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Creeker
02-03-06, 04:00 AM
Another armed incursion
on U.S.-Mexico border
'It is disgraceful that American citizens live under the threat of a foreign army'

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Posted: February 2, 2006
5:20 p.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

An American law enforcement officer and news crew in Texas have witnessed another armed incursion into the United States by men dressed in Mexican army attire, the second such incident in just two weeks.

As before, several men dressed in Mexican military garb appeared to violate the international boundary, in Hudspeth County, Texas, some 50 miles east of El Paso, local affiliate KFOX-TV reported today. There, the U.S.-Mexico border is separated only by a shallow stretch of Rio Grande River.


The incursion was witnessed by a KFOX news crew and Hudspeth County deputy, photos of which are posted on the affiliate's website.

The deputy and news crew were on the scene Tuesday night to film a segment about last week's incursion, when the law officer noticed more "soldiers" emerge from a clearing on the U.S. side of the border.

As the deputy and news crew watched, three soldiers emerged into the clearing before one hurried back into the concealment of brush, KFOX reported. But the deputy pointed out other, larger groups of soldiers engaged in a flanking action against him and the news crew, most probably, the deputy believes, in an attempt to figure out what they were doing.

"They are doing the classic thing, flanking around each side of us and actually coming up into the U.S. and trying to figure out what we are doing; they are looking at us very heavily," said the deputy, who was not identified in the report.

At that point KFOX reporter Ben Swann asked, "So I guess it's time to go?" and the deputy answered, "Yeah, it would definitely be time to get out of here."

The deputy chose to vacate the area because he was vastly outnumbered and outgunned, the report said.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48636

*** Its is high time for some claymores and our military presence to be felt in this area...


Ironhead
02-03-06, 05:00 AM
What ?!? Is President Fox getting ready to invade ???? :D

matt87
02-03-06, 02:04 PM
Complete and utter bull****. How many times is this going to happen before the politicians take their thumbs out of their ***'s?


Figgy
02-03-06, 02:12 PM
This is freakin outrageous. I think its time we stopped pretending Mexico is a friendly nation. Their government does virtually nothing to stop the flow of drugs across their border and in fact encourages the flow of illegal aliens. When the U.S. starts pretending to do something about illegal immigration Vincente Fox makes veiled threats. I think its time for regime change in Mexico.

DB839282
02-03-06, 02:24 PM
It's because they're saying (Mexican Officials) it's not the military but the drug smugglers in military uniforms.

matt87
02-03-06, 02:31 PM
This is freakin outrageous. I think its time we stopped pretending Mexico is a friendly nation. Their government does virtually nothing to stop the flow of drugs across their border and in fact encourages the flow of illegal aliens. When the U.S. starts pretending to do something about illegal immigration Vincente Fox makes veiled threats. I think its time for regime change in Mexico.
Why would they stop it? Illegals sending money back to Mexico and all the money being sent back to mexico from drugs is their biggest income. It's time we shot these bitches up.

SP_t_will
02-03-06, 04:22 PM
Send me! Send me!


Why would they stop it? Illegals sending money back to Mexico and all the money being sent back to mexico from drugs is their biggest income. It's time we shot these bitches up.

This stuff is getting crazy. How much is enough?:mad:

Clint
02-03-06, 09:09 PM
Send me! Send me!

This stuff is getting crazy. How much is enough?:mad:

Be Patient.... The US Army's 1st Armored Division, is coming to a Border Town "EL-Paso", "SOON"..... Let Fox explain that when the 1st AD, comes out to play..... :eek:

w1zard
02-03-06, 09:17 PM
The president addressed all of this at his state of the union speech, it is on his agenda. Something will be done in time to rid this border issue, don't worry. It's just a question of when and how.

MetPC
02-04-06, 01:05 AM
I think its time for regime changeBecause it's worked so well all the other times:rolleyes:

Welpe
02-04-06, 04:39 AM
Because it's worked so well all the other times:rolleyes:

That darn French Revolution...

MP_Steve
02-04-06, 11:19 AM
Terrorists could bring in WMD and not even get cought... Drug smugglers do it all the time... It could be a very successful operation for terrorists.

I think it's high time we assigned "permanent" US military personnel to the US/Mexican border. Put some MPs down there. Humvees mounted with MK-19s and 240b's... Is it really possee comatatus(?) if we're not policing American citizens? :D

Norm357
02-04-06, 01:13 PM
Is it really possee comatatus(?) if we're not policing American citizens?


Thats actually a very good question. Does anyone know the answer to this?

