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Hello everyone,

I am not a LEO yet, but Ive been preparing for the last 4 years. Part of that preparation has been physical training and martial arts. Ive been doing martial arts for 13 years and the best one I stumbled upon is called "Systema." I know the academy teaches you basic stuff, and I know you may think jui jitsu is top-of-the-line. However, if you want a truly effective martial art, taught to the Spetsnaz (Russian Spec Ops), go for Systema. I am not trying to advertise a specific martial art, or school. The LEO's and military personnel I know recommend this. www.russianmartialart.com

If you havent made up your mind on taking a martial art, or you are looking to expand your horizon, I strongly urge you take up systema.

In the time ive taken the classes, we have covered : knife fighting/disarming, gun disarming/combat rolls with a pistol, ground fighting, submissions and escapes, hand to hand combat/close combat fighting and alot of other really, for lack of a better word, awesome stuff.

Alot of you guys have been a huge help to me on this forum so I thought id give something back. Maybe, it would help with that PCP addict or the knife wielding maniac. Be Safe.

-Kevin

Is that the one where they beat you with a stick until you lose your legs and other lower body extremities?

lol, well yes and no. He tapped us gently with a baton in the back of the legs to keep us from tensing up. it was just an excersise. however, in russia, its more intense and they probably do beat you. I never heard much about that though.

Is that the one where they beat you with a stick until you lose your legs and other lower body extremities?
I don't think he got it.:D

Hey man, being physically capable of doing all this is great, but you have to understand something important when/if you get on with a department. Use the tactics 'they' teach you, and only those tactics unless in a deadly force situation. If you don't you can/will get yourself and your department in a whole lot of trouble.

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of course! I fully intend on listening and following the methods the department teaches me. Even if it goes against my previous training. I am just stating this information in the interest of others who wanted to take a martial art that is truly helpful.

I would not try to judo chop some guy, when I was told to use my baton in a certain situation. Deadly force is of course, another story. I would use whatever it takes to get me out alive. Within reason of course, not trying to be rambo here. Just sayin.

"Within reason"????!!!! Deadly force situations everything gos. I'm not going to the grave because some dumsnit decided he wanted to go home more than me.

Being Rambo normally gets you into trouble. If you're already in trouble because something went terribly wrong, you have to do anything you can to go home. As long as you can justify why you took the actions you did to someone who is probably anti-cop you should be alright.

The good thing though is that the TV version of this job typically never happens. Violent encounters are normally diffused with very little violence on the police side.


Edited to correct errors.

I did find that the training I had in TKD when I was younger did assist in the understanding of the techniques taught in the academy. You'll find the application of force when needed is the same through most of the martial arts. It's all leverage.

I did a little of this in college, it was fricken cool.

I had some training in Systema in the academy, found a teacher in my local area for further training and I fully agree with the O/P.

In my opinion, it is the most effective fighting style I have ever seen. It will get the job done and in the quickest, most effective possible means.

I had the privilege of working with Jim King several times, he's on that website, and in several of the videos.

The training is intense. For example: No pulling punches, or sparring. Their reasoning is if you don't know what it's like to get hit, what will happen, or what will you do, when you're actually struck by someone in a real life situation.

There are no flying-back karate kid style moves! Since when did you see something like that in a life or death fight.

I could go on and on....but I won't, just check out the site.

I thought I'd throw out my experience and thoughts on the matter, but whatever you do, just don't stop training!

Good luck and stay safe out there!

Yes be careful about using those tactics on duty, particularly those not fit for the daily LE grind. Deadly force situations (multiple attackers and such), highly volatile situations, and off-duty ... no holds barred. Good stuff to know when needed.

We had a former SEAL put together a solid program for LE (well actually it was more to the tune of suspect demolition). He taught along with some of his crew. Good stuff but you couldn't use some of it in general situations. :cool:

Its all good.