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Prison wardens have been urged to show respect to inmates by knocking on cell doors before going in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/24/nprison124.xml

Good grief

rotflmao - hahahaha geez that is funny.

Called them by their preferred names.. wow. Might as well make them wear suits and a tie as well.

Two of the main recommendations were that "staff should routinely knock before entering cells, except in emergencies", and that "staff should address prisoners by their preferred names".

I am guessing that this would mean what the staff prefers to call them. If not, I guess I would have to seek gainful employment elsewhere. And when they tell you to fu** off when you knock on the door, I would also guess that you are supposed to just walk off and come back later. It's friggin morons like this (the famale inspector of prisons) that are the ills to society today. If you want to be all feely touchy with people, get a job in a friggin day care center, or become a psychiatrist. Who really gives a rats *** that these prisoners are not being treated with respect? As long as they aren't being abused they need to suck it up and take what's coming their way. I mean if they were really about the respect thing, they wouldn't be where they are now. Respect the laws of the land and we won't have a problem. Respect is something that is earned, and as far as I'm concerned, I have never met a scumbag that was locked up that was deserving of such. Only thing good about this article was that it did not originate in the U.S.A. At least not yet. Just my .02 . Rant over.

You dont like correctional staff in your living space, dont get sent to prison.

It does not get better. I go to prison frequently to produce prisoners to be arrested and questioned. In a local private prison they refuse to let us carry our batons and CS spray inside the prison. When they go to get our prisoner, they ask him if he is coming out today. If the answer is no, they come and tell us that Billy Burglar is not playing out today.

And what happens when you have a warrant to arrest or produce one of the prisoners, do they still play that game with you?

And what happens when you have a warrant to arrest or produce one of the prisoners, do they still play that game with you?

That is exactly what they do.

That is exactly what they do.


That is really crazy. I can't say I treat an inmate badly. I treat them like an adult, that acts like a child. The way inmates are treated these days (like they are helpless children that society forgot about) makes me sick though. It is ridiculous that an inmate that is in prison for the rest of his life can get 2 BA's, and I have to work at a prison because I can't afford to finish school, and to think they cry when they only get 4 sugars for there coffee.:mad:

WellAdvised

Next time they try that, maybe they should be reminded about the law about interferring with a peace officer and obstruction; especially if they are private companies.


People need to start respecting CO's more, and remember WHY some of those people are in prison (its not a reward for winning the Model Citizen Award)

WellAdvised

Next time they try that, maybe they should be reminded about the law about interferring with a peace officer and obstruction; especially if they are private companies.


People need to start respecting CO's more, and remember WHY some of those people are in prison (its not a reward for winning the Model Citizen Award)

I would not dare give advice to WellAdvised about how to handle things in Great Britian since I am not familiar at all with their laws, customs, policies and procedures.

I do know, however, how it works in the corrections system in the United States. If you think a street cop can just prance into the state prison and order an inmate be produced, you have another thing coming.

Once those inmates are remanded to the Department of Corrections, they are OWNED by the Department of Corrections.

You have all sorts of hoops to jump through before you are allowed inside to even interview an inmate, let alone attempt to arrest and remove.

Somebody has been watching too many movies and/or television if they think a street cop or detective can just bulldog their way into the joint.

If you are given persmission to go interview an inmate, you cannot take your weapon, knife, pager, cell phone, handcuff keys, or over $20 cash into the Arizona DOC secured facilities. They even make you turn your tape recorder on and off before you go through the metal detector. You have to remove your badge, belt, pens, shoes, and jewlery. The officers go through your breifcase, and/or file looking for prohibited objects like staples or paper clips, but will not scan your documents.

If you do not agree with this, you do not go inside their prison.

I think he (explcdt8) was commenting on prisoners being given the option to refuse to leave the facility. No one can argue with jails and prisons enforcing restrictions on weapons and other items being brought inside. Their house is their house.

We've had refusals from prisoners in some of the jails we contract with. We'll let it go, to a point (frankly, because it means one fewer mutt we have to babysit all day).

If we have a court order, however, we're coming in, and he's coming out. There's simply no other option, in that case.

You have all sorts of hoops to jump through before you are allowed inside to even interview an inmate, let alone attempt to arrest and remove.

Somebody has been watching too many movies and/or television if they think a street cop or detective can just bulldog their way into the joint.

If you are given persmission to go interview an inmate, you cannot take your weapon, knife, pager, cell phone, handcuff keys, or over $20 cash into the Arizona DOC secured facilities. They even make you turn your tape recorder on and off before you go through the metal detector. You have to remove your badge, belt, pens, shoes, and jewlery. The officers go through your breifcase, and/or file looking for prohibited objects like staples or paper clips, but will not scan your documents.

If you do not agree with this, you do not go inside their prison.

