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What do you guys think of the recent thousands of illegals taking to the streets in different cities like LA and Chicago who are marching against the new bill on Illegal immigration that makes it tough on employers and illegals currently in the senate?

I think our Government should take advantage of the easy pickins' and roll in Bus after Bus.............. then roll them out.

I think we should be tough on illegals currently in the Senate.

More importantly, we should be tough with Senators on Illegals.

Me personally, I have no problem with these people wanting a better life. I think our current problem is to get legalized it's difficult, and I almost think it's purposely difficult because this way big corporations won't have to pay legal workers what they're due. I think we should make it easier to become a citizen so these people are paying taxes, learning the language, we know WHO they are etc. But I'm afraid most of our government is in bed with big business.

Me personally, I have no problem with these people wanting a better life.
I have a problem with them. They slap us in the face figuratively when they choose to break the law. They disrespect our right as a sovereign nation to choose who we let in. They're no different than someone who breaks into a residence IMO. Just ask some if the people who now doesn't have a hospital near because it shut down or farmers scared to venture onto their property because there might be an illegal who'll assault them. How about asking me, who pays taxes to support the illegals who come here, break the law and get locked into prison. Before we place all of the blame on government or big business let's remember that they have a part in the "illegal" too.

Being the grandson of (european) immigrants, I have mixed feelings. If an immigrant is willing to work hard and be responsible (pay taxes, try to improve themselves, etc), more power to them!

Maybe it boils down to better identification procedures and formal channels... "Welcome to the US. Pay x amount in taxes over the next 2 years and you can stay. Get arrested, and you're deported." But all that requires massive amounts of federal money to check and oversee. I don't really have any good solution.

Bottom line here is they're the ones working the fields here. Legal vs Not, Ideals and ideologies aside: Republican/Democrat/whomever wants to keep cheap prices they want those cheap workers. Every morning US farm owners go and get truckfulls of cheap labor. They and the rest of the consumer market want cheap labor, they don't want to spend more money.





Not one single person on this planet let alone this board had their blood lines start in north america.

Bottom line here is they're the ones working the fields here. Legal vs Not, Ideals and ideologies aside: Republican/Democrat/whomever wants to keep cheap prices they want those cheap workers. Every morning US farm owners go and get truckfulls of cheap labor. They and the rest of the consumer market want cheap labor, they don't want to spend more money.





Not one single person on this planet let alone this board had their blood lines start in north america.
I would gladly spend extra money to keep out illegals. Me and millions of other Americans. If not then why all the pressure on Congress? You can make the point about none of us being from here all you want but illegal is illegal. :rolleyes: Take a look at our prison system, looks like some of them aren't on the farm after all.

I understand the frustration, guys, but it's obvious that we're way too far behind to catch up now, and the government won't devote the resources to removing the illegals already here, so why not have them identified and paying taxes? I understand there is a lot of bad they bring with them, but I've met a lot of hispanics who were very hard workers, if they pay taxes and will speak the language then I welcome them. But unfortunately they bring a lot of gangs and a lot of drugs and violence with them as well. I was watching a documentary thing couple nights ago on LA gangs, and everyone they interviewed was hispanic, and most likely not here legally, thats sad and they should be removed.

Not one single person on this planet let alone this board had their blood lines start in north america.

Oh I beg to differ!!:)

DCLAW is correct. For people who come into this country LEGALLY, I have no ISSUE. But ILLEGALS flooding into the country, then march on Los Angeles and Chicago so they can become LEGAL? Well let me roll out the WELCOME MAT, set out some fresh TORTILLAS. :confused:

IMMIGRATION will be an issue until CONGRESS has the BALLS to stand up and say NO. NAFTA was a joke, not make illegals immigrants Legal .... :eek:

Bottom line here is they're the ones working the fields here. Legal vs Not, Ideals and ideologies aside: Republican/Democrat/whomever wants to keep cheap prices they want those cheap workers. Every morning US farm owners go and get truckfulls of cheap labor. They and the rest of the consumer market want cheap labor, they don't want to spend more money

It'd be damn interesting to see figures which compare monies saved for the cheap labor, vs monies paid for the free education/health care/lawyers etc that's shelled out to Illegal Workers and their families. Money that I pay in taxes and they don't.

