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I see quite a few posts here regarding people who have been discharged from the military under other than honerable conditions wishing to work in law enforcement. My first suggestion to them would be to try and get an upgrade thru the discharge review board. My second would be assuming youve lived a productive life since your discharge,to petiton the military records correction board and ask for an upgrade based on clemency. My third would be, to simply forget to mention you were in the military period.

My first suggestion would be for you to read the responses to those posts, and see how hard it is to get an upgrade.

My second suggestion would be for you to find another website to hang out on. Forget to mention they were in the military?

oh geez, " find another website to hang out on" grow up . I hate to inform you you but a BI is NOT as bulletproof as youd like to beleive it is .

I have been in the United States Navy for almost twenty years.
Every person that I have known that got an OTH or BCD discharge deserved what they received. Every person that received an adverse discharge that I have been associated with knowingly and willingly moved in that negative direction.

My third would be, to simply forget to mention you were in the military period.

Sage advice, da moose! If you want to be a LEO and have a blemish in your past (like being discharged under less than honorable conditions from the military), lie about it! I mean it's not like LE agencies do background investigations and polygraph/CVSA tests, right?

Telling others to lie is the WORST advice, but I doubt any serious applicant would heed your advice. And yes, intentionally withholding information is the same as fabricating details, it's all still a lie.

oh geez, " find another website to hang out on" grow up pal. I hate to inform you you but a BI isnt as bulletproof as youd like to think it is.

Hey jackass...if you look up to the right of sbrad's posting, you will see that he is a VERIFIED LEO (that's law enforcement officer in case you are unble to figure it out).
Obviously he has gone through some sort of vetting process to get where he is today.....and obviously, you haven't. :rolleyes:

Now go hang out at the "How to Clean and Maintain Fry Grills" thread at the McDonald's employees website.....

Wow what a winner, I think the term we used in the Military works with this guy
"**** Bag". I heard that Burger king is hiring, I dont think they will care about your Military record.

have you ever been in the military? You know for sure everyone who has gotten an OTH deserved it? Hmmmmmm ive seen plenty of 4.0 sailors fall victim to an overzealous division officer. Granted if you were awol or popped on a piss test than you got what you deserved !

you know nothing about me or what i do, i see we have a real mature audience here and you guys are leo's ?

have you ever been in the military? You know for sure everyone who has gotten an OTH deservrd it?

Yeap....sent 10 years active in the Army....and everyone I know that got a OTH was a fatbody, did drugs, sold stuff on the blackmarket, was screwing somebody's old lady, AWOL, stole ****, etc.....

So yes, they deserved what they got because they knew better.....

Yes, Every PRT failure deserved it, every person who went UA deserved it, and every out-of-standards person deserved it. Discharges don't happen overnight. They require numerous DOCUMENTED problems. If the person weren’t a dirt bag, his Chief would step in and take care of the punishment and keep it at his/her level.

is that so? what branch were you in ? the coast guard

you know nothing about me or what i do, i see we have a real mature audience here and you guys are leo's ?

Ahhhh! Another troll has decided to join us. I've reported your post, so hopefully you'll be shown the door before too long.

you know nothing about me

Know enough about you from your first posting that you have no problems with lying about being in the Military because you got a OTH.... :rolleyes:

whatever

is that so? what branch were you in ? the coast guard

If you had read his first post, you would have seen that he has almost 20 years in the US Navy! Obviously the dope must affect your short term memory skills..... :rolleyes:

is that so? what branch were you in ? the coast guard

FYI: the U.S. Coast Guard is a branch of the military.

FYI: the U.S. Coast Guard is a branch of the military.


Too bad Chewy's not around... :D

Too bad Chewy's not around... :D
LOL, just what I was thinking...

Hey Moose....Here's some places that are hiring folks with OTH Discharges.

www.mcdonalds.com
www.burgerking.com
www.tacobell.com
www.jackinthebox.com (In case your on the West Coast)
www.wawa.com (In case your on the East Coast)

look at what we have here, a bunch of testosterone filled knuckleheads that would have you beleive that they are holier than thou, the truth of the matter is i am getting flamed for telling you to lie on your app, some of the the biggest bs artists i know are cop's . They lie day in and day out, just look at the responses to my post, real proffesional huh, and you wonder why we get a bad rap from the public.

look at what we have here, a bunch of testosterone filled knuckleheads that would have you beleive that they are holier than thou, the truth of the matter is i am getting flamed for telling you to lie on your app, some of the the biggest bs artists i know are cop's . They lie day in and day out, just look at the responses to my post, real proffesional huh, and you wonder why we get a bad rap from the public.
And there it is, ya'll.

and you wonder why we get a bad rap from the public.

