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mintone
02-10-07, 02:40 PM
I would like to know if any Police Officer Organization would hire me with my record. I am currently going though the review process with the NYPD and I have a DCAS (review by a board) date of 14 February 2007.

The positive aspects of my background is that I am a 42 year old Black Male, an honorable discarged Veteran of the Marine Corps (1986-1990), current member of the United States Army Reserves (1997-Present), My job in the Marine Corps was Legal Service Specialist (Paralegal), and my job in the Army Reserves is Military Policeman, and Legal Service Specialist. I have been employed with my job with the New York City Transit Authority since 1990, and I have been married since 1986 (separated for 4 years) and have three children.

Now to the negative.......I was arrested in NYC in 1984 for DWI (my first arrest), I paid a $350 fine and was released. My second arrest was in NC while I was in the Marine Corps in 1988 for DWAI, I paid a fine and was released. From there I arrested in 2005 for Gun Possesion. A hand gun was found on my property (in a house I was living in with my girlfriend). She found the weapon when we were building in the attic. She wrote a statement to that fact and because of my good record for 16 years the charge was broken down to a misdemeanor. I pled guilty to the charge to get back to work after being out for almost a year, and to not go to jail.

All thoughout my life I have lived it a certain way because I always wanted to become a Police Officer. I had problems with bad decisions and alcohol when I was a much younger man because I was stupid. I don't blame anyone but myself and accepted the pain that was connected with it. I never ever did drugs because of my upbringing and the dangers of usage. No pot, cocaine, or anything. The past mistake with the gun was a series of events beyond my control becuse I never owned a gun a day in my life (besides the military). I never allowed guns in my house because of the kids and the plain illegality of the whole situation. I have tried to become a Police Officer all my adult life, but was turned down because of my driving record. After all the time that elaspes since my last arrest this latest thing comes up.

My question is should I try to procede with a career in Law Enforcement with my record, or should I just give up (something I don't do). Also is their any academy I can join or anything I can do to try and prove myself and is their any department big or small that would consider a person with my record? Any response to this thread would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


Valor55
02-10-07, 02:46 PM
You have a lot of time since your DWI stuff so that probably won't hurt you anymore.

The 2004 charge is recent enough to be a concern. Just be honest about it and let them sort it out.

Even if it doesn't disqualify you, you may struggle being competitive with guys who have never been charged with a crime.

mintone
02-10-07, 02:49 PM
Thanks for your input. I appreciate your response.


txinvestigator1
02-10-07, 03:03 PM
Your GF turned YOU in to the police for a gun she "found" in the attic in a rental house, and you were charged?

mintone
02-10-07, 03:15 PM
We were having an argument and the next door neighbor called the police when he heard "gun". My GF said ".....and you better take that gun out of here because I will tell them it's yours". She said it out of anger but it still hurt me just the same. I was going to bring it in the the Police Department the night before (when it was found) but it was so close to me going to work (10pm to 6am) and I didn't know how long it would take, and didn't want to be late for work. We both agreed to put it out of the house and that I would return it in the morning when I got off of work. When I got oof that morning we got into that argument and that's when all the trouble started.

finn
02-10-07, 07:19 PM
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mcsap
02-10-07, 08:22 PM
OK, how bad is your driving record ? ( not counting the 2 old DUI's)

mintone
02-12-07, 02:43 PM
My driving record is not all that great. Not that I'm not a good driver, but I made mistakes. I have had some seat belt violations (2), a couple of red light violations, and a few more. All have been satisfied and are a more than a few years old. I have made amends for my past, but I wish I could stress this point to anyone seeking a career in Law Enforcement KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN, IT WILL FOLLOW YOU FOR LIFE!

mintone
02-12-07, 02:46 PM
I would love to work for the LAPD if just for the change in climate, or just to relocate. Most of all to become a Police Officer. Do you know if I can apply with my age (42 yrs old)? Thanks for the encouragement Finn!

mintone
02-12-07, 05:25 PM
A lot of people have came to and read this thread, but have not left an opinion or response. Please any advice in any form (positive or negative) would be greatly appreciated. Take a sec and leave a response.

Thanks all!!

LA5150
02-12-07, 05:31 PM
I would love to work for the LAPD if just for the change in climate, or just to relocate. Most of all to become a Police Officer. Do you know if I can apply with my age (42 yrs old)?