It'd be damn interesting to see figures which compare monies saved for the cheap labor, vs monies paid for the free education/health care/lawyers etc that's shelled out to Illegal Workers and their families. Money that I pay in taxes and they don't.


I'd agree 100% with you, but it isn't stoping the farmers from picking up the workers everyday.

Oh I beg to differ!!:)


Tom even our 'native americans' started out where every homosapien did. There is one species of human living today and all of our bloodlines started in and around the mideast.

Walk down the street & wave the Mexican flag... Great way to get the support of the American proper huh? I'm sorry, we just dont need any more poor uneducated people here sponging off the system. Let them wait in line with eberyone else who wants to come here. They should not be rewarded for breaking the law. I've heard all the gloom & doom predictions. I favor sending every last illegal home & seeing what happens.

I'd agree 100% with you, but it isn't stoping the farmers from picking up the workers everyday.
Thats why we need to start putting them in jail. If everyone is too scared to employ illegals then they'll have to mosey on across the border.

Walk down the street & wave the Mexican flag... Great way to get the support of the American proper huh?
yeah I was taken back by similar photos in our paper.

The farmers would dang well quit picking them up everyday if they had the threat of 25 years in prison.

If we want these laws to work, the penalties need to be swift and harsh.

Tom even our 'native americans' started out where every homosapien did. There is one species of human living today and all of our bloodlines started in and around the mideast.

I disagree with your above statement. Your statement is based on pure academic study of science and anthropology.

These people should not be given any type of chance to become citizens. The millions of people waiting to come here the right way should recieve those benifits.

yeah I was taken back by similar photos in our paper.
Thats what I don't get. If they're so proud of the ****hole why did they leave it?

I disagree with your above statement. Your statement is based on pure academic study of science and anthropology.
I was going to say that it was based on pure devotion to one system of faith. Seriously though, it is true that many "original" americans came from across the Bering Straits or from further south, back when continents were much closer to each other. But I don't know that you could say NONE of them were indigenous.
I agree with those who want illegal immigration to remain just that...illegal. I don't care where my ancestors came from, they came here the right way.

There is nothing wrong with legal immigrants. They pay taxes like everyone else and I am for it 100%. After all as DC Law said most (if not all) of our ancestors immigrated to North America at some point. When my ancestors came to eastern Canada from Ecclefechan, Scotland in 1835 they did it by the book. The problem with the illegals is that they come in and work under the table and pay no taxes. They also commit crime and spend time in jail. This puts a huge burden on the legitimate tax payers of a country. I can't believe that some states actually give out drivers licence's to illegals. What is the deal with that? As for this plan to grant all the current illegals legal status. That is just rewarding bad behaviour and they will start coming over in even bigger numbers. Even though I don't live in the US I can understand the frustrations. Build the damn fence and hire more border officers.

I can't believe that some states actually give out drivers licence's to illegals. What is the deal with that?
Amen!! Not only drivers licenses but vehicle registration, business licenses, and now there is a bank that has a special program set up to give them home loans. I was under the impression that it was already a crime under USC to do anything that made it possible for an illegal alien to remain illegally in the US! Let's start enforcing that before we add more unenforced fluff to the books. :mad:

Me personally, I have no problem with these people wanting a better life. I think our current problem is to get legalized it's difficult, and I almost think it's purposely difficult because this way big corporations won't have to pay legal workers what they're due. I think we should make it easier to become a citizen so these people are paying taxes, learning the language, we know WHO they are etc. But I'm afraid most of our government is in bed with big business.

I am not against people from other countries coming here for a better life - just so long as they do it legally. I know how hard it is for someone to learn another language, such as english, gain citizenship, and become a contributing and positive part of this society, but why should it be easy?? My mother did it years ago from South Korea and is proud of her U.S. citizenship.

Earlier I heard someone mention "lets Identify them, so they can pay taxes" ... If it was so easy to identify them, why dont we Identify them and toss them on a bus?

and now there is a bank that has a special program set up to give them home loans.
:eek: why not just slap the cuffs on them when they come in for their meeting with the bank manager. It doesn't make sense that CBP and ICE work day and night trying to keep illegals out or get them out and other agencies are welcoming them with open arms.

