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View Full Version : Whiners - I say Atta Boy!


sparrow803
11-08-03, 08:44 AM
CNN) -- After complaints from parents and students, police in Goose Creek, South Carolina, defended their decision Friday to send a team of officers, some with guns drawn, into a high school earlier this week for a drug raid that turned up no drugs.

The Berkeley School District north of Charleston, South Carolina, also defended its role in the incident, which has triggered outrage among some in the community.

Stratford High School students described Wednesday's incident as frightening.

"They would go put a gun up to them, push them against the wall, take their book bags and search them," Aaron Sims, 14, told CNN affiliate WCSC. "They just came up and got my friend, not even saying anything or what was going to happen. ... I was scared."

Sims said his mother was "a little angry," but his father understood and "thought it was necessary."



Lt. Dave Aarons of the Goose Creek Police Department said the raid, the first the department has done at a school, followed a police investigation into drug activity that began after a student informed school staff about drug sales on school property.

Police monitored video from school surveillance cameras for several days and "observed consistent, organized drug activity," he said. "Students were posing as lookouts and concealing themselves from the cameras."

When the principal saw more of the same suspicious activity on the school surveillance video, he asked for the officers to respond, Aarons said.

On Wednesday, 14 officers went to the school "and assumed strategic positions," he said.

Within 30 seconds, officers had moved to "safely secure the 107 students who were in that hallway," Aarons said. "During that time some of the officers did unholster in a down-ready position, so that they would be able to respond if the situation became violent."

"The school also designated faculty to secure the hallway to keep other students from entering," Aarons said.

Anytime narcotics and money are involved he said there is "the reasonable assumption that weapons will be involved. ... Our primary concern was the safety of the students (and) everyone else involved."

'School had no knowledge that weapons would be drawn'
Aarons said "12 to 14 students" were placed in handcuffs or plastic flexcuffs "due to their failure to respond to repeated police instructions to get on their knees with their hands on their heads," after one of the lieutenants explained to the students what was going on.

A canine unit was brought in and the dog responded positively to 12 book bags, which were then searched by school officials, said David Barrow, secondary school supervisor for the Berkeley School District. But no drugs were found and no arrests were made.

"The school had no knowledge that weapons would be drawn," Barrow said. "We understand students' and parents' and the community's concerns about this particular search. We will work internally and with local law enforcement to be sure these issues are addressed."

Still, he said, the school was concerned about possible drug sales on campus, and believed action was necessary.

Jared Weeks, 14, told WCSC that police were aggressive.

"They kind of pushed us against the wall and started searching us," Weeks said. "I didn't think all that was called for."

Weeks said he was "kind of nervous," but not scared "because I didn't have anything to hide."

He said there are a lot of drugs in the school, but that this sort of raid was unnecessary. "There is certain people that you know sell drugs," he said. "They could have just searched those people."

Aarons said police believe the drug-dealing students were tipped off.

"I don't think it was an overreaction," he said of the raid. "I believe it was one tactical method by which we could safely approach the problem to ensure that everybody was safe."

He said the incident is being reviewed, as is every police operation.


Jynkxxie
11-08-03, 09:26 AM
Again, I feel that they could have used other less than leathal weapons in this search. I don't know how I would feel about having a gun shoved in my kids face. I feel the search was justified, and based upon the comment above, even the handcuffs I feel were justified. Just because you are a teenager doesn't mean that you don't have to follow a police officer's instructions. Drugs don't belong in school (or anywhere for that matter) and the principle was doing his job to ensure that and to send a message to those kids that this is a serious issue.

Just my 2.

sparrow803
11-08-03, 09:58 AM
I wonder if there isn't more to the story, like maybe they suspected guns at the school, I don't know.


Jynkxxie
11-08-03, 10:04 AM
Could very possibly be.

txinvestigator1
11-08-03, 02:32 PM
I saw the video and it disturbed me. My daughter would be out of that school, and I would have to contemplate litigation.

Norm357
11-08-03, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by txinvestigator1
I saw the video and it disturbed me. My daughter would be out of that school, and I would have to contemplate litigation.


Ditto

EricTheBald
11-08-03, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by txinvestigator1
I saw the video and it disturbed me. My daughter would be out of that school, and I would have to contemplate litigation.


I agree.

ESPECIALLY because it would be SO easy to just evacuate the students in the middle of class, having them leave their bags at their desks.

Jynkxxie
11-08-03, 07:03 PM
I was thinking the same thing, why didn't they just do this class by class, student by student. It would have kept them better contained, and they could have gone thru them one by one, while other officers checked the lockers.

However, some kids DO bring guns to school, what are the police supposed to do, just go in there thinking that no one will have a gun, and that no one will try to use it on them. I understand we are talking about teenagers here, but they have shocked us before.

I need to see this video.

zander_zye
11-08-03, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Jynkxxie
I was thinking the same thing, why didn't they just do this class by class, student by student. It would have kept them better contained, and they could have gone thru them one by one, while other officers checked the lockers.

However, some kids DO bring guns to school, what are the police supposed to do, just go in there thinking that no one will have a gun, and that no one will try to use it on them. I understand we are talking about teenagers here, but they have shocked us before.

I need to see this video.

There was no mention of any guns anywhere on the video or in the news story (both written and broadcasted). This was merely a drug bust. No drugs or weapons were found.

Just based on the video and the news story, I think that this Principal needs to find another line of work.

Jynkxxie
11-08-03, 07:11 PM
Yeah I guess I need to see this video. Cuz everything else is just common sense to me.

dizza
11-08-03, 11:58 PM
The article stated that the guns were in the down ready position, not in anyone's face. I myself as an officer in that situation wouldn't trust any of those kids. Everyone seems to agree that drugs are present there at the school. And like the article pointed out, when you have drugs, you usually have a gun. I'm sure that this whole thing could of been handled with a few stings with undercover explorers or something. Rather than trying to get 100+ students to obey your commands.

David