I don't believe there is an age limit anymore. Here is the link to the recruiting site for LAPD:

LAPD requirements (http://www.joinlapd.com/qualifications.html)

GoDirectly2Jail
02-12-07, 05:41 PM
From another LE board:

"Crystal Ball" questions are difficult to respond to. For example, some members post a lengthy autobiography followed by the question: "Do you think I have a chance to get into law enforcement." The answer to a question like this one is simple: No matter who you are and what you've done, nobody can answer this type of question with any degree of certainty. Often times your likelihood of getting into the profession boils down to things like written and oral communication skills, knowledge of the ins-and-outs of the hiring process, the type of position you're seeking, "who you know," and other factors. Your best bet is to contact the agencies you're interested in and ask them directly.

txinvestigator1
02-12-07, 05:46 PM
A lot of people have came to and read this thread, but have not left an opinion or response. Please any advice in any form (positive or negative) would be greatly appreciated. Take a sec and leave a response.

Thanks all!!

OK. That sure seems like a lot of drama in your life. As a recruiter, that would worry me.

nypd7748
02-12-07, 09:51 PM
First off thank you for your service.

I believe however you are too old for the NYPD. Maximum age for hire is 35. People in the military can add up to 6 years. That would make the age 41. Maybe an active MOS can correct me if things have changed.

jvale00
02-13-07, 10:30 AM
I think your going to have problems in the background portion. The best you can do is be upfront and honest with any investigator. Better to be DQ'd for honesty than dishonesty. Some departments focus primarily on your last 5 years while others go waaaaay back. I'd apply for a larger department that has a lot of openings. Your age my also be an obstacle. What about probation or parole? Any of those things interest you?

Good luck.


OR you can be a fireman - They'll take anyone!
:D

Josh2006
02-13-07, 02:21 PM
MPDC has no max age limit. However, you probably wouldn't pass the background investigation.

You may want to look into another line of LE with much more relaxed requirements.

Big Sexy
02-13-07, 02:48 PM
I am a 42 year old Black Male

BIG SEXY isn't picking on you, he really isn't. It's just that you are another one to post the, "Can I Get Hired" question, with a reference to your race. BIG picks on the white guys for it and will pick on the black guys, latin guys, asian guys, etc, etc for the same thing.

If you have a question, just ask it. Your race nor ethniticity will have no bearing on the answers you recieve from the officers of this forum. We are all ethnic groups, races, religions, genders, political parties and jurisdictions. You will get no favor nor privilege from us by including your race.

The sooner we start defining ourselves by who we are, instead of by the color of our skins, our ethnic groups, our religious or political affiliations, the better we'll be as a society.

Thank you for your attention and time.

BIG SEXY, a proud Nuyorican-American or is it American-Nuyorican? ;)

finn
02-13-07, 03:12 PM
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LA5150
02-13-07, 03:47 PM
While I agree with what BIG SEXY said about race/ethnicity, I think that BIG SEXY is being hypocritical - the concern should not just be about the COLOR of one's skin, but also about the SIZE. From now on, he should just be called SEXY - because like race/ethnicity, size is something that most people cannot change.

As far as being SEXY, everyone knows that anyone can achieve Maximum Sexy if they tried, unlike ethnicity or size. Sexiness is something like a goal everyone should be trying to attain - kinda like Nirvana or something - you know, everyone wants to be in the band Nirvana.

Ummmm.... :confused:

Are you joking with Big Sexy? It's hard to tell without a smiley face or two.

finn
02-13-07, 06:37 PM
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LA5150
02-13-07, 10:26 PM
I've never used those smiley face things. I don't really want to start, because then I'd have to print them out and carry them around with me, when I could just use my face or hand gestures.

Okay, but we can't see that through the computer and nuances are impossible to detect here without some help from the little emoticons. So, you run the risk of people misunderstanding your meaning and giving you some red tarts for it.

And since your rep is now glowing red, I think that may have already happened.

vengeance05
02-13-07, 10:56 PM
3 arrests: 1984 for DWI, 1988 for DWAI and 2005 for Gun Possession
6+ moving violations (you did not elaborate)

"I have tried to become a Police Officer all my adult life, but was turned down because of my driving record. After all the time that elaspes since my last arrest this latest thing comes up."

The latest thing being a weapons charge in 2005? Multiple arrests and tickets don't show that you've wanted to be a police officer your whole life. Your paralegal and military experience is positive but your traffic/criminal record is long and consistent. I can't imagine you would pass a background investigation even for a large police department.

It sounds like there is more to the weapons charge that you're not telling us. What state was this in, what is the Misd it was reduced to, what are the real circumstances? If this happened in New York were you charged with Felony count of Criminal Possession of a Weapon 3* and plead to a Misd count of CPW 4*?