To keep illegals out you need the full support of congress and the executive. Seems like Bush supports the McCain/Kennedy proposal so it could be tough getting the funding for more enforcement.

Earlier I heard someone mention "lets Identify them, so they can pay taxes" ... If it was so easy to identify them, why dont we Identify them and toss them on a bus?
Identifying them to pay taxes and identifying them to deport them are two different things, I don't see anyone volunteering for the ladder.

I never understood how they are Illegal Aliens? it sound's like they are from the planet Pluto and unhuman,enigma. I would rather use the term ''unauthorized persons''.They were here before Anglo Saxons,Asians,Africans and so on (They are a mixture of Euro-Spaniard and Native). We live in States that have Spanish names and Cities with Spanish Names/Streets/Parks/ ect.Maybe your patrol car has a spanish word painted or written on it.:p

I understand that since the 70s certain districts of cities accross United States have changed in crime and quality of life due to "unauthorized persons" who bring thier way of life which is far from the Modern American lifestyle, resulting American residents to move elsewhere away from this "foreign lifestyle". This kinda situation causes a place for other "unauthorized persons" to dwell and spawn in the area, thier offspring then become invovled in crime therefore bringing property value and quality of life significantly low. So it's not so much the actual "ILLEGALS" or as I like to call them "unauthorized persons" that initiate crime, it's thier offspring and the life they are exposed too. This is called poverty, and it will never change until a good chance for advancement or progress is executed by these individuals.

Unfortunately, not many now American youth do not use all available resources to become successful in life, and choose to be cool and listen to gangster rap and wish to drive a 2005+ Escalade, and hope for a better job but do nothing. I do not support in building a Wall as our border, I think this shows how scared the U.S. is, I support in more U.S. border patrol Officers or military patrol monitoring our nations territories that are near neighboring countries it is a necessity in these times of war and threat of terrorist cells.

I wish more police could see and acknowledge the hardworkers from the crime workers, usually you can see them driving on the street, a beat up 1978 Chevrolet CK-1500 with a couple of lawnmowers in the back and a SINALOA sticker on the rear window, while the passanger wears a red trucker hat and is sweaty from a few hours of hitting the garden, of a Los Angeles District Attorneys backyard. These people aren't trouble makers they're self employed and keep themselves busy. While they're sons or daughters are driving a 1993 Honda Civic with tinted bubbled windows and ugly aftermarket rims and clear rear light assemblys,driving to thier homies house to smoke marijuana or drink and plan to commit a crime.

We have the resources and knowledge, now lets use them correctly. We need more defense!

I never understood how they are Illegal Aliens?
You've got to be kidding, right? They are breaking the law being here. Hence the term illegal.:rolleyes: Take that PC crap that your teacher spouts and think for yourself.

I wish more police could see and acknowledge the hardworkers from the crime workers, usually you can see them driving on the street, a beat up 1978 Chevrolet CK-1500 with a couple of lawnmowers in the back and a SINALOA sticker on the rear window, while the passanger wears a red trucker hat and is sweaty from a few hours of hitting the garden, of a Los Angeles District Attorneys backyard. These people aren't trouble makers they're self employed and keep themselves busy. While they're sons or daughters are driving a 1993 Honda Civic with tinted bubbled windows and ugly aftermarket rims and clear rear light assemblys,driving to thier homies house to smoke marijuana or drink and plan to commit a crime.

As many times as it has been hashed out already, I'll repeat it ONE MORE TIME.

Entering the United States without citizenship or Visa is ILLEGAL.

Staying within the borders of the United States without citizenship or Visa is ILLEGAL.

Not paying taxes on money made within the United States is ILLEGAL.

Being in the United States ILLEGALLY while making money and not Paying Taxes is ILLEGAL.

Unfortunately, Liberals such as YOURSELF, make it easy for Illegals to STAY within the borders and receive the benefits of our Government without paying taxes for said services. I can only imagine receiving Free Healthcare and Foodstamps at the expense of the tax paying citizen.