I think it's safe to state that you are not a LEO. A wannabe? Perhaps, but you're not a cop by any means.

look at what we have here, a bunch of testosterone filled knuckleheads that would have you beleive that they are holier than thou, the truth of the matter is i am getting flamed for telling you to lie on your app, some of the the biggest bs artists i know are cop's . They lie day in and day out, just look at the responses to my post, real proffesional huh, and you wonder why we get a bad rap from the public.

Son....your making my eyes bleed. Grammar and spelling will get you farther in life than rants on a LE Board.....
Go to the links I posted and maybe, just maybe if you can fill out the apps correctly, you will get a job....

I think it's safe to state that you are not a LEO. A wannabe? Perhaps, but you're not a cop by any means.
Could be. I think I saw a video of him pepper spraying a 16 year old drive-thru worker a few minutes ago.

yup im a wanna be alright

how did you know i work at mc donalds?

and you wonder why we get a bad rap from the public.

So....what wonderful department are you going to claim you work for...? :rolleyes:

No LEO that I know would tell someone to openly and blatantly lie on an app......like you did in your first post.... :rolleyes:

Your the idiot...

i work for the mayberry pd

how did you know i work at mc donalds?

Good guess because you can't spell or write for ****. Last time I checked, Micky D's only used checklists.......

whats with the name calling?

i work for the mayberry pd

Are you Barney.....or are you Gomer after he was deputized...?

I bet your Instructors in the military called you Gomer Pyle....didn't they?? :rolleyes:

lol

Go home little boy. You behave like a 6 year old, so we will treat you like one...that means bed by 7:30, and no juice and animal crackers since you've been a bad boy! It looks like little johnny got a hold of dady's computer and found a police web site! Now is the perfect oportunity to yell at all the mean officers for giving daddy a ticket. Wah wah wah!!!!!!! (BTW, LE has no room for liars, ****heads, asshats, etc...you seem to fall into all 3 catagories!) I am so tired of the people like you that come her to try and get a rise out of us. The officers here deal with people like you every day, morons who are clogging up the gene pool. don't like our responses?!?!? go somewhere where someone cares!

the latter of my suggestions was meant to be taken lightheartily, i see we have a bunch of angry people here, no i dont condone lying on your app, would i do it, no do i know people who have and gotten hired, absolutely

the latter of my suggestions was meant to be taken lightheartily, i see we have a bunch of angry people here, no i dont condone lying on your app, would i do it, no do i know people who have and gotten hired, absolutely

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

the latter of my suggestions was meant to be taken lightheartily

Whatever......

i behave like a six year old? maybe you should re - read the posts

the latter of my suggestions was meant to be taken lightheartily, i see we have a bunch of angry people here, no i dont condone lying on your app, would i do it, no do i know people who have and gotten hired, absolutely


the dead trying to save themselves...

i behave like a six year old? maybe you should re red the posts

You certainly spell like one....and use the grammar as a six year old would.... :rolleyes:

what is re red? I don't believe anyone can re red anything.

yea huh? yuo mist be purfict

You certainly spell like one....and use the grammar as a six year old would.... :rolleyes:

I was gonna say that six was a stretch and give him about 8. :D

the latter of my suggestions was meant to be taken lightheartily, i see we have a bunch of angry people here, no i dont condone lying on your app, would i do it, no do i know people who have and gotten hired, absolutely

You don't condone lying on your application, and yet in your first post you suggest just that. Guess what? You're lying right now.

8/ your giving me too much credit here

Wow, four tarts...we're on a roll here guys!

I am guessing we have a 20ish US Navy washout that is pissed off at the world because he's working fast food instead of being a LEO....

What did you get kicked out of the Navy for...? Drugs, don't ask, don't tell, stealing, black marketing??

yes i am gay

In case someone reads this thread wanting some real information I would like to offer up what I have figured out and share my personal experience.

In August of 1990 I joined the delayed entry program for the Navy nuclear program. In August 1991 I shipped out to Orlando FL for basic training. Sometime inbetween 1990 and 1991 I developed a small kidney stone. The docs found this and DQ'd me from the nuclear program. I was given the option to stay in the Navy and pick another field which wouldn't put me on a submarine or told that I could go home. I chose to go home and attend college since I had joined only for the benefits and training of the nuclear program.