The NYPD allows you to to apply no later than your 41st birthday (35 without active military service) You said you are going though the review process with the NYPD. Are you saying that you are a current applicant that was placed "on review"? What position did you apply for with NYC DCAS?

Your chances of getting into law enforcement are slim to none, in my opinion.

Big Sexy
02-13-07, 10:58 PM
First of all, allow BIG SEXY to extend his gratitude to those who have defended me, with a barrage of red. It is appreciated as the show of solidarity it represents.

With that being said, BIG SEXY took Jinn's post as a joke. Initially he was taken aback, but when BIG read it in detail, he found it to be quite a funny piece of satire. Without the smiley faces or other characters, it is hard to gauge, but BIG SEXY gave Jinn the benefit of the doubt and even sent green Jinns' way.

Once again, thank you for the show of support. But for now, let's give the new person the benefit of the doubt. ;)

mintone
02-25-07, 03:45 AM
Thanks LA5150 for your post and I have went to the site for the LAPD and was concerned about out of town applicants. I live in NYC and would go to LA for the hiring process but was concerned about how many times it would take. Again thanks!

mintone
02-25-07, 03:53 AM
Thanks GoDirectly2Jail for your response to my question. I wrote it in the form that I did just to give the reader a brief background history to see if any automatic DQ exist. I wasn't looking for an definitive answer to my question. I know anyway I go about it, it will be an uphill battle. Just looking for advice. Again thanks for the time you took to answer my question.

mintone
02-25-07, 04:06 AM
Thanks Txinvestigator1 for your response. I know this whole thing that I want (a career in LE) is a long shot and I am gonna stay strong with hope. I know that my background would trouble even the smallest agency, but with perseverance, honestly, and hard work I am hoping to prove myself worthy. I have been through a lot of drama in my 42 years and I seek to convince all that I am deserving to join their ranks. Again thanks for your input in my dilemma.

cntryboy0531
02-25-07, 04:07 AM
I know here, with the recent gun charge, you would not be hired at my agency. However, I'm not familiar with the gun laws of other states, I'd like to know how posession of it in your residence is a Felony, or a crime in general, unless you are a convicted felon, or there are other circumstances behind the charge?

mintone
02-25-07, 04:13 AM
Thanks NYPD7748 for your response. I was put on review and was under the impression that since I applied and was within the guidelines when put there I could still gain entrance. I could be wrong. As far as applying and taking a test on a normal basis (being 42 years of age), without being put on review you are correct. Again thanks for your post.

mintone
02-25-07, 04:26 AM
Thanks jvale00 for your response. My background is definitely going to be an obstacle to overcome. I have always tried to be as honest as possible and take whatever was coming to me (good or bad). I have integrity and utilize it all the time. As you stated some agencies did focus on things that happen way back and I don't frown on that practice. Drinking and driving is a serious offense, but I had hoped that my latter accomplishment would have overshadowed my past mistakes. After all the time that had past I thought I would have a better chance, then this gun charge comes up. I will continue to apply (large or small departments) until I feel I've exhausted all resources. Probation and Parole do appeal to me but Police Office would be ideal. Again thanks for you time and response.

mintone
02-25-07, 04:29 AM
Thanks for you reply Josh2006. All information is helpful. Again thanks!

mintone
02-25-07, 04:53 AM
Thanks BigSexy for you response and I did not feel that you were picking on me. My stating that I am a Black male was not done to gain favor or influence. I am a Military Man and Public Servant for the City of New York and probably come in contact or deal with as many "ethnic groups, races, religions, genders, political parties and jurisdictions" than you or any one else. I do not use my race as bargaining point or crutch get anything I want. I would like to think I get it on the positive content of my character. You wrote "The sooner we start defining ourselves by who we are, instead of by the color of our skins, our ethnic groups, our religious or political affiliations, the better we'll be as a society." in my opinion thats a partially correct statement because we are defined by "who we are" partially by race. As far as better off as a society we should recognize all the differences in people, but be smarter as a whole not to categorize anyone by them. To be more respectful, and sensitive to the differences in people would go more farther than to just not admit whats really there. Again thanks for your post and I hope that I expressed myself without offense. :)

mintone
02-25-07, 04:59 AM
To LA5150 regarding Finn's comment. I believe Finn does have an unusual way of expressing himself but I do not believe he is offensive. In a weird way I agree with him...............I think???? :)

mintone
02-25-07, 05:48 AM
3 arrests: 1984 for DWI, 1988 for DWAI and 2005 for Gun Possession
6+ moving violations (you did not elaborate)

"I have tried to become a Police Officer all my adult life, but was turned down because of my driving record. After all the time that elapse since my last arrest this latest thing comes up."