What a wonderful thing to know that a non-citizen/ILLEGAL Alien/Undocumented Worker/Unauthorized Person :rolleyes: can receive more stuff, and have more stuff to send back to their home country........

at my expense; The apparent Arshole Tax Paying Citizen.

December 11, 2005 - Officials of the Blagojevich administration have announced a controversial new program that will give help to poor people and to undocumented immigrants who want to buy homes.

The "opportunity I-loan" program was announced at a news conference Sunday.
The state will finance 30-year mortgages at below-market interest rates. Poor and immigrant families will be able to get the mortgages-- even thought they may not have social security numbers or traditional credit histories.

"Governor Blagojevich's opportunity I-loan program is the opportunity for many families in Illinois to fully participate in our communities where they could not participate before," said Kelly King Dibble of the Illinois Housing Development Authority. -Channel 7 News

Thanks Rod,

Hey, where's my loan? I want a $1,650,000 home but can't afford it but I'm entitled to it right?

I never understood how they are Illegal Aliens? it sound's like they are from the planet Pluto and unhuman,enigma. I would rather use the term ''unauthorized persons''.They were here before Anglo Saxons,Asians,Africans and so on (They are a mixture of Euro-Spaniard and Native). We live in States that have Spanish names and Cities with Spanish Names/Streets/Parks/ ect.Maybe your patrol car has a spanish word painted or written on it.

Who cares who was here first, America is here now and rules are rules. I'm sure there is a McDonald's in Germany, but does that give me the right to sneak into their country and protest until they give me everything I want?

You want the adventure of a lifetime?? Try this-

Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind immigration laws, visas, etc.

Once there, demand the local Mexican government provide you with free medical care.

Demand free bilingual forms, bulletins, etc.

Demand a local Mexican driver's license.

Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.

Only in America...land of the liberal and bleeding hearts!

Im not a Liberal, im Democrat.

Im not a Liberal, im Democrat.Why that's the funniest uncorrection I've ever heard!

Im not a Liberal, im Democrat.
So it's no wonder why you're for something that only spells disaster for the USA! Thanks for clearing that up. :rolleyes:

Im not a Liberal, im Democrat.


Same-same in my book!!

Email your senators guys to show your disgust, I've already emailed both.

As many times as it has been hashed out already, I'll repeat it ONE MORE TIME.

Entering the United States without citizenship or Visa is ILLEGAL.

Staying within the borders of the United States without citizenship or Visa is ILLEGAL.

Not paying taxes on money made within the United States is ILLEGAL.

Being in the United States ILLEGALLY while making money and not Paying Taxes is ILLEGAL.

Unfortunately, Liberals such as YOURSELF, make it easy for Illegals to STAY within the borders and receive the benefits of our Government without paying taxes for said services. I can only imagine receiving Free Healthcare and Foodstamps at the expense of the tax paying citizen.

What a wonderful thing to know that a non-citizen/ILLEGAL Alien/Undocumented Worker/Unauthorized Person can receive more stuff, and have more stuff to send back to their home country........

at my expense; The apparent Arshole Tax Paying Citizen.




You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acreature again.


Good post. :) I especially like the part about how you are the bad person if you complain about illegals getting a free ride. All of us are evil haters who want the poor people in other countries to suffer since we won't let them in here. :rolleyes:



I'm not a Liberal, I'm Democrat

Liberal and Democrat tend to be used interchangeably because liberals are very progressive and want welfare and free things for everyone. Most Democrats are liberals. That is just the way the party leans, to the left.
Conservatives and Republicans tend to used interchangeably, again, because that tends to be the way they lean on political issues, to the right.

Liberal and Democrat tend to be used interchangeably because liberals are very progressive and want welfare and free things for everyone. Most Democrats are liberals. That is just the way the party leans, to the left.
Conservatives and Republicans tend to used interchangeably, again, because that tends to be the way they lean on political issues, to the right.

To each his own, I just belive in what is right, I don't really agree on anything being free without hardwork and dedication.