I recently applied to a local PD and I had to go research the conditions of my discharge. It turns out that after 1982 they classify any discharge under 180 days as an uncharacterized - entry level seperation. This means that it really neither counts against or for you.

As far as the advice to not mention it: I really feel this is bad advice. During the course of a government BI it will come up that you have been in the military. If you lie and say that you haven't then you will get disqualified. As people have said on this forum over and over again just tell the truth.

I hope this helps those that are/were in a similar situation to me and were curious about the details.

8/ your giving me too much credit here

Indeed he is.

And yes, I take the time to post as I would represent myself in person, because that is ALL anyone on this board knows of me. If my spelling and grammar are good, at least I represent myself like a grown up, not a freakin' toddler. :rolleyes:

this is funny, im pissed off at the world? listen to yourselves, ATTENTION all you wannabe leo's read these posts carefully, these are the assholes you will have to deal with day in and day out!!!

these are the assholes you will have to deal with day in and day out!!!

And you're the type of ******* that we have to deal with everyday......

Attention all wannabe leo's, read da moose's posts...these are the kind of morons you will have to deal with on the road!

the rejection, its killing me

this is funny, im pissed off at the world? listen to yourselves, ATTENTION all you wannabe leo's read these posts carefully, these are the assholes you will have to deal with day in and day out!!!

Well, I'll at least give you the common courtesy of saying, "So long!" as you probably won't be around too much longer.

Chow.

Mommy I Want A Baba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats cool, thanks

the rejection, its killing me

So.....does it take a while to clean the grill....or are you high enough up that you let the 17 year olds do that while your trying to mack on girls...?

maturity at its finest

the grill? please dont insult me, i do the fries!

maturity at its finest

Ah yes....but remember, it takes a real mature one to suggest to LE candidates to lie on background forms..... :rolleyes:


the grill? please dont insult me, i do the fries!

Nice to see you finally got that promotion since you probably didn't make it past E-1 or E-2.....

and name calling is more mature than lying?

im curious where does name calling rank on the list of maturity?

and name calling is more mature than lying?

Yeap....at least I am being honest when I call you an *******, asshat, dumb ***, etc.......

The U.S. military does not give "other than honerable" discharges. If you received one, feel free to disregard it.

Yeap....at least I am being honest when I call you an *******, asshat, dumb ***, etc.......
LMAO!

good one!

The U.S. military does not give "other than honerable" discharges. If you received one, feel free to disregard it.

Umm...yes they do. I have a buddy that has one for being a dumb *** when he was in....

so no one who has received an oth should have the recourse to try and correct it?

does anyone here even know why the discharge review board was formed?

so no one who has received an oth should have the recourse to try and correct it?

Never said that....just said that most LE Agencies will not take you unless you get it upgraded....and then depends on what you did to get it....

yes your right most wont, but some will look at it on a case to case basis

Umm...yes they do. I have a buddy that has one for being a dumb *** when he was in....

That would be an "Other Than Honorable" discharge. :D

That would be an "Other Than Honorable" discharge. :D

Damn you.....I missed on his spelling errors...... :D

its safe to say if you were given the boot for drug use you wont be hired by anyone.

yes your right most wont, but some will look at it on a case to case basis

That is correct...but if you have a person that has an upgraded OTH and someone that was in the miltary and doesn't have one....guess who they are going to hire??

Not the french fry cook.....

thanks for the correction, damn, how did i ever pass the tabe test?

its safe to say if you were given the boot for drug use you wont be hired by anyone.

Pissing hot and getting booted from the military....even if you get it upgraded....you don't have a chance in the world......unless (slight maybe) you were a complete dumb *** and got the first time you smoked MJ. If you used heavy stuff....forget it.

its safe to say if you were given the boot for drug use you wont be hired by anyone.

stating the obvious

thanks for the correction, damn, how did i ever pass the tabe test?

Quite honestly not sure since you can't spell worth a damn and your English grammar skills suck....

that depends, what kind of past history does the the person with the honerable have?

sorry, didnt know i was writing an essay for college, not really paying attention to correct spelling etc.......

that depends, what kind of past history does the the person with the honerable have?

Probably a better one than the person that dropped hot on a pizz test and got booted.....

