to it as Kun Taw or something like that) and they really don't know what they are doing.

Let me see what I can find...

I found the site but the videos are no longer up. What I remember seeing was that the person being attacked continued to stay in the center line. I'm all about footwork and getting out of the way. I did look up a KM website and those videos looked good. Considering that it has been so long since those vids were posted, I'm sure things have progressed anyhow.

It's the Discovery Channel, History channel has the Human Weapon show which was the first version. Krav Maga is cool, I've done some of it. Probably would be cosidered obsessive force however.

I really prefer human weapon.

Human weapon gives you the history, culture, multiple training methods, and even specific techniques on each style they explore.

Fight Quest just shows you two guys getting wailed on for an hour.

When Human weapon did Krav Maga:
-They trained with a guy who helped develop the earliest styles used by European Jews to defend themselves against mobs during the holocaust.
-Became the first western Camera Crew to film inside of the IDF headquarters.

In Fight Quest they introduced us to a pretty badass trainer, (her name was something like Avaviv) and other then that didn't teach you much about Krav.

I'm also skeptical of the authenticity of the "training" they go through in Fight Quest. In one episode one of them supposedly went to the final fight with a potentially career ending injury. I highly doubt tearing your leg muscle every week is an efficient way to improve your fighting abilities.