I never understood how they are Illegal Aliens? it sound's like they are from the planet Pluto and unhuman,enigma. I would rather use the term ''unauthorized persons''.They were here before Anglo Saxons,Asians,Africans and so on (They are a mixture of Euro-Spaniard and Native). We live in States that have Spanish names and Cities with Spanish Names/Streets/Parks/ ect.Maybe your patrol car has a spanish word painted or written on it.:p



Do you have any idea how hard it is and has been for me, someone who has been born and raised in America, to get recognized as a Cherokee Indian in this country?

Enough said.

Others have said the same thing I'm about to, but I'll share my opinions as a legal citizen who knows illegal Mexican and Canadian immigrants.

American colors are red, white, and blue. Not red, white, and green. This is America, not North Mexico or South Canada. If you are illegal and want me to feel sympathy and empathise with your situation, show me that you're proud of this nation and that you support it, its ideals, laws, and customs. Go ahead and march, there are way too many of you for us to stop you, but please, at least march with the red, white, and blue and signs showing your hope to be a United States citizen. Yet you still march proclaiming your pride for Mexico and disrespect everything I hold dear.

Both sides of my family immigrated legally to the United States in the 1860's from Ireland. I am proud of my Irish heritage and am proud to wear green and support the green, white and orange flag, however, I have a red, white, blue one right next to it and only join in marches on St. Patrick's day. Knowing my heritage and learning of several others I can say that all groups of immigrants faced hardships, disrespect, and discrimination at the very least at one point in our nation's history. However, those groups immigrated legally and were proud to be Americans. Stop complaining about your hardships as immigrants if you didn't immigrate legally.

It makes me sick that my taxes go to give you free healthcare, schooling, housing, and everything else. Especially when I have to wait hours on end in a hospital because there are eighteen illegal immigrants in front of me (true story). Then I get stuck with a $1,200 bill and have to listen to the hospital staff complain about you and how it also makes them sick that the government is picking up the bill.

Like I said above, it goes for Canadian immigrants and any other immigrant who arrives illegally. Please, don't mis-interpret this post as anti-mexican or anti-canadian. I am simply anti-illegal immigrant. I have known illegal mexicans and canadians who were both hard working, kind, and respectful to all people. However, I've never had a problem sharing my views with them or anyone else. If you're illegal, you're illegal. Disrespect the laws and proceedures my family followed to gave me the great life I now have and you've disrespected me.

-Proud American

To each his own, I just belive in what is right, I don't really agree on anything being free without hardwork and dedication.
Then you're at odds with just about your whole party, by being a Democrat.

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This story just keeps getting better. Today at Montebello High School (Los Angeles County) they flew the Mexican flag above the American flag. The American flag was upside down.

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I thought you didn't like them called illegal.

This story just keeps getting better. Today at Montebello High School (Los Angeles County) they flew the Mexican flag above the American flag. The American flag was upside down.


http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

If someone wants to fly another flag, fly it on your own pole..... Or go back to the country that you think is so great, that you need to fly their flag.

This story just keeps getting better. Today at Montebello High School (Los Angeles County) they flew the Mexican flag above the American flag. The American flag was upside down.

I would pay money just to be able to take that flag and cut it into little 4 inch squares to be used as toilet paper. I have no problem with legal immigrants. I say good riddance to illegals, and I hope our immigration laws only get tougher. I am sick of paying their taxes.

This story just keeps getting better. Today at Montebello High School (Los Angeles County) they flew the Mexican flag above the American flag. The American flag was upside down.


I'm speechless.

I will never welcome an illegal nor support allowing an illegal to become legal. My ancestors came here the right way--through Ellis Island. They passed medical screenings, criminal background checks, and demonstrated that they could learn the language and customs of America and support themselves here.

I will always welcome other legal immigrants who come here that way. But I will not accept or welcome people who sneak into this country like thieves and then break law after law while they are here while at the same time they refuse to learn our language or adpot our culture. Most of the illegals from Mexico and El Salvador want to remain Mexicans and Salvadorans, not become American. They just want the money that they can send back to their countries and meanwhile they've turned parts of many of our cities into Spanish-speaking barrios where Americans are neither welcome or safe. Now it's so bad that in some parts of this country their kids outnumber the American kids in the schools that we pay for.

