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gfex81
06-21-07, 05:10 AM
can anybody tell me what kind of privileges do i have as a federal employe. do i have access to military bases to shop? can my children go to school on base? i hope the feds got some privileges.... also need some help, if there's any co's from coleman, florida area, is there any good places to live..... thanks...


Ironhead
06-21-07, 05:16 AM
As an employee of the BOP, you get a pretty nice retirement package and standard Federal benefits, but I am pretty sure that is it.

The only non-military Federal employees that have access to military Bases that is similar to Military personnel are DOD employees assigned to that post. They have some general access to other bases as well. (I belive this is accurate, but there may also be others)

Switchback
06-21-07, 05:55 AM
You get to handle lots of federal prisoners.

If you want to get the benefits of military personnel... VOLUNTEER FOR THE MILITARY. :) There are exceptions and some of us feds get CAC cards that give certain benefits, but it is because of our neccessity in supporting certain military missions.


Norm357
06-21-07, 08:44 AM
can anybody tell me what kind of privileges do i have as a federal employe. do i have access to military bases to shop? can my children go to school on base? i hope the feds got some privileges.... also need some help, if there's any co's from coleman, florida area, is there any good places to live..... thanks...

WHy should you be special simply because you work for the BOP? Want acess to a Military base, do what I did. JOIN THE MILITARY.

I can't believe this question was asked.:rolleyes:

smcc360
06-21-07, 09:08 AM
While on TDY to a military facility, I was fortunate enough to be afforded the benefit of shopping in the PX, and to avail myself of certain other amenities. This isn't a routine occurrance, however, and I doubt I could drop into Fort Wadsworth or West Point and start throwing my weight around.

I'm told that there is some way in which federal civilian pay grades correspond to military rank. However, I'm also told that this is strictly an administrative measure, and confers no actual command authority. What effect this would have on children receiving schooling on a military base, I have no idea (though I'd imagine it would have none whatsoever).

In short, I wouldn't advise making any fed civvie employment decisions based on the privileges afforded servicemembers; they're two vastly different worlds.

Norm357
06-21-07, 09:25 AM
This post is still pissing me off.:mad:


Ohhhhhh, I work for the BOP. Im special. :rolleyes:

Group9
06-21-07, 09:44 AM
As an employee of the BOP, you get a pretty nice retirement package and standard Federal benefits, but I am pretty sure that is it.

The only non-military Federal employees that have access to military Bases that is similar to Military personnel are DOD employees assigned to that post. They have some general access to other bases as well. (I belive this is accurate, but there may also be others)

I've never had any problem getting on any military base with my federal 1811 credentials, and I've been let into a few O-clubs with them, when I was meeting military officers at them for one reason or another, but it doesn't get you much else. The only place I have been where my credentials alone let me buy things at the PX has been Guantanamo Naval Station. But, I'm not sure there eve are any non-military stores at Gitmo, since I don't ever remember seeing one. :D

If working at BOP is anything like where I work, you will quickly find that federal service places a whole lot more limitations, than privileges, on your behavior, and there are a lot less things you can do now, than you could before.

Big Sexy
06-21-07, 10:01 AM
can anybody tell me what kind of privileges do i have as a federal employe.

The privilege of knowing you're providing a valuable service to both your commmunity and country. Oh yeah, you're getting paid for it, isn't that enough?

Switchback
06-21-07, 10:19 AM
Oh... and did I mention you get to handle LOTS of federal prisoners?

:D

ud22206
06-21-07, 12:26 PM
Oh... and did I mention you get to handle LOTS of federal prisoners?

:D




HAHA

gfex81
06-21-07, 01:37 PM
thanks for the comments. i'm not worried about the prisoners.. i've been a corrections officer for 4 years working in the worst prison in florida so i know i can handle the bop. the reason why i'm asking is because my fathers friends work for the feds and have access to the base and kids can go to school on my base...thanks...

Norm357 This post is still pissing me off.


Ohhhhhh, I work for the BOP. Im special.


if you don't like the post than don't read it....lol....it's that easy.... go to a dod post and let the feds talk....