SP_t_will
02-04-06, 01:26 PM
Terrorists could bring in WMD and not even get cought... Drug smugglers do it all the time... It could be a very successful operation for terrorists.

I think it's high time we assigned "permanent" US military personnel to the US/Mexican border. Put some MPs down there. Humvees mounted with MK-19s and 240b's... Is it really possee comatatus(?) if we're not policing American citizens? :D

6.2.1. This act prevents military personnel from executing the laws of the states or the laws of the United States except when acting under the authority of the US Constitution, an Act of Congress, and under the direction of the President of the United States. Posse Comitatus governs the use of military personnel only within the CONUS.

6.2.2. This act does not prevent:
6.2.2.1. Military authorities from taking action on incidents involving civilian personnel when such action involves a specific military purpose.
6.2.2.2. A military member acting in an unofficial capacity to make a citizen’s arrest or to take other action to preserve the public peace.
6.2.2.3. Security police from using force to stop a fleeing felon or suspected felon for the purpose of aiding civilian law enforcement.

I'd say preventing WMD's from getting into our country is a specific military purpose. We sure have the resources. We need to use them.

Norm357
02-04-06, 01:31 PM
6.2.1. This act prevents military personnel from executing the laws of the states or the laws of the United States except when acting under the authority of the US Constitution, an Act of Congress, and under the direction of the President of the United States. Posse Comitatus governs the use of military personnel only within the CONUS.

6.2.2. This act does not prevent:
6.2.2.1. Military authorities from taking action on incidents involving civilian personnel when such action involves a specific military purpose.
6.2.2.2. A military member acting in an unofficial capacity to make a citizen’s arrest or to take other action to preserve the public peace.
6.2.2.3. Security police from using force to stop a fleeing felon or suspected felon for the purpose of aiding civilian law enforcement.

I'd say preventing WMD's from getting into our country is a specific military purpose. We sure have the resources. We need to use them.

Thanks. Thats interesting.

Valor55
02-04-06, 02:17 PM
Defending our borders against foreign enemies can't possibly cause a problem with Posse Comitatus. If they were riding with local LE and assisting with domestic violence arrests or something like that there would be a very clear problem.

MP_Steve
02-04-06, 06:23 PM
6.2.1. This act prevents military personnel from executing the laws of the states or the laws of the United States except when acting under the authority of the US Constitution, an Act of Congress, and under the direction of the President of the United States. Posse Comitatus governs the use of military personnel only within the CONUS.

6.2.2. This act does not prevent:
6.2.2.1. Military authorities from taking action on incidents involving civilian personnel when such action involves a specific military purpose.
6.2.2.2. A military member acting in an unofficial capacity to make a citizen’s arrest or to take other action to preserve the public peace.
6.2.2.3. Security police from using force to stop a fleeing felon or suspected felon for the purpose of aiding civilian law enforcement.

I'd say preventing WMD's from getting into our country is a specific military purpose. We sure have the resources. We need to use them.



BAM!!!
I sparked some useful information for once! :D

mobrien316
02-04-06, 06:59 PM
Defending our borders against foreign enemies can't possibly cause a problem with Posse Comitatus. If they were riding with local LE and assisting with domestic violence arrests or something like that there would be a very clear problem.
I was thinking the same thing.

Using US military forces to patrol our borders would definitely not fall under the Posse Comitatus Act (http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm).

fedscout
02-05-06, 06:15 PM
God forbid the Mexican gov't and all the left-wingers hear about it. Just like building sections of fencing along the border upsets all these people because it'll make it harder for illegals of whatever country to get in.
Some will argue that the military isn't trained for that type of mission. Maybe so, maybe not. Either way, they can get the training for just that type of mission, just like riot control for Haiti, counter-insurgency ops, etc.
Just my thoughts.

SP_t_will
02-06-06, 04:55 PM
From defending the perimeter of an air base in Afghanistan to defending our own country's perimeter.....it won't be that hard for SP/MP's. LP/OP's (listening post/observation post) spread across the border with fire teams assigned to sectors. It would definitely take a lot of troops though. I would be willing to bet morale would be alot better in defending our own borders than somebody else's country. Also, Use of Force would replace Rules of Engagement.

MP_Steve
02-08-06, 12:14 AM
From defending the perimeter of an air base in Afghanistan to defending our own country's perimeter.....it won't be that hard for SP/MP's. LP/OP's (listening post/observation post) spread across the border with fire teams assigned to sectors. It would definitely take a lot of troops though. I would be willing to bet morale would be alot better in defending our own borders than somebody else's country. Also, Use of Force would replace Rules of Engagement.

HOOAH!!! :D Or is the AF HOO-RAH? :D