Legal immigrants, si. Illegals, Hell no!

They did criminal background checks at Ellis Island? This is an honest question ... I didn't think they would have the capabilities to do that back then.

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Senior Camaro,

I've had about as much of your dribble as I can take. How are they illegal? Please!!

I never understood how they are Illegal Aliens? it sound's like they are from the planet Pluto and unhuman,enigma.


An alien is someone who is foreign to the place where they are not just from another planet. Before I became a citizen I was a legal alien with a green card.

I have two big problems with illegal immigration.

1. It has already been said by anyone with just an ounce of common sense...they are here ILLEGALLY. Plain and simple. Why they are here does not matter. They have blatantly disregarded our laws by sneaking across our border.

2. This is my big problem. The statements being made by the "activists" are a reflection of our society today. They ask - "Who will mow your lawn or deliver your paper?" My son will, and if I do not have a son, the neighbor boy will. "Who will watch your kids?" The nice teenager down the street, and if it is during the day when she is in school, the daycare center. "Who will flip your burgers?" My kids and their friends. "Who will pick your fruit?" Why not have ex-cons do it. Why not have it as a job for people who really, really want to work, but gosh, can't find a job so they need to stay on unemployment for a year or two. "Do you really want to pay more for goods and services?" Yes. If I have to, I will gladly pay more just to know that my goods and services were made, picked, flipped and delivered by hardworking AMERICANS.

Just like past generations, our kids need to be doing those jobs that "no one else wants to do". Why? Because they suck. They make you want to get a better job. They make you want to do something with your life. They also help you develop those morals and values that are so lacking in society today.
I started out doing chores for my parents. Cleaning cars, mowing lawns, etc. etc. My first "real" job was at a bagel shop doing deliveries and making bagels. Did I want to do it? Hell no, but I did. I showed up every day, on time, and did my job.

How do we deal with this? Hire more border security. Build a wall 1,000,000 feet high. I want my country more secure than Fort Knox. I don't care how this looks to other countries. I want to know that people are not allowed into the U.S., or out of it for that matter, without consent.

Make the fines for hiring or employing illegals very hefty. Isanely hefty. Like WTF hefty.

Ship the illegals out. Will it be tough? Yes. But nothing that is right is easy. It is meant to be difficult. Do not send them to jail. We do not need them to clog up our jails as well. If they really want back into the U.S. have them wait in line like everyone else. Like DC, my great grandparents came through Ellis Island. They paid their dues, learned the language and became proud citizens.

Is all of this possible? Definitely. Well, maybe not the 1,000,000 foot high wall.
Is it probable? Not until we stand up and make our voices heard.

By NANCY BENAC, Associated Press Writer
Sun Apr 2, 5:35 AM ET


WASHINGTON - A slim majority of Americans are open to allowing undocumented workers to obtain some sort of temporary legal status to remain in the United States, with stronger support for the idea among Democrats, younger adults and more educated Americans, a new poll finds.



Overall, 56 percent of Americans favor offering illegal immigrants a shot at some kind of legal status; roughly two-thirds of those ages 18-34 like the idea and an equal share of those with a college education agree, the AP-Ipsos survey found.

While Democrats were more likely to support temporary worker status, with 62 percent favoring the idea, even among Republicans there was majority support, by a narrower 52 percent, according to the poll.

The AP-Ipsos survey of 1,003 adults was conducted Tuesday through Thursday, as debate swirled in Congress over a proposal that would legalize many illegal immigrants in the United States and expand guest worker programs for an estimated 400,000 immigrants each year.

Two-thirds of Americans think illegal immigrants fill jobs that most Americans don't want, the poll found.

But the survey found greater ambiguity on whether illegal immigrants are good or bad for American society, on balance. Fifty-one percent said illegal immigrants mostly make a contribution to society, and 42 percent said they were mostly a drain.

Likewise, there was deep division on how serious a crime it should be enter the country illegally. Fifty-one percent thought it should be considered a "minor offense" and 47 percent considered it a "serious criminal offense."

Americans were skeptical that erecting a fence along the border with Mexico would reduce the number of illegal immigrants — two-thirds doubted it would work.