Switchback
06-21-07, 01:56 PM
thanks for the comments. i'm not worried about the prisoners.. i've been a corrections officer for 4 years working in the worst prison in florida so i know i can handle the bop. the reason why i'm asking is because my fathers friends work for the feds and have access to the base and kids can go to school on my base...thanks...

Norm357 This post is still pissing me off.


Ohhhhhh, I work for the BOP. Im special.


if you don't like the post than don't read it....lol....it's that easy.... go to a dod post and let the feds talk....

Your father's friend has access for ANOTHER reason. Believe you me, being a BOPer does not afford you a whole lot of "privileges". Let's just say that they are not the highest ranking agency on the fed food chain.

...and you really should settle in a bit before copping an attitude. You may find the site much more enjoyable (and receptive).

SSA1811
06-21-07, 03:17 PM
As smcc360 stated the Federal civilian pay grades correspond to military rank for administrative purposes only:

GS-11 = 2nd Lt.
GS-12 = 1st Lt.
GS-13 = Captain
GS-14 = Major
GS-15 = Lt. Colonel

I have only seen this used in room assignments in the BOQ (Bachelor Officers Quarters): higher grades = larger rooms while lower grades = smaller rooms and occasionally no air conditioning. For example, when you have overnight training on a military facility. As Group9 stated, your Creds can also get you into the "O" (Officers) Club also. These are the only "privileges" I am aware of.

Most BOQ's will also allow you to "rent" a room on a space available basis even when you are travelling on personal business. I have never done this, but know Agent's who have gotten very, very nice accomodations in San Diego, CA and Newport, RI very inexpensively. FYI .....

Vorpal
06-21-07, 04:36 PM
You can find the actual table in here: http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r210%5F50.pdf

Section 3.2 or thereabouts. It's a bit different than what was posted above.

SSA1811
06-21-07, 07:17 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have been coordinating multi-day training sessions at various military installations for a number of years, and have relied on the information provided by the Base Housing Personnel which I posted here.

However, thanks very much to Vorpal for his/her link. Based on the information in it I stand very much corrected, and now feel my personnel may have been getting "screwed" in terms of quality of accomodations. Imagine putting up with and trying to explain to approximately a dozen people why their rooms were not air-conditioned when everyone elses were ..... As you all may well know, when you try to explain that its based on "seniority", the newer personnel do not want to hear any of that because to them seniority is a dirty word!

For those who do not want to wade through the 248 page US Army document, the following grade/rank equivalents are presented in it:

GS-1 thru GS-3 = E-1 thru E-3 = Private thru Private First Class
GS-4 = E-4 = Corporal or Specialist
GS-5 = E-5 thru E-6 = Sergeant thru Staff Sergeant
GS-6 = E-7 thru E-9 = Sergeant First Class thru Sergeant Major
GS-7 = O-1 = 2nd Lieutenant
GS-8 thru GS-9 = O-2 and CW2 = 1st Lieutenant/Chief Warrant Officer 2
GS-10 thru GS-11 = O-3 and CW3 = Captain/Chief Warrant Officer 3
GS-12 = O-4 and CW4 = Major/Chief Warrant Officer 4
GS-13 thru GS-14 = O-5 and CW5 = Lieutenant Colonel/Chief Warrant Officer 5
GS-15 = O-6 = Colonel

My apologies for passing on mis-information, and thanks again to Vorpal for correcting it. I consider this an object lesson about just listening to Base Housing Personnel instead of doing the research myself years ago. Please keep in mind that these equivalents are still just for administrative purposes only. (Gee, I could have been getting a two or three room suite at the BOQ!!!)

lax854
06-21-07, 07:27 PM
This post is still pissing me off.:mad:


Ohhhhhh, I work for the BOP. Im special. :rolleyes:

hmmm...well norm does have a point. Norm is surely an OUTSTANDING member of this site :p His opinion is his opinion. As you have posted, he decided to post back. Good job norm, you pissed another one off :D

RT302
06-21-07, 08:15 PM
FLETC did an export class out to the West Coast at a naval base a few years ago. We were told specifically that we had ZERO PX/ Commissary/ Class 6 privileges. I was raised an Army brat and kept my dependent ID until I was 23and knew what we were missing out on, BUT, the GI's earned those privileges and I ain't one to dispute it. If I had wanted to retain the base privileges from my youth, I would have enlisted or accepted the ROTC scholarship I was offered. I didn't, so therefore, I don't get to partake....