Let us consult the all mighty expert, da moose!

feel free, im here to answer all your questions

feel free, im here to answer all your questions

So...how did it feel to get moved from the grill to fries?

why is it you seem to think that everyone who has been booted was popped on a piss test?

ahhh man, it was fn great man, cant even put it into words

why is it you seem to think that everyone who has been booted was popped on a piss test?

Your reponse to this thread.....

http://forums.realpolice.net/showpost.php?p=426059&postcount=75

ahhh man, it was fn great man, cant even put it into words

I bet not....wow, I bet you even got to change your Polo Shirt color from grill to fries. Hope you didn't have to pay for that. It would probably cut into your beer and pot fund....

right, but people get the boot every day for bs other than drug use

Hey Moose....Here's some places that are hiring folks with OTH Discharges.

www.mcdonalds.com
www.burgerking.com
www.tacobell.com
www.jackinthebox.com (In case your on the West Coast)
www.wawa.com (In case your on the East Coast)

Bc,

Wawa shouldn't be lumped in with the others. They actually take care of their employees and give them ok wages and excellent benefits.

My nephew started there when he was 17 making $8/hr. It's not a lot of money, but for a kid it's not bad. He left there making $11/hr. just a few years later.

really? maybe its time for a carreer change

right, but people get the boot every day for bs other than drug use

Don't ask, Don't tell?? Perhaps you were Overseas and selling black market items...?? Or were you stealing stuff from the BX?? Or were you a Fatbody and couldn't pass a PT test...??

Bc,

Wawa shouldn't be lumped in with the others. They actually take care of their employees and give them ok wages and excellent benefits.

My nephew started there when he was 17 making $8/hr. It's not a lot of money, but for a kid it's not bad. He left there making $11/hr. just a few years later.

Yep...try UNEMPLOYMENT!

Wow, four tarts...we're on a roll here guys!

Up to five tarts now...

Going once, going twice... :p

Bc,

Wawa shouldn't be lumped in with the others. They actually take care of their employees and give them ok wages and excellent benefits.

My nephew started there when he was 17 making $8/hr. It's not a lot of money, but for a kid it's not bad. He left there making $11/hr. just a few years later.

Good point....I would hate to have him on the backside of the counter when I am out there trying to order a sandwich...... :D

the bx?

the bx?

Base Exchange.....or Navy Exchange for you....

ohhhhhhhh the px

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Thats it for me guys...I'm just gonna grab some popcorn, sit back, and watch the drama unfold...unless of course da moose says something else stupid enough to point out.

Opps....look who's not here to play with us any more....

Hopefully, he will find an exciting career career in the fast food or box store industry......

Just when it was gettin good!

Bye Dennis. Hope you get hired soon.

He's been banned... oh well.

I really cannot believe he posted " dont mention you were in the military" wtf?

Bye Dennis. Hope you get hired soon.

He could always go to an Atlanta Area Quik Trip and be the coffee boy..... :D

He's been banned... oh well.

It happens....he won't be the last. Hell, I am sure at least one more will be banned by tonight...... :D

I find it amusing that Wawa advertises "Free Coffee" as a key benefit.

I find it amusing that Wawa advertises "Free Coffee" as a key benefit.

Maybe they tried "FREE TWINKIES" and everyone got too fat move around behind the counter? :D

Very entertaining thread.. hehehe, Suprised it's gone this long and still not locked.

Maybe they tried "FREE TWINKIES" and everyone got too fat move around behind the counter? :D

If I thought I could get free coffee AND free twinkies I might be down there putting in an application. ;)

If I thought I could get free coffee AND free twinkies I might be down there putting in an application. ;)

Dude, clear out some of your PM space.

Wow...just came back from dinner, and I am surprised the thread isn't locked yet!

I see quite a few posts here regarding people who have been discharged from the military under other than honerable conditions wishing to work in law enforcement. My first suggestion to them would be to try and get an upgrade thru the discharge review board. My second would be assuming youve lived a productive life since your discharge,to petiton the military records correction board and ask for an upgrade based on clemency. My third would be, to simply forget to mention you were in the military period.

Banned already? Well at least I go to send him some negative rep before it happened. :p

Dude, clear out some of your PM space.

Done.

In before the lock

In before the lock

Good job.

Nothing like an illiterate, ex-Navy druggie, current french fry cook at Micky D's to keep everyone happy around here.... :D