The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

seems like most of the people just want them to fill jobs they think Americans won't do.

Funny, because I mow lawns during the summer but it makes it harder and harder because illegals are starting to charge peanuts to do a lawn. This is how it starts and its only going to get worse. I know plenty of people who do jobs "americans wouldn't want":rolleyes: and they seem to be doing just fine.

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Sunday he wants a full Senate vote on an immigration bill this week and believes that urgent action is needed despite sharp divisions over whether proposed legislation would amount to amnesty.

"There are 3 million people every year coming across our borders illegally. We don't know who they are; we don't what their intentions are. We absolutely must address it," said Frist, R-Tenn. "I hope by Friday that we will have a bill on the floor that is comprehensive."

A chief sponsor of a House bill, meanwhile, also called on the Senate to avoid deadlock so lawmakers in both houses can start work on reaching a compromise "for our national security and our economic well-being."

"No bill will end up being the worst of all possible worlds," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. "This will be tough, and it's the toughest thing that I've done in 37 years in elective public office. But it is an important priority."

The Senate Judiciary Committee last week approved a bill aimed at strengthening enforcement of U.S. borders, regulating the flow into the country of so-called guest workers, and determining the legal future of the illegal population scattered across all 50 states.

The Senate version, which passed 12-6 in committee and was broadly endorsed by President Bush, goes further than the House bill that imposes criminal penalties, proposes building a fence along the borders and is limited to enforcement.

Still, several lawmakers, including Frist, have criticized as unacceptable the Senate provisions that would let illegal aliens already in the U.S. seek citizenship without returning to their home country, paying fines and learning English.

Saying that issue was the "fundamental question," Frist said Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition" that he believes the final Senate version will address ways to provide eventual legal status to some of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.

"I don't think we should legislate a track that gives a privileged status to people who broke the law," Frist said. "If somebody is here and they're a felon or multiple misdemeanors or somebody who is not working, someone who has been here for a year ... yes, I think they'd have to go back home."

Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., predicted the full Senate will approve the committee's bill and doubted that some Republicans will try to stage a filibuster to block it.

"It would be political suicide for our party to filibuster a comprehensive solution to a real problem facing America," Graham said on "Fox News Sunday." "It would be political suicide to ignore there's 11 million people, illegally undocumented, who are trying to work and add value to our country."

Sen. **** Durbin of Illinois, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, said it is "conceivable" the Senate will reach consensus but called the House bill unacceptable. Allowing illegal aliens already here to seek citizenship is necessary since deporting millions of workers is unrealistic, he said.

"People will have to demonstrate that they're working hard and they're paying taxes, that they have no criminal record," said Durbin, who appeared with Sensenbrenner on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"Some will be able to meet these requirements; some will not. But it's the only way to bring people out of the shadows and have a system consistent with American values," he said.

Two-thirds of Americans think illegal immigrants fill jobs that most Americans don't want, the poll found.


seems like most of the people just want them to fill jobs they think Americans won't do.
Sure. You go ahead and believe that. You buy into polls all you want. Let me ask you this: When the media wants to poll a question about gay marriage and then they go to several street corners in San Fransisco and ask the poll question do you think the poll represents a "majority" of Americans?

Sure. You go ahead and believe that. You buy into polls all you want. Let me ask you this: When the media wants to poll a question about gay marriage and then they go to several street corners in San Fransisco and ask the poll question do you think the poll represents a "majority" of Americans?



I don't believe it based on what I've read on other websites. Besides with enough facts you can prove anything. I'm sure the people they asked were probably the people at the protests

I think the only reason why anyone does want the illigal immigrants is for the cheap labor like it says in the article. When my family came here from the UK we had to go through legal channels. Though I'm sure my dads bosses helped the process go faster.:D

I say lets buy the Great Wall from China and put it on the Mexican Border.:D

I don't believe it based on what I've read on other websites. I think the only reason why anyone does is for the cheap labor like it says in the article. When my family came here from the UK we had to go through legal channels. Though I'm sure my dads bosses helped the process go faster.:D
The politicians won't push the issue because half of them like the businesses getting cheap labor and the other half see a voting block to cater too. Meanwhile the people who live here get crapped on. The standard of life will go down, the quality of medical care will go down, taxes will go up, and crime will go up. If the bill the Senate proposes makes it into law and 10 - 20 million people gain amnesty the rest of their families will make a mad dash here before (if they ever are) borders are secure. The immigrant population here will explode, estimated to be 5 - 10 times the number now.