Having a federal commission does not equate to serving in the military, so as has been said before, there are not any privileges of which you ask....

smcc360
06-21-07, 08:26 PM
GS-11 = 2nd Lt.
GS-12 = 1st Lt.
GS-13 = Captain
GS-14 = Major
GS-15 = Lt. Colonel



GS-1 thru GS-3 = E-1 thru E-3 = Private thru Private First Class
GS-4 = E-4 = Corporal or Specialist
GS-5 = E-5 thru E-6 = Sergeant thru Staff Sergeant
GS-6 = E-7 thru E-9 = Sergeant First Class thru Sergeant Major
GS-7 = O-1 = 2nd Lieutenant
GS-8 thru GS-9 = O-2 and CW2 = 1st Lieutenant/Chief Warrant Officer 2
GS-10 thru GS-11 = O-3 and CW3 = Captain/Chief Warrant Officer 3
GS-12 = O-4 and CW4 = Major/Chief Warrant Officer 4
GS-13 thru GS-14 = O-5 and CW5 = Lieutenant Colonel/Chief Warrant Officer 5
GS-15 = O-6 = Colonel

Nice! I'm promoted two ranks in just two posts! At this rate, I'll be running the Joint Chiefs in no time. ;)

Norm357
06-21-07, 08:45 PM
thanks for the comments. i'm not worried about the prisoners.. i've been a corrections officer for 4 years working in the worst prison in florida so i know i can handle the bop. the reason why i'm asking is because my fathers friends work for the feds and have access to the base and kids can go to school on my base...thanks...

Norm357 This post is still pissing me off.


Ohhhhhh, I work for the BOP. Im special.


if you don't like the post than don't read it....lol....it's that easy.... go to a dod post and let the feds talk....

Keep up the attitude sport, and you won't last long here. Have some red for the "tude".

SSA1811
06-21-07, 08:47 PM
Hi smcc360,

Your Administrative promotion will get you a much better table in the cafeteria at the Pentagon, the next time you are there!

YankeeFan004
06-22-07, 12:26 AM
I am sure another privileges for working for the BOP is a nice shiny pair of hand cuffs, maybe even a hand cuff key. I would hang on to that one cause they may come in handy. LOL

Switchback
06-22-07, 03:01 AM
Hi smcc360,

Your Administrative promotion will get you a much better table in the cafeteria at the Pentagon, the next time you are there!

Actually, it got me some pretty nice treatment and nicer quarters while traveling in and out of the nice vacation spots here in the mid east. On both occasions it equated to pretty VIP treatment.

bluelightzgrl
06-22-07, 09:05 AM
I am sure another privileges for working for the BOP is a nice shiny pair of hand cuffs, maybe even a hand cuff key. I would hang on to that one cause they may come in handy. LOL

Dang it! I knew I was missing out on something!! The ones I got issued aren't shiny... :rolleyes::p
Then again I'm just an 83, low on the totem poll of life. ;)

Vorpal
06-22-07, 03:00 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have been coordinating multi-day training sessions at various military installations for a number of years, and have relied on the information provided by the Base Housing Personnel which I posted here.

However, thanks very much to Vorpal for his/her link. Based on the information in it I stand very much corrected, and now feel my personnel may have been getting "screwed" in terms of quality of accomodations. Imagine putting up with and trying to explain to approximately a dozen people why their rooms were not air-conditioned when everyone elses were ..... As you all may well know, when you try to explain that its based on "seniority", the newer personnel do not want to hear any of that because to them seniority is a dirty word!