We have some similar rules I think. We have to complete a long report outlining our case for producing the prisoner and get their prison governor to authorise it . The Governor is the boss in all matters relating to their prison, and every prison can have different rules if they want. They decide if our case is strong enough, and also whether our belt kit can go in with us. Our other local prison is state run, and they will ensure the customers that have been authorised for production, are there, ready to go :D

In Pa we try our best to co-operate with Police Officers, we do make them remove weapons, pagers, cell phone, business cards, etc.

If a copper needs to see a prisoner at the Hall (Old City Hall Courthouse in Toronto) he has to leave his weapon in one of the gun lockers outside the cells area. The officer is then taken to a room and we bring the prisoner to him. Cops do not wander around our cell area.

Things at the Hall have changed dramatically when cameras were put everywhere. It almost gives our custodies free reign to act up because they know everything is on camera. However the Don Jail doesn't have cameras and the CO's there don't take any ****e

I was a CO at ADC when the "Knock and Announce" came into play. It started off to be a 2-5 second warning before a male CO walked into a female pod (and specifically NOT vice versa) and got blown out of porportion quickly.
Personally, I saw it as a 2-5 second warning to hide contraband.

We don't have that "rule" where I am now ... God Bless the county jail!

If we have a court order, however, we're coming in, and he's coming out. There's simply no other option, in that case.

Yes, Sir, I agree that a valid court order to remove an inmate will be honored, but you still have to jump through the hoops of prior notification to DOC.

There is no way one of those correctional officers, supervisors or wardens are going to let you just show up, produce ID and a court order, then crack the sally port and let you go in to grab a state inmate. It does not matter if you are USMS, FBI, ATF, state, county or city police.

Do you, by chance, remember the "domestic terrorist" incident in southern Arizona a few years ago in which a rail road track was sabotaged resulting in a large derailment? I worked for the Criminal Investigations Unit at ADOC at the time when a couple of suits from the FBI showed up to conduct an interview with an inmate. All they wanted to do was come in and have a secured, quiet place to question the guy, and it still took several hours before they could make it in because they had not made prior arrangements, even with me going to bat for them and assuring the warden I would escort the agents. (If I had not spoken in the agent's behalf, I am sure they would have been turned away and attempted the interview at a later date after a formal request went through HQ in Phoenix.)

Now, trying to show up with a court order, unannounced and not going through the DOC legal department to remove an inmate would be interesting to watch if the agents insisted on surrender of the inmate. I suppose they could threaten to arrest the custodial warden refusing to produce the inmate, but the inmate would not be released until the proper channels had been gone through. Guaranteed.

I smirk a little when I watch TV or movies in which a city detective marches into a prison like he owns the place and is allowed to go talk to an inmate in a cell, or get the inmate released to the detective’s custody. It don't work that way in real life. A whole lot of paperwork and signatures would be needed.

When I was in our homicide unit, we wanted to go interview an inmate in Nevada in regards to a cold case. It took several phone calls, faxed memorandums and hoops to jump through before permission was granted. Par for the course.

Prisoner = One who is in prison
In prison = no right to privacy

Am I missing something?

Prisoner = One who is in prison
In prison = no right to privacy

Am I missing something?

Yup


ACLU, Al Sharpton, and so on= Making prisoners feel all cozy...

Most prisoners dont care about their privacy until it benefits them and gives them something to complain about. I've booked intoxicated inmates who as soon as I take them to a cell they are dropping trow to emply their bladder... before I can even close the door (moreso females than males). But then when I do my rounds and look through the door to make sure they haven't hanged themselves, I get accused of trying to "sneak a peek" and they want to file a complaint.

As far as I'm concerned prisoners have too many rights as it is... I'm expected to treat them the same way cops might treat a citizen on a traffic stop. F' that! That doesn't fly with me, I treat prisoners individually based on their behavior. If you give the cop a hard time during the arrest and transport... I might give you a window of opportunity to show me you're not a worthless, steaming pile. But close that window, and theres no reopening it. On the other hand, come in, call me "Sir" or "Officer", answer my questions, and don't talk **** about the officer that arrested you, and I'll be as nice to you as I can. On the other hand... I don't do favors for anyone, regardless of their behavior.

Its bad enough our local courts don't back us at all when it comes to charging people with crimes committed while in our jail. We had a turd throw a 20 pound steel camera stand at an officer in our jail and the judge refused to charge him with the felony assault charge for assaulting a police officer. Now the officer only received minor scrapes to his arm (injury or not the guy should have been charged), but had he not blocked it wth his arm, he'd likely have suffered serious damage to his eye and face. I guess on the bright side, that tool did get to "Ride the Lightning" a few times :)

But, I digress

The things I take time to read these days... :rolleyes:

Yup


ACLU, Al Sharpton, and so on= Making prisoners feel all cozy...

Wait, I've just had an epiphany...

Perhaps if Al Sharpton were in prison....he could make them feel cozy in a variety of ways :D