[QUOTE=mxwelch]The politicians won't push the issue because half of them like the businesses getting cheap labor and the other half see a voting block to cater too. QUOTE]


This is why we need new politicians.

"Who are you calling an illegal immigrant, Pilgrim?"

"Who are you calling an illegal immigrant, Pilgrim?"
I hope that was a joke because if it isn't it the worst excuse I've heard to date for letting people break the law.

Being the grandson of (european) immigrants, I have mixed feelings. If an immigrant is willing to work hard and be responsible (pay taxes, try to improve themselves, etc), more power to them! .

I don't think that most people have a problem with immigrants, especially those who work hard. But I beleive that you are confusing immigrants with ILLEGAL immigrants. Illegal aliens are, by definition, law breakers who should not be here.

Liberal and Democrat tend to be used interchangeably because liberals are very progressive and want welfare and free things for everyone.....

That may be PROGRESSIVE to Dems but it's pretty REGRESSIVE to the United States!:D

I thought you didn't like them called illegal.

I like flip flopping...:cool:

I like flip flopping...:cool:
So I've noticed. Is your last name Clinton or Kerry?

I saw one of the illegals interviewed on CNN the other day. The reporter said "so what do you and other illegals want" and the women replied with "we are not illegals, we are just in search of a better life" :eek: . I don't think these people even get it. Being an American, doesn't it piss you off to see people crowding the street with Mexican flags and throwing up gang symbols knowing they will most likely become citizens? What have they done to deserve it. Jump the border, sell drugs, not pay taxes.

What do you do though. It would be impossible and costly to deport all of them. Not to mention they will just come back. Before anything is changed I think border security needs to be enhanced 10 fold. Like Welch said if this bill comes into effect you'll have everyone and his dog coming over.

Of course there are jobs that Americans wont do and immigrants will. But legal immigrants can do those jobs. Up here when I worked as an immigration officer in the airport I saw hundreds of east indian immigrants come through. These people work out in the farmers fields 15 hours a day for about $8 an hour. Would I do that work? Not a chance but it needs to be done and they will do it. Immigration is important for any country but it only works if they pay into the system as well. For every illegal immigrant working there is a small (very small) percentage of every legitimate workers paycheque that gets absorbed into oblivion.

Of course there are jobs that Americans wont do and immigrants will. But legal immigrants can do those jobs.


I don't have a problem with the worker program, I understand its purpose. What I have a question about is, I keep reading about people saying "oh, we can't get rid of the illegals, who else is going to work our fields, provide cheap labor, etc.?" The only problem I can see is that if you make the illegals legal and they can get citizenship, do you honestly think they are still going to be happy working your fields for less than minimum wage, especially since as a citizen the employers have to pay them minimum wage. The cheap labor won't stay cheap for long. If they are coming here for a better life then they will want more job oppurtunities than just physical labor.

I don't have a problem with the worker program, I understand its purpose. What I have a question about is, I keep reading about people saying "oh, we can't get rid of the illegals, who else is going to work our fields, provide cheap labor, etc.?" The only problem I can see is that if you make the illegals legal and they can get citizenship, do you honestly think they are still going to be happy working your fields for less than minimum wage, especially since as a citizen the employers have to pay them minimum wage. The cheap labor won't stay cheap for long. If they are coming here for a better life then they will want more job oppurtunities than just physical labor.
We have Mexican farm workers that come here on work permits. They come for a few weeks and live on or close to the farm. I don't think they get paid minimum wage though, probably more like $5 an hour (minimum is $8). You're right though. You make them citizens and cheap labor is a thing of the past.

I hope that was a joke because if it isn't it the worst excuse I've heard to date for letting people break the law.

Haha, of course it was a joke. It's actually from a poster I saw a long time ago.

:D