For those who do not want to wade through the 248 page US Army document, the following grade/rank equivalents are presented in it:

GS-1 thru GS-3 = E-1 thru E-3 = Private thru Private First Class
GS-4 = E-4 = Corporal or Specialist
GS-5 = E-5 thru E-6 = Sergeant thru Staff Sergeant
GS-6 = E-7 thru E-9 = Sergeant First Class thru Sergeant Major
GS-7 = O-1 = 2nd Lieutenant
GS-8 thru GS-9 = O-2 and CW2 = 1st Lieutenant/Chief Warrant Officer 2
GS-10 thru GS-11 = O-3 and CW3 = Captain/Chief Warrant Officer 3
GS-12 = O-4 and CW4 = Major/Chief Warrant Officer 4
GS-13 thru GS-14 = O-5 and CW5 = Lieutenant Colonel/Chief Warrant Officer 5
GS-15 = O-6 = Colonel

My apologies for passing on mis-information, and thanks again to Vorpal for correcting it. I consider this an object lesson about just listening to Base Housing Personnel instead of doing the research myself years ago. Please keep in mind that these equivalents are still just for administrative purposes only. (Gee, I could have been getting a two or three room suite at the BOQ!!!)



Very glad to help.

gfex81
06-22-07, 03:03 PM
well once again thanks for the comments.... i guess i'll lay low now because Norm357 doesn't like the post and my so called attitude... well thats my opinion. :p.... hahaha i won't last long here. oka. have a nice day.

Creeker
06-23-07, 03:13 AM
My wife works for the Post Office.... I see she is the equiv. of a 2nd Looey... I'm going to run down here to the Airbase and demand my PX privileges as a dependant.... :rolleyes:

Us Fed dependant's have to stick together on this... :p

Super Six 5
06-23-07, 03:29 AM
I was raised an Army brat and kept my dependent ID until I was 23and knew what we were missing out on, BUT, the GI's earned those privileges and I ain't one to dispute it.

I had one of those yellow cards too :)

According to the equivilency chart, I'm an SFC on my way to being a Sgt. Major. That's hott.

Big Sexy
06-23-07, 04:04 AM
well once again thanks for the comments.... i guess i'll lay low now because Norm357 doesn't like the post and my so called attitude... well thats my opinion. :p.... hahaha i won't last long here. oka. have a nice day.

If only BIG could hit with red twice. :(

That would learn you.

bluelightzgrl
06-23-07, 06:08 AM
well once again thanks for the comments.... i guess i'll lay low now because Norm357 doesn't like the post and my so called attitude... well thats my opinion. :p.... hahaha i won't last long here. oka. have a nice day.

I saw your snide attitude with Norm the first time around. I almost even commented, but I thought nah... he may not have ment it that way. Well yea you may want to pipe down and lay low. There is no reason to take an attitude that fast on here.

red sent.



If only BIG could hit with red twice. :(

That would learn you.

Consider it taken care of. ;)

RangeHunter
06-23-07, 02:23 PM
Hard to shake the Jagoff stigma once you have it.......good luck. Only privledge you should expect is the privledge of your job. If you EXPECT more than that your in the wrong profession.

Frogdiver
06-23-07, 03:19 PM
:oGuys and Gals, forgive my ineptness, I sent him green instead of red. Not because of personal hatred, I just think he needed it. Kinda like when the old man used to smack me upside the head every now and then. Could somebody fix it for me?:o

Creeker
06-23-07, 03:25 PM
:oGuys and Gals, forgive my ineptness, I sent him green instead of red. Not because of personal hatred, I just think he needed it. Kinda like when the old man used to smack me upside the head every now and then. Could somebody fix it for me?:o


We need to get with RealPolice and see if the tart bar can expand across the screen instead of just getting redder.

...and maybe some sound effects of slapping could give us a little gratification when we mark a knucklehead... :rolleyes:

Switchback
06-23-07, 03:31 PM
There is neither a need to stoop to his level and start name-calling, nor any reason to publicly request others to give negative rep (rep should be a personal decision.. not a means to gang up on others).

Thanks.