The latest thing being a weapons charge in 2005? Multiple arrests and tickets don't show that you've wanted to be a police officer your whole life. Your paralegal and military experience is positive but your traffic/criminal record is long and consistent. I can't imagine you would pass a background investigation even for a large police department.

It sounds like there is more to the weapons charge that you're not telling us. What state was this in, what is the Misd it was reduced to, what are the real circumstances? If this happened in New York were you charged with Felony count of Criminal Possession of a Weapon 3* and plead to a Misd count of CPW 4*?

The NYPD allows you to to apply no later than your 41st birthday (35 without active military service) You said you are going though the review process with the NYPD. Are you saying that you are a current applicant that was placed "on review"? What position did you apply for with NYC DCAS?

Your chances of getting into law enforcement are slim to none, in my opinion.

Thanks for you input Vengeance05 and to answer some of the questions you asked I start with a statement. I have wanted to become a Police Officer all my life but made a lot of bonehead, youthful mistakes. I blame a lot to youth, but accept all responsibility because I should have known better. Hindsight is 20/20 and had I known what I know now, I would have accomplished all my goals by now.

To try and answer your question I was arrested in Nassau, NY for weapon possession (a felony) and I pled to a misdemeanor. I don't know the degrees offhand, but what you wrote sounds correct. To add more details than in my original statement it was found in the attic by my girlfriend and instead of taking it to the Police Station that night I put it in the yard. I was running late for work and decided to take it to the Police Station in the morning. I didn't know how long that process would take, and didn't want to risk being late. When the morning came and I got home she and I got into a dispute and she told me to take the gun with me (something that I had planned to do anyway) or she would call the police to report it. A neighbor heard this dispute and called the Police except he added things that was not said. When the Police arrived they found the weapon in my yard where I put it the night before and arrested me. After I was arrested she realized that she was wrong to raise her voice and mention gun but it was too late. After all she was the one who actually discovered it. I only moved it to the yard because I thought I was making my home safer. I never owned a weapon in my life (except in the military).

As far as the NYPD is concerned I took the test a few years ago when I was within the age limit (Jan of 2007 I turned 42) and was on review all that time. It took years to get to the DCAS point. My position with DCAS is over, I didn't find a lawyer within my budget and my character witnesses couldn't make the "final" date they gave me. I felt I couldn't properly put up a reasonable defense and withdrew. That being said I'm currently seeking Departments with no age limit and continuing to pursue my dream. I know my chances are slim to none but with that slim possibility comes hope and thats what I'm riding on now.

Thanks for your response it was greatly appreciated.

mintone
02-25-07, 06:01 AM
Thanks for your reply Cntryboy0531 and to answer your question the incident happened in Nassau, New York (Long Island) and the handgun was not mine meaning it was not registered to me. Possession of a handgun/firearm of any type without registration is a felony in New York. I am not a Felon and basically thats the story. Thanks for time and input.

Lawson
02-25-07, 11:47 AM
Wrong thread

mintone
03-06-07, 06:16 PM
Well good luck in your trainng anyway!

cntryboy0531
03-06-07, 06:40 PM
Thanks for your reply Cntryboy0531 and to answer your question the incident happened in Nassau, New York (Long Island) and the handgun was not mine meaning it was not registered to me. Possession of a handgun/firearm of any type without registration is a felony in New York. I am not a Felon and basically thats the story. Thanks for time and input.

Even though it was plead to a Misd. you were still charged with a Felony. It's not the same as a conviction of a felony, but you will most likely not be getting into Law Enforcement anytime soon with that recent conviction on your record. The only thing I can recommend is putting more time in between the incident, and applying (Your going to need years), and try again.

vengeance05
03-07-07, 01:31 PM
Possession of a handgun/firearm of any type without registration is a felony in New York.

Possession of an illegal handgun is a Misd. There had to be an aggravating factor to make it a Felony.


The only thing I can recommend is putting more time in between the incident, and applying (Your going to need years), and try again.

He is past the age requirement to reapply with NYPD.

tiger6088
03-07-07, 05:10 PM
I am in the LAPD out of town expedited process now. You will have to travel to LA twice. The first will involve:

- written essay test, physical ability test (day one)
- background interview, polygraph (day two)
- oral boards, psychological written (day three)

If successfull on this first endeavor, you will be invited back for another three days of testing (midical exam, psych interview, others).

If you have more questions about expedited testing, PM me.